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Post by knowingeye on Jan 8, 2018 9:33:58 GMT
First English VAR game this evening Brighton v Crystal Palace.
Good or bad?
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Post by thegift on Jan 8, 2018 9:35:10 GMT
Good. Lets see how its used. Hopefully its a fiesty game
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Post by raythesailor on Jan 8, 2018 10:25:31 GMT
Depends on how it is used and implemented.
The Referee in the middle must remain the ultimate boss.
Team coaches (Wenger comes to mind) must not be allowed to call for or demand VAR decisions for every incident. The VAR monitor should be away from the touchline up in the media suite or somewhere so that they can make reasoned descisions without outside pressure.
One of the great things about football is that many descisions are often an opinion and that is down to the Referee. It will then also give the pundits and us on here something to discuss and debate.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 8, 2018 10:36:23 GMT
First English VAR game this evening Brighton v Crystal Palace. Good or bad? Is that what it stands for then? I thought it was Video Assistant Referee.
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Post by thegift on Jan 8, 2018 10:37:22 GMT
First English VAR game this evening Brighton v Crystal Palace. Good or bad? Is that what it stands for then? I thought it was Video Assistant Referee. It is?
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Post by Veritas on Jan 8, 2018 10:38:26 GMT
I have been a long time opponent of video reviews for football because of the delay factor and the risk of referees sending too many decisions for review, look at rugby for evidence of both. However I do now feel technology has advanced enough for an off pitch assistant referee to be able to look at incidents and notify the ref of any issues without stopping the game. Obvious examples would be the Lampard goal in the 2010 world cup and the Henry handball in the game against Ireland. What certainly should not happen is stopping the game or allowing teams to be able to demand a review.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 8, 2018 10:39:09 GMT
Is that what it stands for then? I thought it was Video Assistant Referee. It is? Whatever it is, if Zaha plays, the rewind button will be worn out at the end of 90 minutes.
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Post by Ygor on Jan 8, 2018 10:40:56 GMT
If used properly, it should reduce the number of incorrect decisions significantly. But as has been said, so much depends on how it is used and implemented.
That said, I don't think VAR would have helped one iota with last nights penalty decision at Nottingham Forest where Arsenal were claiming a double kick had taken place. With VAR, I'm assuming the ruling on the field will stand if there is no clear evidence with the VAR to reverse it.
Overall though, surely a step in the right direction?
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Post by terryesticles on Jan 8, 2018 10:44:16 GMT
There are too many travesties of justice to not consider video reviews, but I agree that there is a danger of slowing down the game too much. Maybe each manager should only be allowed one or two challenges per game, works fairly well in the tennis.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 8, 2018 10:44:27 GMT
It's been here in the Aleague this season. It's rubbish.
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Post by walton corner on Jan 8, 2018 13:07:20 GMT
It will be used none stop ...just look at games over last few days ..Evertons goal at Liverpool will be viewed as a Liverpool player was possibly fouled on the build up to goal ...arsenal yesterday the awarding of the penalty and then the taking of the penalty ...infact 90% or more penalty decisions will be challenged and like a previous poster said you may not get the right answer still ...I would like to be only the referee decides to use it if he is unsure about a decision .......I would also like them microphoned up too and sound only to be used when they are using var ..
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Post by wrighter on Jan 8, 2018 13:15:19 GMT
Why cant they use it like they do in cricket ? You get 3 reviews, once they have been used, thats yer lot
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Post by lordb on Jan 8, 2018 13:22:58 GMT
VAR was completely farcical in the international games last summer however don't know how it's going down in Italy (I think it's Italy) where it's been trialed this season
However there is only one way to find out if it works or not
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 8, 2018 13:23:42 GMT
It will be used none stop ...just look at games over last few days ..Evertons goal at Liverpool will be viewed as a Liverpool player was possibly fouled on the build up to goal ...arsenal yesterday the awarding of the penalty and then the taking of the penalty ...infact 90% or more penalty decisions will be challenged and like a previous poster said you may not get the right answer still ...I would like to be only the referee decides to use it if he is unsure about a decision .......I would also like them microphoned up too and sound only to be used when they are using var .. Penalties will not be challenged - they will be automatically reviewed and so they should. Having watched a lot of rugby, I find it actually adds to the excitement. A writhing pile of bodies slides over the try line. The VAR is shown on the big screen....... the tension builds ...... you think you see the ball was knocked loose before being dotted down....... the crowd cheers/groans....... the VAR looks at it 3 more times....... the ref holds his finger to his ear......... no try....... the roar that goes up is almost as if your team had scored. I guess it depends if you simply want to get through the game so you can go home, or if you see each match as a drama playing out in front of you. Absolutely agree VAR should not be on sideline. If anything, no more than 1 team initiated challenge allowed per half. If the players contest a decision, first one counts as your teams challenge, subsequent offenses automatic yellow card. That alone would probably speed up the game!
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Post by simple on Jan 8, 2018 13:49:26 GMT
This will ruin football,comerical department will be looking into selling breaks in the game.The big screen will go now to the video ref sponsored by *****.We argue on decisions on here after viewing them on TV using 20 different angles.So again it will be personal choice,they will not go against the onfield ref unless it’s so wrong.Who will challenge the decision,when will they look at a decision.
