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Post by bangorstokie on Jan 7, 2018 12:24:02 GMT
For whatever reasons, I don't think Shawcross is the player he was. My honest opinion is that he was maybe given the captaincy to prevent him moving on. There seems to be no leadership on the field but having said that how can a captain who has been performing well under par, go around bollocking players to get their act together. As to who should be given the armband, I really don't know. I can't see any candidates amongst the players we have and maybe we need to bring in a player with true leadership credentials. Here's hoping.
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Post by ravey123 on Jan 7, 2018 12:28:50 GMT
For whatever reasons, I don't think Shawcross is the player he was. My honest opinion is that he was maybe given the captaincy to prevent him moving on. There seems to be no leadership on the field but having said that how can a captain who has been performing well under par, go around bollocking players to get their act together. As to who should be given the armband, I really don't know. I can't see any candidates amongst the players we have and maybe we need to bring in a player with true leadership credentials. Here's hoping. One of the most noticeable things about this team is the distinct lack of leaders and especially talkers on the field.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 12:32:04 GMT
No.
NEXT.
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Post by steewee on Jan 7, 2018 12:35:01 GMT
Yes.
NEXT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 12:35:25 GMT
He’s never been a good captain.
His head is the first to drop when the opposition score. He’s never been a leader, Huth, Faye, Higgy were the leaders and Whelan to an extent.
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Post by bangorstokie on Jan 7, 2018 12:35:53 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 7, 2018 12:37:38 GMT
We don’t have a natural leader who’s good enough to be in the first 11. Ryan rather than trying to get some fight just puts his head down and doesn’t communicate. I would go with Adam as CK ub captain. Fletcher would be excellent as a skipper but has been shocking lately so leaves us with Jack for me. Or even better get someone in.
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Post by staffordpotter78 on Jan 7, 2018 12:38:03 GMT
Absolutely not, he does a lot more organising on the pitch than most realise.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 7, 2018 12:38:37 GMT
We need more natural leaders in the squad like Walters and Whelan were. When you’ve got those leaders in your squad it doesn’t matter who wears the armband really, that’s insignificant. Ryan definitely isn’t a leader though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 12:39:09 GMT
Absolutely not, he does a lot more organising on the pitch than most realise. Can’t even organise himself.
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Post by JetBlack on Jan 7, 2018 12:41:12 GMT
It's a shame Adam is overlooked for this position. He was constantly telling the other players where to position themselves against Newcastle. Ryan, for me, is too quiet and doesn't seem to organise the team in any way when they're on the pitch. Perhaps give Fletcher a go if Adam isn't a regular on the pitch, with Allen as his vice..
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Post by staffordpotter78 on Jan 7, 2018 12:41:51 GMT
Absolutely not, he does a lot more organising on the pitch than most realise. Can’t even organise himself. We'll agree to disagree, having seen the respect he commands when I've met the squad at CW as my son plays for the academy. I can assure you he's very much the leader
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 12:42:11 GMT
My reasons are that he's a fine captain and when fit is one of our most important players. There's far more to captaincy than shouting at people on the pitch too. He does organise, he communicates from the back and pushes forward himself to lift the crowd on occasion. There have been many quotes where Ryan stays late after training to do more, he's worked with young Souttar for extra drills. He breeds that work ethic. Also, to bring back an old example from Hughes' first pre season... Hughes hooked Nzonzi after 45 mins, and he stormed off to the changing room. Hughes was going to go and tear his head off, but Ryan took him to one side and explained how best to work with Nzonzi. Hughes took the advice, changed his approach. Nzonzi went on to be our best player for the next 2 years. It's stuff like that you don't see with shouting and clapping on the pitch. So no, I don't think we need a new captain to be honest. I think we need a back 4, a fit captain and a settled side with a clear system and plan.
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Jan 7, 2018 12:44:03 GMT
We definitely DO
The games where Fletch was captain at the begining if the season we looked better organised and there was leadership.
Against, West Ham I spent the last 5 minutes down the front on the steps behind the goal. To grab a closer look at what was going on and what I saw was embarassing. We hhad put it a shit poor performabce. We just goy calved open again and Ryan was standing on the edge of the 6yard box half arsed clapping. Not motivating not bollocking that was left for Butland and (I think it was Adam) to do. Shawcross looked lost. Looked a 16 yesr old making his first appearance in a mans game.
