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Post by ashleyscfc on Jan 4, 2018 0:07:56 GMT
In Hughes first three summer windows he signed: Arnautovic Pieters Ireland Muniesa Diouf Bojan Bardsley Sidwell Wollscheid Shaqiri Joselu Haugaard Given Johnson Ginkel In three summer windows we’ve still got 2 players who are actually first team players. That plain and simple is why we are going down. And if you think that rests purely and Hughes head you are missing the point. We have a recruitment department that quite clearly incompetent and not up to the task and/or funds that are not suitable. This is the same group of people who since 2012 bought us Maurice Edu, Brek Shea and the Juan Agudelo fiasco. (America being Cartwrights main set of contacts in the game along with Butland (he was his agent)) The same people who chased Berahino for 3 windows knowing he doesn’t suit how we play. Or the same people who would of filed reports justifying Wimmers value and didn’t do their homework on Imbula. The same people who replaced an ageing, slow midfielder with another or didn’t do the proper background checks on Jese. Or the same people who thought Haugard should play in the premier league?! Scholes, Cartwright and the transfer team have proven since Carto came in from 2012 to be not up to it. We have all the evidence we need. Look at our pitiful list of truly successful signing: Pieters - Scouted under pulis Butland - Carto used to be his agent Arnautovic - Hughes had been tracking him Allen - Hughes scouted him direct from the Euros Shaqiri and Indi you could probably just about add to that list but our hit rate isn’t even close to half. And how many of them would get into a top 10 side every week in the premier league? Even then we had the Indi farce. I may be wrong but I believe our hand was forced into three at the back as the Indi signing cock up meant we had wimmer, zouma and Indi so had to accommodate them all hence we struggled again for so long. Add the farce of selling and not replacing Nzonzi for so little. One of the highest distance covered and successful pass completions in the league in an ageing side, it’s was a ticking clock. Then we have been one of the lowest scorers in the league consistently since we got in the prem and the board somehow refused to spend the relevant money for an adequate striker. We’ve known this for years though and yet done nothing. The facts were there and we all know, don’t have the ability to score and if you defence gets worse you’re stuck. Why do you think the team gets to down after conceding first? They know they have nobody who can put the ball in the back of the net regularly. This was never ever addressed. Combine this with the fact we are some of the leagues lowest spenders in the league: 13/14: Spending 17th - Finished 9th 14/15: Spending 20th - Finished 9th 15/16: Spending 16th - Finished 9th 16/17: Spending 20th - Finished 13th 17:18: Spending 20th - Currently 17th This has not happened in a vacuum is has happened by design. Through incompetency and inadequacy from the club management. We need a manager and club management who have a proven successful track record in the top 10 of the league. In comparison, see how Moyes did it at Everton and tell me you have any confidence we do anything anywhere near as competent behind the scenes? Tell me you’ve seen any evidence we behave a remotely methodical and professional way? For a club that says it deserves to be in the top 10 in the league: www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/scouting-system-that-reveals-david-moyes-mind-8756011.htmlWe are still, light years away. And they have the gaul to tell us how great they’ve been after 10 years. We all saw this coming at least last summer if not earlier. We need to make this message known on radio stoke, talk sport, 5 live. Whoever will listen. The board need to be put under immense pressure, they will not be the ones losing their jobs it will be local people at the club and associated businesses. They have failed in their jobs, completely. Take the last few days, Tuesday fans expected him to go. There was heresay and rumour and stories being changed from “he’s definitely staying” to “he might be staying” to “we are looking at options but there’s no good ones”. What?! Who is doing their homework on possible managers. Where is the list of 10 managers all the time we could be interested in? The noises from the club have made things worse! There has been no “official statement”, it appears he’s staying then he needs to be backed to the hilt and publicly. What player would come to the club knowing the manager is so close to going? Why would the players who are here play for him thinking the same? And we clearly need new players! It would of been better to say nothing. The incompetence is staggering For what it’s worth I’d love it if Hughes was able to build a dynasty here. Same with Tone. I don’t want us to be like everyone else hiring and firing. I want a successful academy (the rotating door of academy director is a again another issue!) Ive just seem no evidence to suggest the structures at the club are suitable. It feels as though the chairman and club management have been a combination of naive and let down by those around them at the same time and it’s horrible to see. We need track record people right through the club ASAP. If Hughes goes and the back room staff go we will need around 10ish new staff from coaches to the u23 academy manager. Yes we’ve been in the league for 10 years, we are the only side outside the top 6 and Everton that has remained over that period! But where is the evidence of this? On and off the pitch? We have punched above our weight but not in an over achieving way, in some ways it feels more like fluke. This has happened on their watch, by their design and should be made to suffer. We should be calling for them to go Saturday and make it loud so it can’t be ignored. Whether hughes stays or goes. Things at top must change.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 4, 2018 0:11:59 GMT
Allen isn't a successful signing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 0:15:05 GMT
Did you say a "loud" message or was it a "long" message?.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 0:17:43 GMT
You are Mark Hughes agent?
