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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 14, 2018 1:19:11 GMT
Transfers
- We haggle the hell out of deals like Indi and Sobhi and appear to have missed out on a number of targets.
- We spend silly fees on badly scouted players like Jese, Berahino, Wimmer, Imbula and extend the contract of Johnson.
Manager Search
- We make an ambitious bid to get in a bright young manager in on a 5 year 17 million deal offering him a substantial amount for transfers. Then the deal allegedly falls through because he isn't happy with us cutting his wages if we go down.
- We try to get in a 65 year old manager who hasn't managed at club level for nearly 10 years on a 5 month contract. Who knows what funds we'll give him.
It's certainly very confusing. I guess in the next 2 weeks we'll get to find out whether the board are ambitious or not in relation to trying to keep us up.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2018 1:20:28 GMT
Everything is fine, dunna worry.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Jan 14, 2018 2:28:49 GMT
I hope we haven't been concentrating TOO much on this botched managerial deal, and forgotten that our on-field squad needs urgent attention? I'm pleased we've brought in the new R/B (relatively quickly and without drama); but there are many more holes that need to be plugged, too I guess we MIGHT be 'hanging fire' until the new Manager is appointed, so he can have some input into new starters? I hope so  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 4:17:29 GMT
Thought it's something like, spend as little as possible each year and hope to god that there are 3 worse teams than us.
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Post by Silkystoke on Jan 14, 2018 7:20:10 GMT
How many Plans do we have..... normally just A, I can’t remember a Plan B for ages now so I’m getting a little concerned...!!!!!
I’ll wait for the next 2 weeks before I start pissing my pants with worry.....
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Post by adamsson on Jan 14, 2018 7:28:30 GMT
Really I think the plan is
Championship
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Post by malteser68 on Jan 14, 2018 7:33:36 GMT
Strategy ?
What strategy ?!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 14, 2018 7:34:46 GMT
Really I think the plan is Championship You genuinely think the plan is to take us into the Championship? Or you think our strategy is so shit (or non existent) that it will take us into the Championship. Two very different things albeit with a similar outcome. |
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Post by pottermouth on Jan 14, 2018 7:55:51 GMT
Transfers - We haggle the hell out of deals like Indi and Sobhi and appear to have missed out on a number of targets. - We spend silly fees on badly scouted players like Jese, Berahino, Wimmer, Imbula and extend the contract of Johnson. Manager Search - We make an ambitious bid to get in a bright young manager in on a 5 year 17 million deal offering him a substantial amount for transfers. Then the deal allegedly falls through because he isn't happy with us cutting his wages if we go down. - We try to get in a 65 year old manager who hasn't managed at club level for nearly 10 years on a 5 month contract. Who knows what funds we'll give him. It's certainly very confusing. I guess in the next 2 weeks we'll get to find out whether the board are ambitious or not in relation to trying to keep us up. There’s an excellent article about the subject in the Irish Independent. c.newsnow.co.uk/A/919347559?-1880:991:0To sum up, the Board was split on the direction of travel. Younger Coates wants a fresh approach hence the offer to the Espanyol coach. Mr Coates senior, wants MON, but the younger pretender won out. MON looks to have said no on Friday. Imho, MON will not come : He’s a man of his word; He won’t like being second choice. The confusion this all sends out is mind boggling. There appears no succession planning and a lack of coherent strategy. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 14, 2018 8:07:56 GMT
Transfers - We haggle the hell out of deals like Indi and Sobhi and appear to have missed out on a number of targets. - We spend silly fees on badly scouted players like Jese, Berahino, Wimmer, Imbula and extend the contract of Johnson. Manager Search - We make an ambitious bid to get in a bright young manager in on a 5 year 17 million deal offering him a substantial amount for transfers. Then the deal allegedly falls through because he isn't happy with us cutting his wages if we go down. - We try to get in a 65 year old manager who hasn't managed at club level for nearly 10 years on a 5 month contract. Who knows what funds we'll give him. It's certainly very confusing. I guess in the next 2 weeks we'll get to find out whether the board are ambitious or not in relation to trying to keep us up. There’s an excellent article about the subject in the Irish Independent. c.newsnow.co.uk/A/919347559?-1880:991:0To sum up, the Board was split on the direction of travel. Younger Coates wants a fresh approach hence the offer to the Espanyol coach. Mr Coates senior, wants MON, but the younger pretender won out. MON looks to have said no on Friday. Imho, MON will not come : He’s a man of his word; He won’t like being second choice. The confusion this all sends out is mind boggling. There appears no succession planning and a lack of coherent strategy. It does appear to have the Stoke City stamp on it doesn't it? Totally crack handed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 8:09:49 GMT
There’s a strategy?
