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Post by kustokie on Feb 1, 2018 13:50:40 GMT
No gloves, good first impression!
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Post by dave77 on Feb 1, 2018 13:52:24 GMT
Very good signing with him and Joe Allen we will have a very energetic midfield. Excactly what I like to see. Cant wait to see him play for us! Im telling you this is a suberb signing.
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Post by lordb on Feb 1, 2018 13:52:46 GMT
I've asked this before and got nowhere (the stock answer is simply "we should've put a sell on clause in the deal"), but give me an example of a Premier League club selling a player in their late-20's with 12 months left on their contract and securing a sell on clause. Surely it's not impossible if the player's price is significantly undervalued. This is certainly the case as Sevilla rate him at at least 35m. He has been decent for Sevilla but not spectacular so it's hard to justify such an increase in value in a short time unless his price from Stoke was undervalued. It's all about negotiation and we are not good at it that's for sure and I am convinced we didn't get anywhere near the best deal for arguably our best player don't forget the market ballooned the year after he left what was £5m in 2015 is £15m (or more) now
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Post by kustokie on Feb 1, 2018 13:52:52 GMT
I've asked this before and got nowhere (the stock answer is simply "we should've put a sell on clause in the deal"), but give me an example of a Premier League club selling a player in their late-20's with 12 months left on their contract and securing a sell on clause. Surely it's not impossible if the player's price is significantly undervalued. This is certainly the case as Sevilla rate him at at least 35m. He has been decent for Sevilla but not spectacular so it's hard to justify such an increase in value in a short time unless his price from Stoke was undervalued. It's all about negotiation and we are not good at it that's for sure and I am convinced we didn't get anywhere near the best deal for arguably our best player Not this again! A player’s value is related to a) how good he is and b) the time left on his contract.
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Post by Davef on Feb 1, 2018 13:55:57 GMT
I've asked this before and got nowhere (the stock answer is simply "we should've put a sell on clause in the deal"), but give me an example of a Premier League club selling a player in their late-20's with 12 months left on their contract and securing a sell on clause. Surely it's not impossible if the player's price is significantly undervalued. This is certainly the case as Sevilla rate him at at least 35m. He has been decent for Sevilla but not spectacular so it's hard to justify such an increase in value in a short time unless his price from Stoke was undervalued. It's all about negotiation and we are not good at it that's for sure and I am convinced we didn't get anywhere near the best deal for arguably our best player Do you have an example of a PL club who've insisted on a sell on clause in similar instances to those of Begovic and N'zonzi though? In the great scheme of things for clubs at our level it's not that important. Sell on clauses are more to help lower league clubs whose players rise through the ranks, like the Vale with Hugill.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 1, 2018 13:57:11 GMT
I would have let him go on a free tbh for the pittance we got and that was always my stance. I take it you mean let him run his contract down & let him go on a free (i.e. a year later than when he actually left)? However the issue with that is you can only do that if said player is still going to 'put a shift in' Nzonzi would surely have downed tools Why? He had threatened to leave the season before and had his best season. I really don't think he would have done as he would have been playing for the best move and most money he could get.
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Post by burystokie on Feb 1, 2018 14:00:42 GMT
Surely it's not impossible if the player's price is significantly undervalued. This is certainly the case as Sevilla rate him at at least 35m. He has been decent for Sevilla but not spectacular so it's hard to justify such an increase in value in a short time unless his price from Stoke was undervalued. It's all about negotiation and we are not good at it that's for sure and I am convinced we didn't get anywhere near the best deal for arguably our best player Not this again! A player’s value is related to a) how good he is and b) the time left on his contract. It's not even that is it. A player's value, just as with the value of any other commodity in the world, is based entirely on the price that someone else is prepared to pay for it. If there's only one interested buyer and that buyer knows they could potentially get the same commodity for free in a year's time then the seller is not exactly in a great position to dictate terms. Though even then it's still not relevant to an incredibly insignificant clause making up part of the fee for Stoke's most recent signing.
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 1, 2018 14:02:30 GMT
Was surprised to see him at HT, hadn't checked up on the t'internet, I presume the work permit is all sorted then ? Yes it is sorted and to be honest under the latest rules (awarding "points" for salary, transfer fee etc.) it would have been very odd if he hadn't qualified as he only failed to qualify automatically by a few points. The bizarre thing for me is the weird immigration rules which meant that he arrived for his medical on a visitors' visa but then had to fly back to France (by private jet?) whilst the club appealed for the work permit. That is bloody stupid and a waste of money, time and a loss of dignity. I suppose it is some comfort that even millionaires have to go through the same stupid system that the average worker has to go through but quite why the work permit appeal couldn't happen whilst he was still in the UK on a visitors' visa escapes me. As a work permit holder in various countries around the world for some time now, this seems a general, albeit stupid, rule. When in the BVI, I had to take a ferry across to the USVI to then come back in on my work permit!
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 1, 2018 14:03:30 GMT
No gloves, good first impression! The lad played in northern Norway before Turkey - the Bet 365 must have felt positively balmy in comparison!
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Post by burystokie on Feb 1, 2018 14:13:04 GMT
That's fair enough and it's a perfectly reasonable point of view. Hopefully you would have stood by that and not still been criticising the club years later for getting absolutely nothing for one of its best players, as you are for simply not getting more than they did. However, I didn't say there'd be at least as much criticism from you, I said there'd be at least as much criticism on this message board and I'm sure you're more than intelligent enough to know that would absolutely have been the case. Basically, the club can't win in these situations because people will always moan no matter what they do, but if it makes you happy to just assume everything they do is down to incompetence then go for it.