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Post by armitagestokie on Jan 4, 2018 0:33:54 GMT
Ashley a sensible post with which I totally, much better than some of the 6th form comments made on here. I agree the backroom/background staff need to be cleared out, if hughes was going a worthwhile club would have an assistant capable of standing in for the interim, but no we have Mark Bowen and Eddie Niedzwiecki incapable assistants.Mark Hughes once described his coaching team to Sportsmail as 'the most qualified in the Premier League'. They are modern, forward-thinking and ambitious.What a crock of shit.
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Post by Ygor on Jan 4, 2018 0:34:18 GMT
In Hughes first three summer windows he signed: Arnautovic Pieters Ireland Muniesa Diouf Bojan Bardsley Sidwell Wollscheid Shaqiri Joselu Haugaard Given Johnson Ginkel In three summer windows we’ve still got 2 players who are actually first team players. That plain and simple is why we are going down. And if you think that rests purely and Hughes head you are missing the point. We have a recruitment department that quite clearly incompetent and not up to the task and/or funds that are not suitable. This is the same group of people who since 2012 bought us Maurice Edu, Brek Shea and the Juan Agudelo fiasco. (America being Cartwrights main set of contacts in the game along with Butland (he was his agent)) The same people who chased Berahino for 3 windows knowing he doesn’t suit how we play. Or the same people who would of filed reports justifying Wimmers value and didn’t do their homework on Imbula. The same people who replaced an ageing, slow midfielder with another or didn’t do the proper background checks on Jese. Or the same people who thought Haugard should play in the premier league?! Scholes, Cartwright and the transfer team have proven since Carto came in from 2012 to be not up to it. We have all the evidence we need. Look at our pitiful list of truly successful signing: Pieters - Scouted under pulis Butland - Carto used to be his agent Arnautovic - Hughes had been tracking him Allen - Hughes scouted him direct from the Euros Shaqiri and Indi you could probably just about add to that list but our hit rate isn’t even close to half. And how many of them would get into a top 10 side every week in the premier league? Even then we had the Indi farce. I may be wrong but I believe our hand was forced into three at the back as the Indi signing cock up meant we had wimmer, zouma and Indi so had to accommodate them all hence we struggled again for so long. Add the farce of selling and not replacing Nzonzi for so little. One of the highest distance covered and successful pass completions in the league in an ageing side, it’s was a ticking clock. Then we have been one of the lowest scorers in the league consistently since we got in the prem and the board somehow refused to spend the relevant money for an adequate striker. We’ve known this for years though and yet done nothing. The facts were there and we all know, don’t have the ability to score and if you defence gets worse you’re stuck. Why do you think the team gets to down after conceding first? They know they have nobody who can put the ball in the back of the net regularly. This was never ever addressed. Combine this with the fact we are some of the leagues lowest spenders in the league: 13/14: Spending 17th - Finished 9th 14/15: Spending 20th - Finished 9th 15/16: Spending 16th - Finished 9th 16/17: Spending 20th - Finished 13th 17:18: Spending 20th - Currently 17th This has not happened in a vacuum is has happened by design. Through incompetency and inadequacy from the club management. We need a manager and club management who have a proven successful track record in the top 10 of the league. In comparison, see how Moyes did it at Everton and tell me you have any confidence we do anything anywhere near as competent behind the scenes? Tell me you’ve seen any evidence we behave a remotely methodical and professional way? For a club that says it deserves to be in the top 10 in the league: www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/scouting-system-that-reveals-david-moyes-mind-8756011.htmlWe are still, light years away. And they have the gaul to tell us how great they’ve been after 10 years. We all saw this coming at least last summer if not earlier. We need to make this message known on radio stoke, talk sport, 5 live. Whoever will listen. The board need to be put under immense pressure, they will not be the ones losing their jobs it will be local people at the club and associated businesses. They have failed in their jobs, completely. Take the last few days, Tuesday fans expected him to go. There was heresay and rumour and stories being changed from “he’s definitely staying” to “he might be staying” to “we are looking at options but there’s no good ones”. What?! Who is doing their homework on possible managers. Where is the list of 10 managers all the time we could be interested in? The noises from the club have made things worse! There has been no “official statement”, it appears he’s staying then he needs to be backed to the hilt and publicly. What player would come to the club knowing the manager is so close to going? Why would the players who are here play for him thinking the same? And we clearly need new players! It would of been better to say nothing. The incompetence is staggering This has happened on their watch, by their design and should be made to suffer. We should be calling for them to go Saturday and make it loud so it can’t be ignored. Whether hughes stays or goes. Things at top must change. After I read this I first thought, how true - gross incompetence by the management. Then I had an even worse thought - so incompetent, could it be deliberate? Because how could anyone get it so wrong?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 4, 2018 0:35:38 GMT
