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Post by exhool64 on Jan 13, 2018 19:39:03 GMT
Just shows you how fragile life in the prem is when you are not top 6. 2 years ago we were flying and in 2 years time we could be back to 15,000 loyals and a half empty ground. Can't understand why a club with owners as rich as ours have let us get into this position and believe me this is their mess as much as it is Marks. Coates went from villain to hero and is in danger of going back to villain. I'm sure most Stokies appreciate what he has done for the club second time around but he is in danger of going back to villain again by allowing us to disintegrate in front of his eyes. He goes to games. He has seen how guess we are currently as a team ! Young hungry manager and players and rebuild.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 13, 2018 19:41:20 GMT
That was the right thing to do and(and hopefully the other two as well!)got nothing to do with the position we're in!  |
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Post by exhool64 on Jan 13, 2018 19:41:40 GMT
Meant poor not guess
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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 13, 2018 19:46:40 GMT
You can use an edit tool, I’m always having to. |
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Post by salopian on Jan 13, 2018 19:58:46 GMT
The new corner was the right thing even if 2 years or 20 years late in putting in place. But on the pitch he most certainly has been blind on what was happening, what the team consisted of and how much needed spending on it if he wants to keep Stoke in the Premier league. Also certainly regards the bigger 3 signings he should of hit the roof regards the wasted £50m on mediocre and someone not doing their research. The mess just seems to snow ball!!!
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Jan 13, 2018 20:00:01 GMT
Just shows you how fragile life in the prem is when you are not top 6. 2 years ago we were flying and in 2 years time we could be back to 15,000 loyals and a half empty ground. Can't understand why a club with owners as rich as ours have let us get into this position and believe me this is their mess as much as it is Marks. Coates went from villain to hero and is in danger of going back to villain. I'm sure most Stokies appreciate what he has done for the club second time around but he is in danger of going back to villain again by allowing us to disintegrate in front of his eyes. He goes to games. He has seen how guess we are currently as a team ! Young hungry manager and players and rebuild. At least I'd stand a better chance of getting my kids seats by me and my old man. Every cloud.... |
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Post by skemstokie on Jan 13, 2018 20:04:52 GMT
The fact that life in the Prem is fragile is perhaps the reason why Coates does not lavish the club with shed loads of HIS money, every season approx 15% of prem clubs will be relegated no matter what money is lavished on them,the top six clubs are much richer than Stoke will ever be even if the Coates family released all their wealth on Stoke. Bigger gates,higher ticket prices,more T.V. money, higher place finish money etc.nobody can surely expect them to make up the shortfall in money between us and the big boys,the rest are all potential relegation candidates with luck playing a big part,being able to play a settled side is worth at least 10 points per season,goals disallowed, players loss of form,referee decision`s going against a club all make a big impact i am sure Peter Coates will be as upset as any supporter with our situation but as i say 3 clubs will be relegated out of a group of 14 clubs.
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Post by forwhatitsworth on Jan 13, 2018 20:13:36 GMT
Coates has ploughed enough in! He is not a Sheikh. Bet365 is rich but its a fucking business. The Oil rich tycoons are cash rich thus why they invest so much. Your expectations are being mis-managed by a league where money rules. It is not realistic for someone just to say here's a couple of hundred million out my own pocket for you to spunk! The system is corrupt, unbalanced and not fair nor compatible with competitive sport. Look at the NFL model - anybody can win (unless you're the Cleveland Browns). Coates has done what he can and maybe even invested more than he and his family should of. The only thing he is guilty of is being naïve enough to allow that incompetent fool Scholes and the rest of his board manage the club he loves and trust Coates loves this club. The club needs to spend wiser and make better business decisions. We are where we are because the manager lost his way and the board allowed him too and mi-managed the Coates families money.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 20:17:06 GMT
Should have been done sooner. Same with sacking Hughes.
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Post by exhool64 on Jan 13, 2018 20:22:09 GMT
Don't expect to compete Year in year out with the big hitters but the family are rich enough to keep us comfortably in the prem was my point. Occasionally you get a great season ala Leicester and to a lesser degree Southampton on a couple of occasions !