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Post by simple on Jan 8, 2018 13:50:52 GMT
It will be used none stop ...just look at games over last few days ..Evertons goal at Liverpool will be viewed as a Liverpool player was possibly fouled on the build up to goal ...arsenal yesterday the awarding of the penalty and then the taking of the penalty ...infact 90% or more penalty decisions will be challenged and like a previous poster said you may not get the right answer still ...I would like to be only the referee decides to use it if he is unsure about a decision .......I would also like them microphoned up too and sound only to be used when they are using var .. Penalties will not be challenged - they will be automatically reviewed and so they should. Having watched a lot of rugby, I find it actually adds to the excitement. A writhing pile of bodies slides over the try line. The VAR is shown on the big screen....... the tension builds ...... you think you see the ball was knocked loose before being dotted down....... the crowd cheers/groans....... the VAR looks at it 3 more times....... the ref holds his finger to his ear......... no try....... the roar that goes up is almost as if your team had scored. I guess it depends if you simply want to get through the game so you can go home, or if you see each match as a drama playing out in front of you. Absolutely agree VAR should not be on sideline. If anything, no more than 1 team initiated challenge allowed per half. If the players contest a decision, first one counts as your teams challenge, subsequent offenses automatic yellow card. That alone would probably speed up the game!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 8, 2018 13:52:32 GMT
I don't like it.
I've watched some Serie A games this season and you generally have no idea what's going on re VAR.
It's use seems so ad hoc. In the games I've seen decisions generally have taken too long to make and the whole process seems farcical.
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Post by simple on Jan 8, 2018 13:52:51 GMT
I was at the rugby international against Australia the video ref took 15min to make a decision and not the right one.
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Post by skemstokie on Jan 8, 2018 18:14:46 GMT
I don't like it. I've watched some Serie A games this season and you generally have no idea what's going on re VAR. It's use seems so ad hoc. In the games I've seen decisions generally have taken too long to make and the whole process seems farcical. How about a a flashing symbol of a t.v. on big screen when a incident is being reviewed? ( By the reviewing team)
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jan 8, 2018 18:15:45 GMT
Bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 18:50:18 GMT
It's been here in the Aleague this season. It's rubbish. Do you get as many cheating, diving ass wipe maad arses in the A League Joe?
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 8, 2018 21:57:35 GMT
I was at the rugby international against Australia the video ref took 15min to make a decision and not the right one. Oh c'mon, you timed it did you? I have never seen a decision take more than 2-3 minutes in the most difficult cases. And it was still entertaining!
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Post by adi on Jan 8, 2018 22:02:12 GMT
I have been a long time opponent of video reviews for football because of the delay factor and the risk of referees sending too many decisions for review, look at rugby for evidence of both. However I do now feel technology has advanced enough for an off pitch assistant referee to be able to look at incidents and notify the ref of any issues without stopping the game. Obvious examples would be the Lampard goal in the 2010 world cup and the Henry handball in the game against Ireland. What certainly should not happen is stopping the game or allowing teams to be able to demand a review. Wouldn’t it have been nice tho to have lanzini dive overruled! And Fellaini attacking Ryan. The list goes on. I’m all for it and agree that every contentious decision should be reviewed within seconds and goal overruled/fouls given. Dives punished and off the ball shennanigans sorted. Balls to the debate with donut pundits the talk should be about great football not deceitful snide footballers cheating to win.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 8, 2018 22:05:54 GMT
I have been a long time opponent of video reviews for football because of the delay factor and the risk of referees sending too many decisions for review, look at rugby for evidence of both. However I do now feel technology has advanced enough for an off pitch assistant referee to be able to look at incidents and notify the ref of any issues without stopping the game. Obvious examples would be the Lampard goal in the 2010 world cup and the Henry handball in the game against Ireland. What certainly should not happen is stopping the game or allowing teams to be able to demand a review. Wouldn’t it have been nice tho to have lanzini dive overruled! And Fellaini attacking Ryan. The list goes on. I’m all for it and agree that every contentious decision should be reviewed within seconds and goal overruled/fouls given. Dives punished and off the ball shennanigans sorted. Balls to the debate with donut pundits the talk should be about great football not deceitful snide footballers cheating to win. or whether I have to hear a sponsors name as they announce a VAR decision.
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Post by adi on Jan 8, 2018 22:07:24 GMT
Wouldn’t it have been nice tho to have lanzini dive overruled! And Fellaini attacking Ryan. The list goes on. I’m all for it and agree that every contentious decision should be reviewed within seconds and goal overruled/fouls given. Dives punished and off the ball shennanigans sorted. Balls to the debate with donut pundits the talk should be about great football not deceitful snide footballers cheating to win. or whether I have to hear a sponsors name as they announce a VAR decision. Surely not, this isn’t America!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 22:10:28 GMT
Agreed. Fuck it right off for me.
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Post by chad on Jan 8, 2018 22:19:48 GMT
Yet one more nail in the coffin of real football
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 8, 2018 22:50:56 GMT
Refs are part of the game - they make mistakes, just like the players. It turns a real game into a video game - and all it does is shift the controversy to smaller and smaller scales. At the ground the games will slow down, pissing off the spectators - but then its all about the tv punters - those actually at the ground don't count. Effectively the refs and the spectators just become decoration in a tv program.
I like the mistakes - its part of the fun. And I like the fact that its the people in the ground that are the point of the game - not the sofa jockeys.
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Post by adi on Jan 8, 2018 22:55:03 GMT
Yet when a decision goes against us we moan, and when we get a shit ref we moan, and when technology is there to level the playing field against big club bias people moan... in a few years when VAR etc. is established hopefully the fickle moaning will cease.
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Post by madmickthe3rd on Jan 9, 2018 7:58:35 GMT
First use of VAR at a competitive match last night BHA V Palace. Glen Murray bundles one it near the end for the winner. Replayed on VAR and goal given. I have watched it a couple of times and still not convinced it didn't glance off his arm. All my BHA fan mates say no chance it was legit but then they would wouldn't they! Thoughts? Video via the link below. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42531682
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