In Hughes first three summer windows he signed: Arnautovic Pieters Ireland Muniesa Diouf Bojan Bardsley Sidwell Wollscheid Shaqiri Joselu Haugaard Given Johnson Ginkel In three summer windows we’ve still got 2 players who are actually first team players. That plain and simple is why we are going down. And if you think that rests purely and Hughes head you are missing the point. We have a recruitment department that quite clearly incompetent and not up to the task and/or funds that are not suitable. This is the same group of people who since 2012 bought us Maurice Edu, Brek Shea and the Juan Agudelo fiasco. (America being Cartwrights main set of contacts in the game along with Butland (he was his agent)) The same people who chased Berahino for 3 windows knowing he doesn’t suit how we play. Or the same people who would of filed reports justifying Wimmers value and didn’t do their homework on Imbula. The same people who replaced an ageing, slow midfielder with another or didn’t do the proper background checks on Jese. Or the same people who thought Haugard should play in the premier league?! Scholes, Cartwright and the transfer team have proven since Carto came in from 2012 to be not up to it. We have all the evidence we need. Look at our pitiful list of truly successful signing: Pieters - Scouted under pulis Butland - Carto used to be his agent Arnautovic - Hughes had been tracking him Allen - Hughes scouted him direct from the Euros Shaqiri and Indi you could probably just about add to that list but our hit rate isn’t even close to half. And how many of them would get into a top 10 side every week in the premier league? Even then we had the Indi farce. I may be wrong but I believe our hand was forced into three at the back as the Indi signing cock up meant we had wimmer, zouma and Indi so had to accommodate them all hence we struggled again for so long. Add the farce of selling and not replacing Nzonzi for so little. One of the highest distance covered and successful pass completions in the league in an ageing side, it’s was a ticking clock. Then we have been one of the lowest scorers in the league consistently since we got in the prem and the board somehow refused to spend the relevant money for an adequate striker. We’ve known this for years though and yet done nothing. The facts were there and we all know, don’t have the ability to score and if you defence gets worse you’re stuck. Why do you think the team gets to down after conceding first? They know they have nobody who can put the ball in the back of the net regularly. This was never ever addressed. Combine this with the fact we are some of the leagues lowest spenders in the league: 13/14: Spending 17th - Finished 9th 14/15: Spending 20th - Finished 9th 15/16: Spending 16th - Finished 9th 16/17: Spending 20th - Finished 13th 17:18: Spending 20th - Currently 17th This has not happened in a vacuum is has happened by design. Through incompetency and inadequacy from the club management. We need a manager and club management who have a proven successful track record in the top 10 of the league. In comparison, see how Moyes did it at Everton and tell me you have any confidence we do anything anywhere near as competent behind the scenes? Tell me you’ve seen any evidence we behave a remotely methodical and professional way? For a club that says it deserves to be in the top 10 in the league: www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/scouting-system-that-reveals-david-moyes-mind-8756011.htmlWe are still, light years away. And they have the gaul to tell us how great they’ve been after 10 years. We all saw this coming at least last summer if not earlier. We need to make this message known on radio stoke, talk sport, 5 live. Whoever will listen. The board need to be put under immense pressure, they will not be the ones losing their jobs it will be local people at the club and associated businesses. They have failed in their jobs, completely. Take the last few days, Tuesday fans expected him to go. There was heresay and rumour and stories being changed from “he’s definitely staying” to “he might be staying” to “we are looking at options but there’s no good ones”. What?! Who is doing their homework on possible managers. Where is the list of 10 managers all the time we could be interested in? The noises from the club have made things worse! There has been no “official statement”, it appears he’s staying then he needs to be backed to the hilt and publicly. What player would come to the club knowing the manager is so close to going? Why would the players who are here play for him thinking the same? And we clearly need new players! It would of been better to say nothing. The incompetence is staggering This has happened on their watch, by their design and should be made to suffer. We should be calling for them to go Saturday and make it loud so it can’t be ignored. Whether hughes stays or goes. Things at top must change. After I read this I first thought, how true - gross incompetence by the management. Then I had an even worse thought - so incompetent, could it be deliberate? Because how could anyone get it so wrong? Easy....complacency The club wreaks of it.