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Post by skemstokie on Jan 13, 2018 20:29:16 GMT
Don't expect to compete Year in year out with the big hitters but the family are rich enough to keep us comfortably in the prem was my point. Occasionally you get a great season ala Leicester and to a lesser degree Southampton on a couple of occasions ! You should be grateful the families money got us in the prem in the first place.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 20:30:59 GMT
Just shows you how fragile life in the prem is when you are not top 6. 2 years ago we were flying and in 2 years time we could be back to 15,000 loyals and a half empty ground. Can't understand why a club with owners as rich as ours have let us get into this position and believe me this is their mess as much as it is Marks. Coates went from villain to hero and is in danger of going back to villain. I'm sure most Stokies appreciate what he has done for the club second time around but he is in danger of going back to villain again by allowing us to disintegrate in front of his eyes. He goes to games. He has seen how guess we are currently as a team ! Young hungry manager and players and rebuild.[? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 22:01:45 GMT
Edited out my own words on the previous response.Perhaps for the best I did
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Jan 13, 2018 23:52:00 GMT
If O'Neil and that thug get the job, we could afford to knock down one of the main stands and build a car park!
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Post by Gods on Jan 13, 2018 23:53:31 GMT
Each to his own but I don't want anyone filling in all the corners of my arse than you very much  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 23:57:06 GMT
Those pesky corners, making us shit.  |
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Post by starkiller on Jan 14, 2018 0:05:59 GMT
He knows how fickle our support is.
Before our current premier league spell, our last spell in the top flight was 70s/early 80s.
Cue the return of 70s song 'oh when the reds'.
The supporters who brought that dirge back will fuck off the instant we're relegated, except for the odd big cup game of course. Just like they did before.
Comments about Derby's support are true.
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Post by samba :) on Jan 14, 2018 0:07:12 GMT
Don't expect to compete Year in year out with the big hitters but the family are rich enough to keep us comfortably in the prem was my point. Occasionally you get a great season ala Leicester and to a lesser degree Southampton on a couple of occasions ! You should be grateful the families money got us in the prem in the first place. Erm :/ |
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 14, 2018 0:12:07 GMT
The day we got promoted Leicester fans were crying in the stands as they got relegated yet they come back and win the fucking Prem and are in far better shape than us. whats happened?
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 14, 2018 1:41:51 GMT
There are clearly people to blame for the mess the club is now in and it is true the buck ultimately stops with the Chairman.
But if we are looking for root cause of why we are in the situation we are today, surely we have to start with Imbula, Berahino, and lastly Wimmer. Huge amounts of money spent on players who for whatever reason have not performed. In Berahino's case the issue is compounded by the fact we spent 3 transfer windows chasing after him.
It's hardly the Chairman's fault, unless you are very vindictive* and say Wimmer was his fault because he should have axed the people responsible for the earlier mistakes.
* I appreciate a lot of Oatcake posters think Hughes should have been removed last summer. I was at a dinner tonight a heard someone expressing the view the club were mad to let Hughes go; he has the support of the players and would eventually have turn things round. I said I agreed with that view up until the West Ham defeat, and changed my mind and decided enough was enough; but tonight I don't know what to think.
There are not just problems with the recruitment side of the business, clearly there is a major problem in the basics such as how to defend and the quality of the passing. Why someone at the club cannot train/coach a bunch of quality players how to defend is beyond me. I do believe Ryan, Zouma, Indi, and Peiters are quality players in their proper roles.
The OP points out how fragile things are and how they can change. The flip side is they can quickly change for the better as has been demonstrated at rival clubs who were struggling in the early months of the season. Earlier today I posted that the Geordies were jubilant about winning 2 games on the trot, they are not so jubilant tonight, and brassed off at the inability to beat Swansea.
Coates has been let down by the people he has employed, just as Hughes has been let down by the players, but we the fans need to be sure we don't let the club down by not giving the support that is needed if it is to get out of the mess we are in. Whoever gets appointed to the manager's job must be given 100% support by everyone.
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