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Post by Dingdangdoo on Jan 3, 2018 11:15:47 GMT
If supporters don’t get behind the team now it’s
only going to help the opposition and make matters worse
Opposition managers will be giving the ‘let’s turn the crowd’
talk as a standard before every game against us
We’ve got to get behind the team/club to give ourselves the very best
chance in a very difficult situation
For the record I’ve supported Stoke for 55 years and I
am as disillusioned as most
We would also be seen as abandoning our team as
the going gets tough
Let’s do our best to survive this and take it from there......
COYMP!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 11:21:05 GMT
If supporters don’t get behind the team now it’s only going to help the opposition and make matters worse Opposition managers will be giving the ‘let’s turn the crowd’ talk as a standard before every game against us We’ve got to get behind the team/club to give ourselves the very best chance in a very difficult situation For the record I’ve supported Stoke for 55 years and I am as disillusioned as most We would also be seen as abandoning our team as the going gets tough Let’s do our best to survive this and take it from there...... COYMP!!! Totally agree. As disgruntled as I am like many others now is not the time to turn against our club. We stick together as one. We have got to get the bear pit atmosphere back and get behind the lads |
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 3, 2018 11:32:17 GMT
If supporters don’t get behind the team now it’s only going to help the opposition and make matters worse Opposition managers will be giving the ‘let’s turn the crowd’ talk as a standard before every game against us We’ve got to get behind the team/club to give ourselves the very best chance in a very difficult situation For the record I’ve supported Stoke for 55 years and I am as disillusioned as most We would also be seen as abandoning our team as the going gets tough Let’s do our best to survive this and take it from there...... COYMP!!! I Agree we play straight into there hands by getting on the players (managers backs) i know some will say the team are not trying so why should we but we can be the difference and at least we can say we did our bit |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2018 11:34:03 GMT
The fans aren't the issue here.
There are lots of issues with the club but the fans aren't one of them.
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Post by RAF on Jan 3, 2018 11:35:52 GMT
The fans aren't the issue here. There are lots of issues with the club but the fans aren't one of them. He's not saying they are though is he? H |
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Post by adamsson on Jan 3, 2018 11:37:15 GMT
Not going to happen.
The crowd might get behind a new manager but they will only get behind Hughes to shove him out the door.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2018 11:39:19 GMT
The fans aren't the issue here. There are lots of issues with the club but the fans aren't one of them. He's not saying they are though is he? H He is in a round about way. And it's almost if you then you're at fault. Which again is bollocks. Hughes has been given way too much backing as it is, we're fine, nothing needs to be said. |
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Post by potters1863 on Jan 3, 2018 11:42:08 GMT
I'm sorry but this is a fantasy.
1. The crowd 'turned' some time back and now the vast majority don't believe salvation can be found with the current management, tactics or playing staff
2. Far from 'abandoning the team' we are making the point that change has to come and come quickly. By the way, I think it's fair to say the fans have been abandoned by the team some time back reference Wimmer on social media and Shaqiri simply giving up against Newcastle
3. Irrespective of what you say, we are not The Moonies. It is impossible to stifle the groans and chuntering when a: we give the ball to the opposition straight from kick-off b: persist with whatever we are supposed to be doing in terms of marking at set pieces and c: just don't actually look arsed when we're getting dicked ref: Wimmer and Shaqiri.
However, I appreciate there are two sides to this. I would be in favour of everyone staying on the concourse for the first 10 minutes against Cov. If nothing else this only leaves us 80 mins of watching the spineless, gutless, clueless dross we have been served over a considerable period of time.
AL,AP,AS
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Jan 3, 2018 11:44:42 GMT
The fans aren't the issue here. There are lots of issues with the club but the fans aren't one of them. He's not saying they are though is he? H I agree H, the OP is simply saying let's not make an already bad situation even worse. There's not much as fans we can do to put things right at the moment, the only positive thing we can do is get behind the team for 90 minutes. Gooooaaaarrnnn Stoke! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 11:47:04 GMT
At the very least, if they are going to persist with Mark Hughes, they should say that the Huddersfield game is a must win at all costs. Cannot for the life of me see us getting anything against you know who, so Huddersfield must be a win. I sincerely hope we don't cock up the F.A. Cup game though! Everyone around where I sit seems to want Stoke to improve, but, yet again, it's up to the players to do the business. Maybe this little break will enable us to get a couple of players back fit, but if we do lose to Huddersfield, surely he must get the push!