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Post by armitagestokie on Jan 4, 2018 0:37:21 GMT
Bowen's famous quote before the Chelsea game :“We go in with a game plan, we will work hard, and we firmly believe we can get something out of the game.”
This guy is a bigger joke than inept Hughes.
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Post by pottarius on Jan 4, 2018 0:47:21 GMT
Another well laid out OP I was tempted to say we're fast becoming a joke, but in reality we're like a train-crash in slow-motion since May 2015 when a fluke of results left us 9th again and glossed-over the fact we'd actually been poor since the start of the year. Keeping Hughes then was a mistake I feel, but understandable based on the final table perhaps, surely those in charge would have looked with alarm at the sudden change in football style & also the fluctuation in results. Keeping him last summer was a stupid decision. I struggle for any suitable adjective to describe keeping him still after such an embarrasing run At the moment the board is getting an easy ride I think from the fans at the games. If they suddenly change tack to shout down the board and especially Coates then I think Hughes would be out of the door far sooner (John or Denise I'm sure would force this through rather than expose PC to the scenes similar to those after the Brum game)
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 4, 2018 0:54:21 GMT
Certainly a lot of information in that post......... worryingly true as far as I'm concerned. Added to Denise's quote about self sufficiency and raising profits it's clear that the mind set in and around the club is one of ' let's just make do '. You have to spend sufficiently to stay still in this league and that appears to have gone unrecognised somewhere along the line ...... you also have to spend wisely and be led by people with clear foresight. None of these things appear to have been happening for too long and it shows. The mess we're in right now may be unsolvable but action is required none the less....... this situation was avoidable because it was so obviously occurring for so long. That's what's so difficult to understand.
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Post by FrankButcher on Jan 4, 2018 0:55:06 GMT
Did Clown Cartwright come into replace John Rudge??
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Post by ashleyscfc on Jan 4, 2018 0:58:13 GMT
Did Clown Cartwright come into replace John Rudge?? Yup, from a purely outside perspective I get the impression it was to take power from TP and put a buffer between him and Scholes who didn’t have the best relationship by that point
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 4, 2018 1:18:54 GMT
In Hughes first three summer windows he signed: in some ways it feels more like fluke. This has happened on their watch, by their design and should be made to suffer. We should be calling for them to go Saturday and make it loud so it can’t be ignored. Whether hughes stays or goes. Things at top must change. Mint. enjoyed that. Got dry mouth towards the end and thought the bit I quoted above was a bit naff. As an ending.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 4, 2018 1:25:22 GMT
We signed Haugard because of Sorro.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 4, 2018 1:31:16 GMT
We signed Haugard because of Sorro. May have misheard, going a bit mutton with all the shouting going on.