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Post by blackpoolred on Jan 14, 2018 8:16:38 GMT
Transfers - We haggle the hell out of deals like Indi and Sobhi and appear to have missed out on a number of targets. - We spend silly fees on badly scouted players like Jese, Berahino, Wimmer, Imbula and extend the contract of Johnson. Manager Search - We make an ambitious bid to get in a bright young manager in on a 5 year 17 million deal offering him a substantial amount for transfers. Then the deal allegedly falls through because he isn't happy with us cutting his wages if we go down. - We try to get in a 65 year old manager who hasn't managed at club level for nearly 10 years on a 5 month contract. Who knows what funds we'll give him. It's certainly very confusing. I guess in the next 2 weeks we'll get to find out whether the board are ambitious or not in relation to trying to keep us up. Can't help you with our transfers it is a weird as feck and nobody understands it. Lot of money in the game and lot's of backhanders going on everywhere I should imagine, the Wilmer signing probably made a few people a bit richer(the fee we paid for him was unfathomable) - Stoke probably no different from any other club in terms of a bit corruption amongst agents, players and managers Regarding our manager choice I think it is a bit more black & white: Unless they are stupid they know we are pretty well fecked and that relegation is more likely to happen than not with the current crop of players and with how late they left things. So they wanted a good forward thinking manager who would be able to rebuild the team from scratch and get us straight back up should the unthinkable happen. MON is an old school PC choice that nobody likes in the boardroom apart from PC(possibly not even him). They are going to see if he can manage to keep us up although they don't have the greatest of confidence in him - why would anyone when he has not managed in prem for years. If he does manage to help us avoid the drop they will evaluate whether they want to continue with his services or not and whether they like the direction the club is going in with him at the helm(the type signings and football we are playing etc). If we go down then he will definitely be gone. Florence looked at the money and thought great and then did his homework on the squad and thought they are shite and the likelihood is I will not get any of my bonuses what the feck am I thinking, had a panic attack and did a quick u-turn, MON may see this as his last chance to get involved with day-to-day football in the top flight, but ain't thick and if he does his homework he too will more than likely pass this one up. At this stage the job won't go to someone with obvious talent but more likely somebody desperate to have a crack at top-flight management no matter how shite the tools are they have at their disposal. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 14, 2018 8:21:46 GMT
It really is a great strategy,if they want us playing in the Championship.
But if their plan is for us to stay in the Premiership,someone else besides Hughes needs to collect their P45.
For a Premiership club,it would seem we are been run by a bunch of fuckwits who haven't a clue.
Hughes paid the price,but Coates,Scholes and Hoss are equally to blame.
Peter Coates needs to do a few things to save his club.
Sack Scholes and Hoss,hand over the running of the club to his Son,or sell up.
