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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2018 10:43:27 GMT
Mate he left because he thought he could dictate to Lerner and when he got told no he threw his toys and Fucked off just days before the season started Sounds a bit like pulis & our board parting with our board saying we are 'going in a new direction' aka downwards on the cheap, we're also doing a bit of assets stripping atm. Striking resemblance The big resemblance is that both chairmen appeared to decide that they could no longer sanction so much money being frittered away on shite. Pulis was already taking the team backwards before then.
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 3, 2018 10:44:03 GMT
People advised not to touch Hughes with a barge pole but he did o.k for 3 years, albeit with a lions share of pulis players.
Horses for courses. I can see o Neil doing a decent job with our board if they back him not outrageously but adequately
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 3, 2018 10:45:03 GMT
Keane’s Sunderland team showed the ‘grit and desire’ to lose 29 of his 53 Premier League games in charge. His Ipswich team showed the ‘grit and desire’ to finish 15th in his one full season there before getting him sacked halfway through the next one. Who do you want mate as manager? Don't forget they need to bring an assistant with them?
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 3, 2018 10:47:18 GMT
The post above was bang on. Sunderland was a poisoned chalice. Our situation is salvageable, we have some good players.
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Post by malisastokie on Jan 3, 2018 11:00:38 GMT
Oneill’s Win ratio at Villa surprised me :
290 games 80 wins 60 draws 50 losses
Points in 70% of games !!!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2018 11:01:24 GMT
Keane’s Sunderland team showed the ‘grit and desire’ to lose 29 of his 53 Premier League games in charge. His Ipswich team showed the ‘grit and desire’ to finish 15th in his one full season there before getting him sacked halfway through the next one. Who do you want mate as manager? Don't forget they need to bring an assistant with them? I answered this the last time you asked me mate. I gave you quite a detailed answer, as I recall.
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 3, 2018 11:03:29 GMT
Who do you want mate as manager? Don't forget they need to bring an assistant with them? I answered this the last time you asked me mate. I gave you quite a detailed answer, as I recall. It slips me mate honest, I've read a lot on here since then. I recall it being a foreign manager but can't recall who?
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 3, 2018 11:03:58 GMT
Oneill’s Win ratio at Villa surprised me : 290 games 80 wins 60 draws 50 losses Points in 70% of games !!! He was their downfall 😉
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2018 11:04:21 GMT
The post above was bang on. Sunderland was a poisoned chalice. Our situation is salvageable, we have some good players. Sunderland wasn’t a poisoned chalice when he took over. It’s become one since. Again, never his fault is it?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2018 11:05:35 GMT
I answered this the last time you asked me mate. I gave you quite a detailed answer, as I recall. It slips me mate honest, I've read a lot on here since then. I recall it being a foreign manager but can't recall who? I wanted someone like Galtier, Fonseca or even Bielsa. British wise the only option that doesn’t make me shudder is Rodgers.
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 3, 2018 11:12:57 GMT
It slips me mate honest, I've read a lot on here since then. I recall it being a foreign manager but can't recall who? I wanted someone like Galtier, Fonseca or even Bielsa. British wise the only option that doesn’t make me shudder is Rodgers. I'd take Rodgers but other than bielsa I can't say I'm clued on the others. Bielsa though is a car crash waiting to happen in our current situation. A 3313 formation. He requires super fit players and intelligent ones because it's a free flowing attacking football, about as flowing & fluid as you can get. His players play fast fooatball and press hard & quickly. I really can't see him imposing that in january with this bunch to be successful during a relegation scrap. He plays 3 up front with 2 players either side of the main striker literally right out wide. He then gives a central attacking midfielder licence to just sit there and ignore all defensive duties. Not for the faint hearted in a relegation scrap that. He plays full backs as centre backs, by design
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2018 11:21:18 GMT
I wanted someone like Galtier, Fonseca or even Bielsa. British wise the only option that doesn’t make me shudder is Rodgers. I'd take Rodgers but other than bielsa I can't say I'm clued on the others. Bielsa though is a car crash waiting to happen in our current situation. A 3313 formation. He requires super fit players and intelligent ones because it's a free flowing attacking football, about as flowing & fluid as you can get. His players play fast fooatball and press hard & quickly. I really can't see him imposing that in january with this bunch to be successful during a relegation scrap. He plays 3 up front with 2 players either side of the main striker literally right out wide. He then gives a central attacking midfielder licence to just sit there and ignore all defensive duties. Not for the faint hearted in a relegation scrap that. He plays full backs as centre backs, by design It could well be a car crash, yeah. So could anyone. He’s come into clubs and turned them round, they weren’t all superfit when he arrived. I accept it’s probably not ideal mid-season in a relegation scrap mind. His successes are more recent than O’Neill’s though.