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Post by professorplump on Jan 4, 2018 1:40:11 GMT
Allen isn't a successful signing. He isn't an unsuccessful signing.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 4, 2018 1:43:58 GMT
Allen isn't a successful signing. He isn't an unsuccessful signing. And someone who we'll get money back on for the forseeable. Not a declining asset at all, in those terms. Apart from all his attributes and importance since joining. Captain.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 4, 2018 1:45:46 GMT
Allen isn't a successful signing. He isn't an unsuccessful signing. He is. The reasons are documented in the Allen thread and don't need discussing on here.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 4, 2018 2:03:59 GMT
In Hughes first three summer windows he signed: Arnautovic Pieters Ireland Muniesa Diouf Bojan Bardsley Sidwell Wollscheid Shaqiri Joselu Haugaard Given Johnson Ginkel In three summer windows we’ve still got 2 players who are actually first team players. That plain and simple is why we are going down. And if you think that rests purely and Hughes head you are missing the point. We have a recruitment department that quite clearly incompetent and not up to the task and/or funds that are not suitable. This is the same group of people who since 2012 bought us Maurice Edu, Brek Shea and the Juan Agudelo fiasco. (America being Cartwrights main set of contacts in the game along with Butland (he was his agent)) The same people who chased Berahino for 3 windows knowing he doesn’t suit how we play. Or the same people who would of filed reports justifying Wimmers value and didn’t do their homework on Imbula. The same people who replaced an ageing, slow midfielder with another or didn’t do the proper background checks on Jese. Or the same people who thought Haugard should play in the premier league?! Scholes, Cartwright and the transfer team have proven since Carto came in from 2012 to be not up to it. We have all the evidence we need. Look at our pitiful list of truly successful signing: Pieters - Scouted under pulis Butland - Carto used to be his agent Arnautovic - Hughes had been tracking him Allen - Hughes scouted him direct from the Euros Shaqiri and Indi you could probably just about add to that list but our hit rate isn’t even close to half. And how many of them would get into a top 10 side every week in the premier league? Even then we had the Indi farce. I may be wrong but I believe our hand was forced into three at the back as the Indi signing cock up meant we had wimmer, zouma and Indi so had to accommodate them all hence we struggled again for so long. Add the farce of selling and not replacing Nzonzi for so little. One of the highest distance covered and successful pass completions in the league in an ageing side, it’s was a ticking clock. Then we have been one of the lowest scorers in the league consistently since we got in the prem and the board somehow refused to spend the relevant money for an adequate striker. We’ve known this for years though and yet done nothing. The facts were there and we all know, don’t have the ability to score and if you defence gets worse you’re stuck. Why do you think the team gets to down after conceding first? They know they have nobody who can put the ball in the back of the net regularly. This was never ever addressed. Combine this with the fact we are some of the leagues lowest spenders in the league: 13/14: Spending 17th - Finished 9th 14/15: Spending 20th - Finished 9th 15/16: Spending 16th - Finished 9th 16/17: Spending 20th - Finished 13th 17:18: Spending 20th - Currently 17th This has not happened in a vacuum is has happened by design. Through incompetency and inadequacy from the club management. We need a manager and club management who have a proven successful track record in the top 10 of the league. In comparison, see how Moyes did it at Everton and tell me you have any confidence we do anything anywhere near as competent behind the scenes? Tell me you’ve seen any evidence we behave a remotely methodical and professional way? For a club that says it deserves to be in the top 10 in the league: www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/scouting-system-that-reveals-david-moyes-mind-8756011.htmlWe are still, light years away. And they have the gaul to tell us how great they’ve been after 10 years. We all saw this coming at least last summer if not earlier. We need to make this message known on radio stoke, talk sport, 5 live. Whoever will listen. The board need to be put under immense pressure, they will not be the ones losing their jobs it will be local people at the club and associated businesses. They have failed in their jobs, completely. Take the last few days, Tuesday fans expected him to go. There was heresay and rumour and stories being changed from “he’s definitely staying” to “he might be staying” to “we are looking at options but there’s no good ones”. What?! Who is doing their homework on possible managers. Where is the list of 10 managers all the time we could be interested in? The noises from the club have made things worse! There has been no “official statement”, it appears he’s staying then he needs to be backed to the hilt and publicly. What player would come to the club knowing the manager is so close to going? Why would the players who are here play for him thinking the same? And we clearly need new players! It would of been better to say nothing. The incompetence is staggering For what it’s worth I’d love it if Hughes was able to build a dynasty here. Same with Tone. I don’t want us to be like everyone else hiring and firing. I want a successful academy (the rotating door of academy director is a again another issue!) Ive just seem no evidence to suggest the structures at the club are suitable. It feels as though the chairman and club management have been a combination of naive and let down by those around them at the same time and it’s horrible to see. We need track record people right through the club ASAP. If Hughes goes and the back room staff go we will need around 10ish new staff from coaches to the u23 academy manager. Yes we’ve been in the league for 10 years, we are the only side outside the top 6 and Everton that has remained over that period! But where is the evidence of this? On and off the pitch? We have punched above our weight but not in an over achieving way, in some ways it feels more like fluke. This has happened on their watch, by their design and should be made to suffer. We should be calling for them to go Saturday and make it loud so it can’t be ignored. Whether hughes stays or goes. Things at top must change. First class post and spot on