Stoke City are in one hell of a mess and to carry on with no changes at the top,will see this club playing in the Championship or even lower for years to come.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jan 14, 2018 8:26:47 GMT
Really I think the plan is .. Championship You genuinely think the plan is to take us into the Championship? Or you think our strategy is so shit (or non existent) that it will take us into the Championship. Two very different things albeit with a similar outcome. Bloated wage bill, best parachute payments ever, deadwood clear out, Renaissance? Hell of a gamble? Was that the Burnley strategy? Polar opposite to the Snowflake QSF strategy? |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 14, 2018 8:32:11 GMT
Transfers - We haggle the hell out of deals like Indi and Sobhi and appear to have missed out on a number of targets. - We spend silly fees on badly scouted players like Jese, Berahino, Wimmer, Imbula and extend the contract of Johnson. Manager Search - We make an ambitious bid to get in a bright young manager in on a 5 year 17 million deal offering him a substantial amount for transfers. Then the deal allegedly falls through because he isn't happy with us cutting his wages if we go down. - We try to get in a 65 year old manager who hasn't managed at club level for nearly 10 years on a 5 month contract. Who knows what funds we'll give him. It's certainly very confusing. I guess in the next 2 weeks we'll get to find out whether the board are ambitious or not in relation to trying to keep us up. Can't help you with our transfers it is a weird as feck and nobody understands it. Lot of money in the game and lot's of backhanders going on everywhere I should imagine, the Wilmer signing probably made a few people a bit richer(the fee we paid for him was unfathomable) - Stoke probably no different from any other club in terms of a bit corruption amongst agents, players and managers Regarding our manager choice I think it is a bit more black & white: Unless they are stupid they know we are pretty well fecked and that relegation is more likely to happen than not with the current crop of players and with how late they left things. So they wanted a good forward thinking manager who would be able to rebuild the team from scratch and get us straight back up should the unthinkable happen. MON is an old school PC choice that nobody likes in the boardroom apart from PC(possibly not even him). They are going to see if he can manage to keep us up although they don't have the greatest of confidence in him - why would anyone when he has not managed in prem for years. If he does manage to help us avoid the drop they will evaluate whether they want to continue with his services or not and whether they like the direction the club is going in with him at the helm(the type signings and football we are playing etc). If we go down then he will definitely be gone. Florence looked at the money and thought great and then did his homework on the squad and thought they are shite and the likelihood is I will not get any of my bonuses what the feck am I thinking, had a panic attack and did a quick u-turn, MON may see this as his last chance to get involved with day-to-day football in the top flight, but ain't thick and if he does his homework he too will more than likely pass this one up. At this stage the job won't go to someone with obvious talent but more likely somebody desperate to have a crack at top-flight management no matter how shite the tools are they have at their disposal. Is that based on any inside knowledge or is it all your own work. |
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Post by robrigo on Jan 14, 2018 8:38:16 GMT
I was busy fitting a bathroom yesterday. Would anyone tell me what’s going on?
Our potential new messiah has turned us down and is staying in Spain and therefore is not a potential messiah anymore.
We have gone cap in hand to our potential new messiah in MON and his mad assistant who turned us down also but we are now scrabbling around to convince him otherwise.
Is that about right?
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 14, 2018 8:42:25 GMT
The annual financial returns will show that Stoke is a well run business. It is around break even each year, something few other if any other club achieves. We are therefore probably the only club in step. Chelsea owes its owner around £300m as an example.
Now take the average season ticket holder if there is such a thing. More than 20,000 fans pay out to watch 19 games per season( this is Stoke so we can ignore cup games) on top of this there is the cost on the day including the optional cost of the pie and pint, or equivalent. Added up over the year this is a substantial slice of the annual income assuming the national average wage for most fans. When we are 9th a cost for a hobby worth paying but not so happy when we are 18th
Now examine what Peter and John Coates pay for their hobby of owning Stoke. Practically all the income is from TV money and commercial deals. Bet365 own Stoke so in proportion to their income do Peter and John contribute the same for their hobby as the average season ticket holder. It would seem not, they want their hobby to pay for itself which seems unfair.
Perhaps I am wrong and missed something but if I am right then every season ticket holder is more than entitled to suggest that the club is not being run as it should, that is as a football club which inevitably loses money as seen by all the other clubs, but as an albeit finacially sound business, which is going nowhere in football terms
Sorry for the rant but there is so much glorification on here of the Coates that I thought it time to put forward an alternative perspective
Happy to be proved wrong
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Post by adamsson on Jan 14, 2018 8:45:00 GMT
Really I think the plan is Championship You genuinely think the plan is to take us into the Championship? Or you think our strategy is so shit (or non existent) that it will take us into the Championship. Two very different things albeit with a similar outcome. Bit of both the club is being badly run, but it has been noted that we have a major rebuilding job to stay in the premiership, we need 8 or 9 new first 11 players who would cost a fortune to buy and want a fortune in wages. Playing in championship would mean less income but less outgoings as well, they might have decided that it is the cheaper more sustainable option. Think of the positives more local derbies (may be not against Derby but Shrewsbury  ), no queuing for the toilet or a half time pie. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 14, 2018 8:50:49 GMT
You genuinely think the plan is to take us into the Championship? Or you think our strategy is so shit (or non existent) that it will take us into the Championship. Two very different things albeit with a similar outcome. Bit of both the club is being badly run, but it has been noted that we have a major rebuilding job to stay in the premiership, we need 8 or 9 new first 11 players who would cost a fortune to buy and want a fortune in wages. Playing in championship would mean less income but less outgoings as well, they might have decided that it is the cheaper more sustainable option. Think of the positives more local derbies (may be not against Derby but Shrewsbury ), no queuing for the toilet or a half time pie. Incompetence I can buy but deliberately planning for the Championship is just fantasy land. If nothing else the massive reduction in the Sky revenue would be catastrophic for the Coates family meaning they'd have to start stumping up their own money again or sell up at a vastly reduced sum. |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 14, 2018 8:53:10 GMT
We don't need 8 or 9 first team players at all. I'd say 3/4.