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Post by staffsvilla on Jan 3, 2018 11:49:15 GMT
Having lived through the this scenario a few times in recent years AMC,Lambert,Sherwood and Garde all I can say is stick with it and try not to let it take over your lives, we went through the all the emotions during our slump anger ,AMC, disbelief,Lambert, amusement, Tactics Tim, and depression Garde, we eventually,as you witnessed settled for gallows humour to soften the blow of realising how really crap we were.
I really hope you don't get to that stage, all the best !
UTV
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 3, 2018 11:51:25 GMT
I think the fans have been generally ok and will try to support in games , I was at Chelsea and the support was great considering what we were watching .
On Monday it seemed flat but not that hostile , Shaq deserved some stick for not trying in such a big game and naturally there was a lot of disapproval at the end but its not easy for fans , there have not been many enjoyable performances for a fair while now
If i was the club I would make the new corner an unreserved singing area for the rest of the season which might generate a bit of noise running around the ground but until the team ups the tempo a bit and starts to compete with a bit more passion I think it might stay quiet .
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Post by metalhead on Jan 3, 2018 11:53:31 GMT
If supporters don’t get behind the team now it’s only going to help the opposition and make matters worse Opposition managers will be giving the ‘let’s turn the crowd’ talk as a standard before every game against us We’ve got to get behind the team/club to give ourselves the very best chance in a very difficult situation For the record I’ve supported Stoke for 55 years and I am as disillusioned as most We would also be seen as abandoning our team as the going gets tough Let’s do our best to survive this and take it from there...... COYMP!!! Totally agree. As disgruntled as I am like many others now is not the time to turn against our club. We stick together as one. We have got to get the bear pit atmosphere back and get behind the lads The atmosphere has been dead for a while now. The vibe at the games is different now to back in the Championship. I sit in block 23 and I can't even shout without someone turning around and giving me evils these days. The passion has been watered down. I remember about 10 years ago, just before we got promoted, describing to a work colleague why I enjoyed sitting the Boothen End so much. I described it like this: "For 90 minutes, you sit with all kinds of people... solicitors, tradesman, sales people, engineers etc etc, and yet you are all equal. It's not about how much you earn or what you do. You join them in screaming your nut off for 90 minutes, shouting occasional obscenities that you probably wouldn't at work and so long as it's not racist or homophobic there will be no judgement. You let your hair down, you unleash the stress of a full working week." It hasn't been like that for ages. Unless you sit in block 19, people are made to feel shit about shouting and even about chanting. |
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Post by metalhead on Jan 3, 2018 11:54:58 GMT
The fans aren't the issue here. There are lots of issues with the club but the fans aren't one of them. The fans are great, but the issues I've highlighted above are why the bear pit will never return. Just a change in the support base I guess. |
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Jan 3, 2018 11:56:51 GMT
He's not saying they are though is he? H I agree H, the OP is simply saying let's not make an already bad situation even worse. There's not much as fans we can do to put things right at the moment, the only positive thing we can do is get behind the team for 90 minutes. Gooooaaaarrnnn Stoke! This is exactly what I’m saying!! Cheers |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2018 11:57:34 GMT
The fans aren't the issue here. There are lots of issues with the club but the fans aren't one of them. The fans are great, but the issues I've highlighted above are why the bear pit will never return. Just a change in the support base I guess. It is true I guess but it hasn't stopped me. I don't give a shit what people think and carry on. 😂 |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2018 12:00:11 GMT
He's not saying they are though is he? H I agree H, the OP is simply saying let's not make an already bad situation even worse. There's not much as fans we can do to put things right at the moment, the only positive thing we can do is get behind the team for 90 minutes. Gooooaaaarrnnn Stoke! We've been doing that though. This for me is just a set up to blame fans. |
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Jan 3, 2018 12:03:10 GMT