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 2:14:24 GMT
In Hughes first three summer windows he signed: Arnautovic Pieters Ireland Muniesa Diouf Bojan Bardsley Sidwell Wollscheid Shaqiri Joselu Haugaard Given Johnson Ginkel In three summer windows we’ve still got 2 players who are actually first team players. That plain and simple is why we are going down. And if you think that rests purely and Hughes head you are missing the point. We have a recruitment department that quite clearly incompetent and not up to the task and/or funds that are not suitable. This is the same group of people who since 2012 bought us Maurice Edu, Brek Shea and the Juan Agudelo fiasco. (America being Cartwrights main set of contacts in the game along with Butland (he was his agent)) The same people who chased Berahino for 3 windows knowing he doesn’t suit how we play. Or the same people who would of filed reports justifying Wimmers value and didn’t do their homework on Imbula. The same people who replaced an ageing, slow midfielder with another or didn’t do the proper background checks on Jese. Or the same people who thought Haugard should play in the premier league?! Scholes, Cartwright and the transfer team have proven since Carto came in from 2012 to be not up to it. We have all the evidence we need. Look at our pitiful list of truly successful signing: Pieters - Scouted under pulis Butland - Carto used to be his agent Arnautovic - Hughes had been tracking him Allen - Hughes scouted him direct from the Euros Shaqiri and Indi you could probably just about add to that list but our hit rate isn’t even close to half. And how many of them would get into a top 10 side every week in the premier league? Even then we had the Indi farce. I may be wrong but I believe our hand was forced into three at the back as the Indi signing cock up meant we had wimmer, zouma and Indi so had to accommodate them all hence we struggled again for so long. Add the farce of selling and not replacing Nzonzi for so little. One of the highest distance covered and successful pass completions in the league in an ageing side, it’s was a ticking clock. Then we have been one of the lowest scorers in the league consistently since we got in the prem and the board somehow refused to spend the relevant money for an adequate striker. We’ve known this for years though and yet done nothing. The facts were there and we all know, don’t have the ability to score and if you defence gets worse you’re stuck. Why do you think the team gets to down after conceding first? They know they have nobody who can put the ball in the back of the net regularly. This was never ever addressed. Combine this with the fact we are some of the leagues lowest spenders in the league: 13/14: Spending 17th - Finished 9th 14/15: Spending 20th - Finished 9th 15/16: Spending 16th - Finished 9th 16/17: Spending 20th - Finished 13th 17:18: Spending 20th - Currently 17th This has not happened in a vacuum is has happened by design. Through incompetency and inadequacy from the club management. We need a manager and club management who have a proven successful track record in the top 10 of the league. In comparison, see how Moyes did it at Everton and tell me you have any confidence we do anything anywhere near as competent behind the scenes? Tell me you’ve seen any evidence we behave a remotely methodical and professional way? For a club that says it deserves to be in the top 10 in the league: www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/scouting-system-that-reveals-david-moyes-mind-8756011.htmlWe are still, light years away. And they have the gaul to tell us how great they’ve been after 10 years. We all saw this coming at least last summer if not earlier. We need to make this message known on radio stoke, talk sport, 5 live. Whoever will listen. The board need to be put under immense pressure, they will not be the ones losing their jobs it will be local people at the club and associated businesses. They have failed in their jobs, completely. Take the last few days, Tuesday fans expected him to go. There was heresay and rumour and stories being changed from “he’s definitely staying” to “he might be staying” to “we are looking at options but there’s no good ones”. What?! Who is doing their homework on possible managers. Where is the list of 10 managers all the time we could be interested in? The noises from the club have made things worse! There has been no “official statement”, it appears he’s staying then he needs to be backed to the hilt and publicly. What player would come to the club knowing the manager is so close to going? Why would the players who are here play for him thinking the same? And we clearly need new players! It would of been better to say nothing. The incompetence is staggering For what it’s worth I’d love it if Hughes was able to build a dynasty here. Same with Tone. I don’t want us to be like everyone else hiring and firing. I want a successful academy (the rotating door of academy director is a again another issue!) Ive just seem no evidence to suggest the structures at the club are suitable. It feels as though the chairman and club management have been a combination of naive and let down by those around them at the same time and it’s horrible to see. We need track record people right through the club ASAP. If Hughes goes and the back room staff go we will need around 10ish new staff from coaches to the u23 academy manager. Yes we’ve been in the league for 10 years, we are the only side outside the top 6 and Everton that has remained over that period! But where is the evidence of this? On and off the pitch? We have punched above our weight but not in an over achieving way, in some ways it feels more like fluke. This has happened on their watch, by their design and should be made to suffer. We should be calling for them to go Saturday and make it loud so it can’t be ignored. Whether hughes stays or goes. Things at top must change. First class post and spot on Eye kate my jhat of 2wy you bayernjey
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Post by marrer on Jan 4, 2018 4:50:37 GMT
First class post and spot on Eye kate my jhat of 2wy you bayernjey Mate, can you turn your keyboard the right way up?