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Post by staffsvilla on Jan 3, 2018 11:29:15 GMT
Oneill’s Win ratio at Villa surprised me : 290 games 80 wins 60 draws 50 losses Points in 70% of games !!! Having been at over approximately 75% of those games your post proves beyond all doubt you can manipulate statistics to suit any debate Oh and it was 190 games !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 11:31:04 GMT
It slips me mate honest, I've read a lot on here since then. I recall it being a foreign manager but can't recall who? I wanted someone like Galtier, Fonseca or even Bielsa. British wise the only option that doesn’t make me shudder is Rodgers. I'd love Bielsa here mate. To have any chance of him considering us you'd have thought we'd have to convince him that he can take on a project here; a clear Option A (with immediate funds) if he keeps us in the Prem, and an Option B should we go down. Either way, he's got to be happy with the idea that we might go down and he would stick with us for another year at least (a la Benitez and 'Castle). He would need to undertake a massive squad overhaul to get the team playing the way he likes; I'm not convinced we have the personnel to play that way at the moment. We simply don't have the pace or the athleticism required. Fonseca is a good shout and has been linked with quite a few clubs in England recently. But is he someone to see something through? Seems to have had a lot of clubs in a pretty short managerial career.
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 3, 2018 11:37:49 GMT
If the board can't agree there is a better British manager they should recognise their mistakes and beg a van gaal, Capello or Eriksson to take over until the end of the season with a bumper keep us up bonus.
Failure to do so is negligence & insulting to supporters
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2018 11:40:02 GMT
I wanted someone like Galtier, Fonseca or even Bielsa. British wise the only option that doesn’t make me shudder is Rodgers. I'd love Bielsa here mate. To have any chance of him considering us you'd have thought we'd have to convince him that he can take on a project here; a clear Option A (with immediate funds) if he keeps us in the Prem, and an Option B should we go down. Either way, he's got to be happy with the idea that we might go down and he would stick with us for another year at least (a la Benitez and 'Castle). He would need to undertake a massive squad overhaul to get the team playing the way he likes; I'm not convinced we have the personnel to play that way at the moment. We simply don't have the pace or the athleticism required. Fonseca is a good shout and has been linked with quite a few clubs in England recently. But is he someone to see something through? Seems to have had a lot of clubs in a pretty short managerial career. I think any promising manager would see us as little more than a stepping stone to be honest. That’s our place in the world. Silva is the same really, seems to bounce from club to club but generally does a good job wherever he goes.
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Post by miggo on Jan 3, 2018 11:52:54 GMT
Yet again Wiki being used to prove an argument. When will people learn that Wiki is a public site and can be updated by anyone, it's not proof of any kind as it could have been written by MON himself. Yet again I find myself in total and utter disbelief that people take anything written on the internet as fact just because it's in written form.
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 3, 2018 11:57:48 GMT
Yet again Wiki being used to prove an argument. When will people learn that Wiki is a public site and can be updated by anyone, it's not proof of any kind as it could have been written by MON himself. Yet again I find myself in total and utter disbelief that people take anything written on the internet as fact just because it's in written form. Really? Point out the faults in it? They are facts, from league finishes to cup finals & European football. Don't see many villa fans rewriting history on there do you? Fuck it let's stick with lacklustre les as our fans are as indecisive as our board 😑🔫
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2018 11:59:47 GMT
Yet again Wiki being used to prove an argument. When will people learn that Wiki is a public site and can be updated by anyone, it's not proof of any kind as it could have been written by MON himself. Yet again I find myself in total and utter disbelief that people take anything written on the internet as fact just because it's in written form. Really? Point out the faults in it? They are facts, from league finishes to cup finals & European football. Don't see many villa fans rewriting history on there do you? Fuck it let's stick with lacklustre les as our fans are as indecisive as our board 😑🔫 Again, they’re divorced from the context aren’t they? Why isn’t he universally hailed as a hero there if it was such a happy time?