I'm sorry but this is a fantasy. 1. The crowd 'turned' some time back and now the vast majority don't believe salvation can be found with the current management, tactics or playing staff 2. Far from 'abandoning the team' we are making the point that change has to come and come quickly. By the way, I think it's fair to say the fans have been abandoned by the team some time back reference Wimmer on social media and Shaqiri simply giving up against Newcastle 3. Irrespective of what you say, we are not The Moonies. It is impossible to stifle the groans and chuntering when a: we give the ball to the opposition straight from kick-off b: persist with whatever we are supposed to be doing in terms of marking at set pieces and c: just don't actually look arsed when we're getting dicked ref: Wimmer and Shaqiri. However, I appreciate there are two sides to this. I would be in favour of everyone staying on the concourse for the first 10 minutes against Cov. If nothing else this only leaves us 80 mins of watching the spineless, gutless, clueless dross we have been served over a considerable period of time. AL,AP,AS I don’t disagree with much of that, however.... At the end of the day they wear our shirt. Agreed Shaqiri stretched the boundaries of laziness on Monday. If you teach someone to swim the one day they’re drowning, do you say “stuff them, I supporters them whilst they learned” and watch them drown, or try and save them?? Turning more against team/management/club can only hinder and harm any chance of recovery given all the circumstances. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 3, 2018 12:03:40 GMT
If supporters don’t get behind the team now it’s only going to help the opposition and make matters worse Opposition managers will be giving the ‘let’s turn the crowd’ talk as a standard before every game against us We’ve got to get behind the team/club to give ourselves the very best chance in a very difficult situation For the record I’ve supported Stoke for 55 years and I am as disillusioned as most We would also be seen as abandoning our team as the going gets tough Let’s do our best to survive this and take it from there...... COYMP!!! I appreciate the sentiment and I agree with it. But really the leadership needs to come from the top. If we're all going to rally together and unite as one then we should at least know who the manager is going to be. The longer the board delay making a decision on whether to publicly back Hughes and say he has money to spend or sack him and bring in a new guy with money to spend, then the worse this is going to get. Many sections of the crowd currently feel that if the board are going to continue to dither, seemingly unable to make a decision, then it's their responsibility to help them come to making one. |
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Post by gibby1409 on Jan 3, 2018 12:04:04 GMT
I sat in the new corner on Saturday with some friends and family. and believe me the fans were anything but great! It started from the first time Peters played it back to Butland rather than down the line. No one had made a run and offered him a ball down the line, so it was either hoof it to no one or keep possession and go again.
As frustrating as it is, we as fans need to get behind the team. And however we try to dress it up, we were very poor in comparison to the barcode fans on Monday. And that lot have a very similar record to us this season.
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Jan 3, 2018 12:05:16 GMT
I agree H, the OP is simply saying let's not make an already bad situation even worse. There's not much as fans we can do to put things right at the moment, the only positive thing we can do is get behind the team for 90 minutes. Gooooaaaarrnnn Stoke! We've been doing that though. This for me is just a set up to blame fans. Bayern A setup by the club??? |
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Jan 3, 2018 12:09:23 GMT
I sat in the new corner on Saturday with some friends and family. and believe me the fans were anything but great! It started from the first time Peters played it back to Butland rather than down the line. No one had made a run and offered him a ball down the line, so it was either hoof it to no one or keep possession and go again. As frustrating as it is, we as fans need to get behind the team. And however we try to dress it up, we were very poor in comparison to the barcode fans on Monday. And that lot have a very similar record to us this season. Gibby I’m not saying I was happy, much the opposite, but the momentum AGAINST the team is gathering which can’t be good when the game begins and goes on. How would we all feel as players?? I’m just saying let’s not be part of the potential downfall regardless of where blame lies. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2018 12:10:06 GMT
We've been doing that though. This for me is just a set up to blame fans. Bayern A setup by the club??? By anyone. I've seen enough of it on here in the last two years where people don't want to see what it's in front of them when it comes to the club being crap. I think the fans generally have been exemplary. I'm disappointed the Hughes out chants didn't come last season but that's people's choice. But the team have been backed to the hilt, backed too much imo. I just don't think our backing is an issue and tbh makes no difference. They've had our backing and remained shite in games we should win. There's only 1 thing that needs to happen. |
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Post by stokeykez on Jan 3, 2018 12:10:14 GMT
Fans are getting irate because we support and love the team so much. We can all see what is happening but unfortunately we have a board who are paralysed with fear.