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Post by s7oke on Jan 4, 2018 5:16:33 GMT
In Hughes first three summer windows he signed: Arnautovic Pieters Ireland Muniesa Diouf Bojan Bardsley Sidwell Wollscheid Shaqiri Joselu Haugaard Given Johnson Ginkel In three summer windows we’ve still got 2 players who are actually first team players. That plain and simple is why we are going down. And if you think that rests purely and Hughes head you are missing the point. We have a recruitment department that quite clearly incompetent and not up to the task and/or funds that are not suitable. This is the same group of people who since 2012 bought us Maurice Edu, Brek Shea and the Juan Agudelo fiasco. (America being Cartwrights main set of contacts in the game along with Butland (he was his agent)) The same people who chased Berahino for 3 windows knowing he doesn’t suit how we play. Or the same people who would of filed reports justifying Wimmers value and didn’t do their homework on Imbula. The same people who replaced an ageing, slow midfielder with another or didn’t do the proper background checks on Jese. Or the same people who thought Haugard should play in the premier league?! Scholes, Cartwright and the transfer team have proven since Carto came in from 2012 to be not up to it. We have all the evidence we need. Look at our pitiful list of truly successful signing: Pieters - Scouted under pulis Butland - Carto used to be his agent Arnautovic - Hughes had been tracking him Allen - Hughes scouted him direct from the Euros Shaqiri and Indi you could probably just about add to that list but our hit rate isn’t even close to half. And how many of them would get into a top 10 side every week in the premier league? Even then we had the Indi farce. I may be wrong but I believe our hand was forced into three at the back as the Indi signing cock up meant we had wimmer, zouma and Indi so had to accommodate them all hence we struggled again for so long. Add the farce of selling and not replacing Nzonzi for so little. One of the highest distance covered and successful pass completions in the league in an ageing side, it’s was a ticking clock. Then we have been one of the lowest scorers in the league consistently since we got in the prem and the board somehow refused to spend the relevant money for an adequate striker. We’ve known this for years though and yet done nothing. The facts were there and we all know, don’t have the ability to score and if you defence gets worse you’re stuck. Why do you think the team gets to down after conceding first? They know they have nobody who can put the ball in the back of the net regularly. This was never ever addressed. Combine this with the fact we are some of the leagues lowest spenders in the league: 13/14: Spending 17th - Finished 9th 14/15: Spending 20th - Finished 9th 15/16: Spending 16th - Finished 9th 16/17: Spending 20th - Finished 13th 17:18: Spending 20th - Currently 17th This has not happened in a vacuum is has happened by design. Through incompetency and inadequacy from the club management. We need a manager and club management who have a proven successful track record in the top 10 of the league. In comparison, see how Moyes did it at Everton and tell me you have any confidence we do anything anywhere near as competent behind the scenes? Tell me you’ve seen any evidence we behave a remotely methodical and professional way? For a club that says it deserves to be in the top 10 in the league: www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/scouting-system-that-reveals-david-moyes-mind-8756011.htmlWe are still, light years away. And they have the gaul to tell us how great they’ve been after 10 years. We all saw this coming at least last summer if not earlier. We need to make this message known on radio stoke, talk sport, 5 live. Whoever will listen. The board need to be put under immense pressure, they will not be the ones losing their jobs it will be local people at the club and associated businesses. They have failed in their jobs, completely. Take the last few days, Tuesday fans expected him to go. There was heresay and rumour and stories being changed from “he’s definitely staying” to “he might be staying” to “we are looking at options but there’s no good ones”. What?! Who is doing their homework on possible managers. Where is the list of 10 managers all the time we could be interested in? The noises from the club have made things worse! There has been no “official statement”, it appears he’s staying then he needs to be backed to the hilt and publicly. What