By the way, I assume your obsession with the lack of a sell-on fee is because you think Stoke are missing out financially, otherwise it's just bizarre. On that basis and if you think we'd have been better off having him play for us for a further 12 months then leave on a free transfer - essentially as if we'd paid an £8m loan fee for him - how do you work that out as being better for us? Do you really think we'd have finished so much higher in the league that we'd have got £8m more in merit payments...?
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 1, 2018 15:15:20 GMT
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Post by nott1 on Feb 1, 2018 17:08:05 GMT
Surely it's not impossible if the player's price is significantly undervalued. This is certainly the case as Sevilla rate him at at least 35m. He has been decent for Sevilla but not spectacular so it's hard to justify such an increase in value in a short time unless his price from Stoke was undervalued. It's all about negotiation and we are not good at it that's for sure and I am convinced we didn't get anywhere near the best deal for arguably our best player Not this again! A player’s value is related to a) how good he is and b) the time left on his contract. Not only that, what the feck has it got to do with any of us, it's not our money?
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Post by marshy on Feb 1, 2018 17:19:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 17:21:15 GMT
BojanMackey dislikes this greatly......
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Post by alster on Feb 1, 2018 17:27:44 GMT
I would have let him go on a free tbh for the pittance we got and that was always my stance. I take it you mean let him run his contract down & let him go on a free (i.e. a year later than when he actually left)? However the issue with that is you can only do that if said player is still going to 'put a shift in' Nzonzi would surely have downed tools Strange that he asked to leave every Summer but didn't down tools what brings you to the conclusion he would have on this occasion?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 17:40:52 GMT
BojanMackey dislikes this greatly...... Starts with a B and has the same number of letters. Spooky.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 1, 2018 17:45:38 GMT
Oh no no no no no fucking NO.
What the fuck am I witnessing?!
Badou OUT
Utter shithouse, worst signing we’ve ever made.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 17:49:42 GMT
I'm guessing it's cause he shares a birthday with me, 27th October
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Post by Fredrikstad Norway on Feb 1, 2018 17:54:53 GMT
Badou have the potential to be our best signing ever in Premier League.
He was awarded the best player in Norway the last year he played there. I`m sure he has been regarded as one of the best in Turkey also.
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Feb 1, 2018 18:19:01 GMT
Forgive me if it's been put in the thread somewhere but how long has Ndiaye signed for.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2018 18:20:00 GMT
Forgive me if it's been put in the thread somewhere but how long has Ndiaye signed for. 4.5 years
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Feb 1, 2018 18:20:38 GMT
Forgive me if it's been put in the thread somewhere but how long has Ndiaye signed for. Until he gets bored. Or we sell him.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 1, 2018 18:21:12 GMT
Forgive me if it's been put in the thread somewhere but how long has Ndiaye signed for. 4.5 years 4.5 years too long, get rid. Now.
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Post by vahl on Feb 1, 2018 18:28:51 GMT
Badou have the potential to be our best signing ever in Premier League. He was awarded the best player in Norway the last year he played there. I`m sure he has been regarded as one of the best in Turkey also. I am quietly confident about seeing him play. There is more than enough evidence to suggest he could be a great success in England and as someone has already alluded to, I have seen multiple people (mostly from Turkey) rate him in the £30-40m player bracket. That's easily done with today's insane transfer fees but I know the Norwegians & Turks know their football and they have definitely seen him play a lot more than any of us.
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Post by kustokie on Feb 1, 2018 18:36:22 GMT
No gloves, good first impression! The lad played in northern Norway before Turkey - the Bet 365 must have felt positively balmy in comparison! Good point. We dunner want any more of them nesh buggers.
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Post by lordb on Feb 1, 2018 18:50:58 GMT
One of these opinions must be wrong
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Post by lordb on Feb 1, 2018 18:52:52 GMT
I take it you mean let him run his contract down & let him go on a free (i.e. a year later than when he actually left)? However the issue with that is you can only do that if said player is still going to 'put a shift in' Nzonzi would surely have downed tools Strange that he asked to leave every Summer but didn't down tools what brings you to the conclusion he would have on this occasion? I thought he did down tools under Pulis re contact dispute. Ok he didn't actually refuse to play but his application and form dropped right off.
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Post by alster on Feb 1, 2018 19:07:32 GMT
Strange that he asked to leave every Summer but didn't down tools what brings you to the conclusion he would have on this occasion? I thought he did down tools under Pulis re contact dispute. Ok he didn't actually refuse to play but his application and form dropped right off. Horse shit he was as reliable as the day is long sometimes frustrating in not being ambitious enough in his play but always head and shoulders above anything else in the centre of our midfield probably since Hudson's second stint. Sublime footballer who had the height, physicality and aggression to mix it with anyone. A player like Arnautovic who whilst they may sometimes piss you off for whatever reason when you are talking about a package of attributes they leave very few boxes unticked.
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Post by malteser68 on Feb 1, 2018 19:11:56 GMT
Was speaking to a Turkish friend of mine today who supports Galatasaray
I asked him about Badou, if he's any good
He told me he is very good, an engine, never stops, very similar to Kante and also has great technical abilities
All sounds very good and promising
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 1, 2018 19:16:54 GMT
I've always wanted us to have a player to whom I could give the nickname Withnail. I forsee Withnail Ndiaye becoming a Stoke legend. So he'll do for me.
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