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Post by sutekh on Jan 14, 2018 8:54:34 GMT
Dunna worry too much about it.
Next season our home gates will be about 13,000,the club will have lost around £100m in tv rights but we can all console ourselves with the fact that the club were prudent enough to cautiously insert a financial penalty clause into the contract of qsf
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Post by stokemark on Jan 14, 2018 9:57:50 GMT
Dunna worry too much about it. Next season our home gates will be about 13,000,the club will have lost around £100m in tv rights but we can all console ourselves with the fact that the club were prudent enough to cautiously insert a financial penalty clause into the contract of qsf You couldn't make it up could you |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 14, 2018 9:59:08 GMT
“What’s all the fuss about”
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jan 14, 2018 10:06:19 GMT
Dunna worry too much about it. Next season our home gates will be about 13,000,the club will have lost around £100m in tv rights but we can all console ourselves with the fact that the club were prudent enough to cautiously insert a financial penalty clause into the contract of qsf So the reason the QSF deal floundered was that we wanted some poxy clause to reduce his wages if we got relegated - fucking hell fire Stoke. |
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Post by rawli on Jan 14, 2018 10:21:14 GMT
The strategy is self sufficiency. It needs youth coming through and cheap foreign imports coming good. Basically do what Southampton do. It worked with Arnautovic and that's it. I'm convinced we bought Imbula and Shaqiri to do the same and it's failed.
It's a good strategy if it works.
It's not worked and the owners have realised too late.
We are now scrabbling around because of it.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 14, 2018 10:29:43 GMT
According to the Sentinal Flores was due to be on 60k a week and the sticking point was we wanted to slash his wage if we went down. So the key to the future being offered a 5 year deal with a huge warchest goes west because we're not prepared to trust him if we go down. No wonder he walked on the deal.
How much are we paying Imbula and Berahino again. What about the new deal for Johnson?
If true an unbelievable decision by the board.
Never mind looks like we're being linked to Paul Lambert now.
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Post by rawli on Jan 14, 2018 10:33:42 GMT
According to the Sentinal Flores was due to be on 60k a week and the sticking point was we wanted to slash his wage if we went down. So the key to the future being offered a 5 year deal with a huge warchest goes west because we're not prepared to trust him if we go down. No wonder he walked on the deal. How much are we paying Imbula and Berahino again. What about the new deal for Johnson? If true an unbelievable decision by the board. Never mind looks like we're being linked to Paul Gallagher now. It's our tragedy that our number 1 fan is rich beyond his wildest dreams but also tight as a gnat's chuff. |
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Post by milky on Jan 14, 2018 10:48:43 GMT
I think they've taken a massive gamble on short term older experienced players (cheap ) a few big signings (mostly failed ) and the cheap options from abroad (mixed )while praying that the Academy would somehow produce half a dozen youngsters ready for the first team at the same time (deluded ).
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Jan 14, 2018 10:49:01 GMT
We haven't got a strategy. Simple as that. The board were entirely happy sticking their collective heads in the sand until last week. Peter Coates said on 14th December that he "didn't know what all the fuss was about"
Fast forward a month and we're without a manager, managers turning us down, the transfer window nearing it's end and no real viable candidates who want to take the plunge in our current predicament.
Of course, if Hughes had gone in the summer (when anyone with an ounce of common sense knew he should, the writing had been on the wall long before even then), we'd have had managers queuing up for a crack at a stable, supposedly well-run mid table premier league club with a bit of money to spend.
Coates' loyalty to Hughes was widely praised in the media. To us, we knew it was incredibly misguided.
We're deep in the brown stuff and it's all of the board's own making.
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Post by samba :) on Jan 14, 2018 10:52:50 GMT
We need players to keep us in the league. I know we dont have one right now but Sacking your manager in january is ludicrous so surely the "transfer team" have more control than we think and would be sorting us out by signig some players and turning us into a team that could potentially survive?
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), no queuing for the toilet or a half time pie. 