player would come to the club knowing the manager is so close to going? Why would the players who are here play for him thinking the same? And we clearly need new players! It would of been better to say nothing. The incompetence is staggering For what it’s worth I’d love it if Hughes was able to build a dynasty here. Same with Tone. I don’t want us to be like everyone else hiring and firing. I want a successful academy (the rotating door of academy director is a again another issue!) Ive just seem no evidence to suggest the structures at the club are suitable. It feels as though the chairman and club management have been a combination of naive and let down by those around them at the same time and it’s horrible to see. We need track record people right through the club ASAP. If Hughes goes and the back room staff go we will need around 10ish new staff from coaches to the u23 academy manager. Yes we’ve been in the league for 10 years, we are the only side outside the top 6 and Everton that has remained over that period! But where is the evidence of this? On and off the pitch? We have punched above our weight but not in an over achieving way, in some ways it feels more like fluke. This has happened on their watch, by their design and should be made to suffer. We should be calling for them to go Saturday and make it loud so it can’t be ignored. Whether hughes stays or goes. Things at top must change. BRAVO 👍
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Post by hanibal7 on Jan 4, 2018 7:01:48 GMT
I thought Shay Given had shouted most of this, you wasted hours of repeating it,, well done youth.
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Post by lee1982 on Jan 4, 2018 14:06:32 GMT
He isn't an unsuccessful signing. He is. The reasons are documented in the Allen thread and don't need discussing on here. but you brought it up on here? “ look at me, look at me “
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 4, 2018 14:34:43 GMT
He is. The reasons are documented in the Allen thread and don't need discussing on here. but you brought it up on here? “ look at me, look at me “ Because the op was giving undue credit. It was just a passing comment.
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Post by eatfood10 on Jan 4, 2018 14:56:25 GMT
Cracking post, fully agree! But for future reference please don't mention van ginkel - I think the majority of us would rather forget that ever happened (at least haugaard provides a comedy element).
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Post by lee1982 on Jan 4, 2018 15:03:39 GMT
but you brought it up on here? “ look at me, look at me “ Because the op was giving undue credit. It was just a passing comment. Undue credit in your opinion. Its not undue in mine, but if it was i dont feel the need to have the last word on every issue. 96,000 posts later im trying not to be harsh but you must sit on here 24/7.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 4, 2018 15:24:50 GMT
Because the op was giving undue credit. It was just a passing comment. Undue credit in your opinion. Its not undue in mine, but if it was i dont feel the need to have the last word on every issue. 96,000 posts later im trying not to be harsh but you must sit on here 24/7. Last word? Eh? It was a throwaway sentence 😂
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Post by stokeyank on Jan 4, 2018 16:33:23 GMT
Arnautovic - We may not like him now but successful and sold for big profit (for us) Pieters - Not a world beater but a steady part of a good team. Ireland - Injured most of the time, risk to start with. Muniesa - Good but always hurt, so did not work (we knew this when he signed)
Diouf - Best scoring record when actually played in the correct position Bojan - Awesome till the unfortunate injury Bardsley - OK, but not a great signing Sidwell - Nope Wollscheid - Nope
Shaqiri - Injured a lot, fantastic early this season till he got tired of losing and idiotic substitutions and tactics Joselu - Never given a true chance Haugaard - Yeah not good Given - Was past it and we knew it, but he was a stop gap Johnson - Was past it and we knew it
Ginkel - I forgot about him
Honestly compared to many teams our size it was not that bad. Not good, but some unlucky others seem to just never be given a true chance or were played out of position.
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Post by southstanddan on Jan 4, 2018 16:43:01 GMT
Allen isn't a successful signing. Might as well let West Ham have him then?
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