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Post by staffsvilla on Jan 3, 2018 12:04:17 GMT
Really? Point out the faults in it? They are facts, from league finishes to cup finals & European football. Don't see many villa fans rewriting history on there do you? Fuck it let's stick with lacklustre les as our fans are as indecisive as our board 😑🔫 Again, they’re divorced from the context aren’t they? Why isn’t he universally hailed as a hero there if it was such a happy time? Bang on mate
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 3, 2018 12:06:13 GMT
Really? Point out the faults in it? They are facts, from league finishes to cup finals & European football. Don't see many villa fans rewriting history on there do you? Fuck it let's stick with lacklustre les as our fans are as indecisive as our board 😑🔫 Again, they’re divorced from the context aren’t they? Why isn’t he universally hailed as a hero there if it was such a happy time? Bitterness of walking out 5 days before the season. I give up, not bothered now. We're going down through indecision and the fans are as bad as the board. If anceolotti was linked there would be people not to sure & have doubts. There is always a negative, always. Picking faults with anyone who is mentioned. O Neil is the best realistic option the board would go for and despite this fraud in charge atm nose diving us to the championship o Neill is just not good enough. We're heading to the fizzy pop league, make no mistake.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2018 12:19:12 GMT
Again, they’re divorced from the context aren’t they? Why isn’t he universally hailed as a hero there if it was such a happy time? Bitterness of walking out 5 days before the season. I give up, not bothered now. We're going down through indecision and the fans are as bad as the board. If anceolotti was linked there would be people not to sure & have doubts. There is always a negative, always. Picking faults with anyone who is mentioned. O Neil is the best realistic option the board would go for and despite this fraud in charge atm nose diving us to the championship o Neill is just not good enough. We're heading to the fizzy pop league, make no mistake. There were thousands who weren’t especially bothered when he walked out. The problem with O’Neill is that there are so many faults to pick in his work over the last 10 years.
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Post by chigstoke on Jan 3, 2018 12:24:15 GMT
Bielsa would be a right laugh I'd love see a 3313 formation Butland Edwards - Zouma - Pieters Adam - Allen - New Midfielder Shaqiri Ramdan - Diouf - Choupo Moting Fuck me
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 3, 2018 12:31:26 GMT
Bitterness of walking out 5 days before the season. I give up, not bothered now. We're going down through indecision and the fans are as bad as the board. If anceolotti was linked there would be people not to sure & have doubts. There is always a negative, always. Picking faults with anyone who is mentioned. O Neil is the best realistic option the board would go for and despite this fraud in charge atm nose diving us to the championship o Neill is just not good enough. We're heading to the fizzy pop league, make no mistake. There were thousands who weren’t especially bothered when he walked out. The problem with O’Neill is that there are so many faults to pick in his work over the last 10 years. You could say the same about any manager. QPR fans would have given Hughes a piggy back here. Allardyce, moyes, Hodgson, all not good enough for little old stoke on this message board. All have holes, anybody we are likely to attract will. It's a joke. If o Neil & keane couldn't train, organise and motivate this group better than Hughes & co and get better results I'd eat my own shit
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2018 12:36:00 GMT
There were thousands who weren’t especially bothered when he walked out. The problem with O’Neill is that there are so many faults to pick in his work over the last 10 years. You could say the same about any manager. QPR fans would have given Hughes a piggy back here. Allardyce, moyes, Hodgson, all not good enough for little old stoke on this message board. All have holes, anybody we are likely to attract will. It's a joke. If o Neil & keane couldn't train, organise and motivate this group better than Hughes & co and get better results I'd eat my own shit Hughes had success with Blackburn and Fulham in the relatively recent past though. I’d have taken Allardyce or Hodgson as well. All of them had actually done a decent job somewhere in the last five years or so.