Fans will always support stoke and those who don't will fade away, there will always be generational changes as it's not the be all and end all that Saturday afternoon footy used to be.
On average stokes will shout and cheer when there is something worth cheering for and with the exception of palace where the atmosphere is buoyant all the time we have to create an atmosphere based on what we see in front of us.
It is like a mirror image and I think it's unfair when people criticise the support and blame so called plastic fans.
I vent my spleen when I go stoke and get many a tut. I don't give a shit I go to give stick to those who require it and cheer those who deserve it. But the feelings i have are directed at the limpdicked manager and his pathetic managerial qualities.
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Post by mcw on Jan 3, 2018 12:11:37 GMT
The atmosphere has definitely changed for the worse and I think that has come through a sense of entitlement in relation to what people expect. Gone are the days of roaring the team on based on the effort they put in (which for me is the minimum, 100% effort and on match day they deserve to be cheered on regardless of errors as it is not their fault if they have been picked and are not up to the standard. If they don't try well they deserve every bit of booing they get).
This has been replaced by people who have no basic concept of the game- every pass should be completed, the ball should always go forwards and every player should be perfect. Prime example booing when a player plays the ball back when there are no options available.
Outside of match day it is the board's job to review the manager based on performance, ability to coax the team to show spirit and determination and assess if there are changes which need to be made. Frustrations related to non-activity by the board can only harm the team and it's performance on the pitch, which inspires the opposition and deflates the team. We are all humans and is it hard to understand why you may under-perform when you have a significant proportion of 28,000+ fans waiting for you to fail and then boo and jeer?
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Post by stokeykez on Jan 3, 2018 12:12:03 GMT
I sat in the new corner on Saturday with some friends and family. and believe me the fans were anything but great! It started from the first time Peters played it back to Butland rather than down the line. No one had made a run and offered him a ball down the line, so it was either hoof it to no one or keep possession and go again. As frustrating as it is, we as fans need to get behind the team. And however we try to dress it up, we were very poor in comparison to the barcode fans on Monday. And that lot have a very similar record to us this season. They don't want rafa Benitez out though that's the difference. |
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Post by Cartman on Jan 3, 2018 12:13:31 GMT
We’ve turned into the Steve kean era at Blackburn, & that didn’t end well.
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Jan 3, 2018 12:18:35 GMT
I understand everyone’s comments and feel very much the same as most.
Hughes seems to have lost it
Some players look disinterested
Very few good alternatives, short or long term
A definite gamble
Overdue
If the crowd continue to turn, valid or not, it will only harm
our chances. We won’t get the bear pit back as that was
a special time, but we can try not to lose support altogether.
Just turning up and paying is only half of it.
I’ve yet to see demonstrations of any kind do much good.
I might change my mind after an hour at Coventry ha ha 😬
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Post by gibby1409 on Jan 3, 2018 12:20:25 GMT
I sat in the new corner on Saturday with some friends and family. and believe me the fans were anything but great! It started from the first time Peters played it back to Butland rather than down the line. No one had made a run and offered him a ball down the line, so it was either hoof it to no one or keep possession and go again. As frustrating as it is, we as fans need to get behind the team. And however we try to dress it up, we were very poor in comparison to the barcode fans on Monday. And that lot have a very similar record to us this season. Gibby I’m not saying I was happy, much the opposite, but the momentum AGAINST the team is gathering which can’t be good when the game begins and goes on. How would we all feel as players?? I’m just saying let’s not be part of the potential downfall regardless of where blame lies. I think we're both seeing it the same way mate. The point I was making was that we didn't compare well to how Newcastle got behind their team and manager. We as a group have to really up our game, because when you read some of the post's on here, then unless we revive Waddo, every other manager being named as a possible replacement is "shit" according to many posters! I understand the frustration, I've been a supporter since the late 60's, and it's not always easy. But getting behind the team and the manager is the only way we can help out what's happening on the pitch, and I truly believe that apart from maybe one individual, who was hauled off on Monday, then all the players are trying their best. But they need a bit of impetus/kick up the arse from the manager, call it what you will, to grind out results. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2018 12:22:49 GMT
The moment no fucker stayed after the Arsenal game is the moment the board should have realised that on the whole the fans weren't on board.
And if the fans aren't board, you're screwed.
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