Hes not one of our best 2 CBs either so probably shouldnt be playing when Zoum and BMI are fit
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 7, 2018 12:45:39 GMT
Possibly but not because he’s always been a ‘shit captain’ as many people seem to want you to believe.
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Post by robboleek on Jan 7, 2018 12:47:58 GMT
If Adam was a first team regular starter it would be a no brainer !
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jan 7, 2018 13:15:49 GMT
I suspect that Charlie Adam will feature for us a lot more than he did under Hughes. Given his position and desire to win, he would be my choice as captain. His enthusiasm to win 50/50 balls would also hopefully increase the other's commitment. For me, he's a natural leader.
I'm not trying to take anything away from Ryan, I just feel that he would be better focussing on his game letting someone else have the responsibility of the captain's armband.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 7, 2018 13:25:52 GMT
I suspect that Charlie Adam will feature for us a lot more than he did under Hughes. Given his position and desire to win, he would be my choice as captain. His enthusiasm to win 50/50 balls would also hopefully increase the other's commitment. For me, he's a natural leader. I'm not trying to take anything away from Ryan, I just feel that he would be better focussing on his game letting someone else have the responsibility of the captain's armband. Admire your optimism, but when Charlie Adam is one of our better players in games it's usually because the others have been so bad, not neccesarily because he's been any good. And his work off the ball is not worth talking about. He was at fault for Newcastle's goal.
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Post by boothenboys1863 on Jan 7, 2018 13:26:47 GMT
Yes!! I said this earlier on in the season and got slated for it!
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Post by Fred Merger on Jan 7, 2018 13:28:52 GMT
This is something that I have felt needed addressing before now. And of the players we have available to us, for me Joe Allen is the most obvious candidate.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 7, 2018 13:30:01 GMT
Not this shit again.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 7, 2018 13:33:03 GMT
Yes yes and yes!!!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 7, 2018 13:33:41 GMT
He's not my idea of what a good captain should be.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 13:36:18 GMT
Charlie if he was fit enough to last a full game, or Joe Allen.
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Post by retired1 on Jan 7, 2018 14:08:50 GMT
Absolutely not, he does a lot more organising on the pitch than most realise. And look how disorganized the team have been. A new captain/strong leader is required. I think RS has had his day as captain.
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Post by Linx on Jan 7, 2018 15:19:06 GMT
Just a thought..... With Shawcross out injured during the managerial changeover, might he actually be deposed as captain and lose his guaranteed place on the teamsheet? Like many, I have been a bit concerned that Ryan has never been the same player since his back operation. The new man might bring in a reliable CH, and promote another senior player as captain.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 15:29:31 GMT
Can’t even organise himself. We'll agree to disagree, having seen the respect he commands when I've met the squad at CW as my son plays for the academy. I can assure you he's very much the leader Well just look where he's lead us. Head goes down EVERY time we go behind NEVER seen him rally the troops Not even sure he's good enough to command a starting position . Nice young man is what he comes across as, shy and reclusive ...not the qualities of a leader though.
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Post by mermaidsal on Jan 7, 2018 16:07:03 GMT
I'm torn about this. Ryan has been a cracking skipper for a long time and this latest injury isn't a bad one. Tough call for the new manager but I'd keep him as captain till the end of the season. He has such pride in us being a Prem club, he's been right at the heart of it since the promotion season and that's now unique, no-one has more motivation to keep us up.
If not, and looking to the future anyhow, if Jack doesn't move on this window I'd be bold and go for a keeper-captain. He's our best leader on the pitch, it's been done beore and worked.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 16:07:05 GMT
No...thats part of the problem, the leaders have gone...shawcross leads, but he needs a strong defence with him
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 16:21:16 GMT
No...thats part of the problem, the leaders have gone...shawcross leads, but he needs a strong defence with him Shawcross can’t organise his own defence nevermind the players in front of him, he is a long way from the international player we all hoped he could become. A solid PL brick wall style CB at his best, but the game has moved on and he has been a shadow of the player he was 3-5 years ago before his injury troubles. He has also never been vocal enough on and off the pitch to be a captain.
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