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 3, 2018 12:36:25 GMT
Bielsa would be a right laugh I'd love see a 3313 formation Butland Edwards - Zouma - Pieters Adam - Allen - New Midfielder Shaqiri Ramdan - Diouf - Choupo Moting Fuck me 😂 they would blow a gasket after 10 minutes the shape our super dupa coaching team have our lot in. We'd get pummeled
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 3, 2018 12:42:19 GMT
You could say the same about any manager. QPR fans would have given Hughes a piggy back here. Allardyce, moyes, Hodgson, all not good enough for little old stoke on this message board. All have holes, anybody we are likely to attract will. It's a joke. If o Neil & keane couldn't train, organise and motivate this group better than Hughes & co and get better results I'd eat my own shit Hughes had success with Blackburn and Fulham in the relatively recent past though. I’d have taken Allardyce or Hodgson as well. All of them had actually done a decent job somewhere in the last five years or so. Reading this board you'd of been forgiven for thinking Allardyce, Hodgson and moyes were the anti Christ. Same with o neil. Just not good enough for little old stoke we want a wet behind the ears manager in a sharp suit because it's fashionable. We deserve it, football snobbery. As for the board if no one is good enough in their opinion British made then you beg a van gaal, anceolotti, Eriksson or Capello to keep us up and offer them 10 million for doing so. There is absolutely no excuse for keeping Hughes, none. The club are shitting money & I'm not having any of the 4 above can't do a better job short term tga n Hughes is doing through simple organisation , fresh ideas, motivation and effective training
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2018 13:20:49 GMT
Hughes had success with Blackburn and Fulham in the relatively recent past though. I’d have taken Allardyce or Hodgson as well. All of them had actually done a decent job somewhere in the last five years or so. Reading this board you'd of been forgiven for thinking Allardyce, Hodgson and moyes were the anti Christ. Same with o neil. Just not good enough for little old stoke we want a wet behind the ears manager in a sharp suit because it's fashionable. We deserve it, football snobbery. As for the board if no one is good enough in their opinion British made then you beg a van gaal, anceolotti, Eriksson or Capello to keep us up and offer them 10 million for doing so. There is absolutely no excuse for keeping Hughes, none. The club are shitting money & I'm not having any of the 4 above can't do a better job short term tga n Hughes is doing through simple organisation , fresh ideas, motivation and effective training Some massive generalisations there. You can’t lump O’Neill in with that lot as they’ve all had success more recently. I’d have had Allardyce or Hodgson - they’re decent mid-level managers. Ancelotti wouldn’t touch us with a barge pole. Sven is like O’Neill, finished at this level. Capello too.
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Post by miggo on Jan 3, 2018 13:35:22 GMT
Yet again Wiki being used to prove an argument. When will people learn that Wiki is a public site and can be updated by anyone, it's not proof of any kind as it could have been written by MON himself. Yet again I find myself in total and utter disbelief that people take anything written on the internet as fact just because it's in written form. Really? Point out the faults in it? They are facts, from league finishes to cup finals & European football. Don't see many villa fans rewriting history on there do you? Fuck it let's stick with lacklustre les as our fans are as indecisive as our board 😑🔫 I'm not suggesting the actual stats are incorrect but it doesn't tell you the whole truth does it? If you wrote a summary of Pulis time at stoke it would be similarly decent reading based on league finishes and cup runs and many would question why we got rid of him. Wiki suggests nothing around style of play, relationships with players, fans, staff, transfer business etc. You can't just put league finishes down on a piece of paper and say he'd be great based on 10% of the detail. And I'm pro MON by the way he's one of the only names I think wouldn't be too bad. I'm just not sure why a stoke fan would question a villa fan on the finer details when he obviously knows more about it than you do having been at those games and a supporter of that club it's bizarre behaviour.
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Post by staffsvilla on Jan 3, 2018 13:45:12 GMT
Really? Point out the faults in it? They are facts, from league finishes to cup finals & European football. Don't see many villa fans rewriting history on there do you? Fuck it let's stick with lacklustre les as our fans are as indecisive as our board 😑🔫 I'm not suggesting the actual stats are incorrect but it doesn't tell you the whole truth does it? If you wrote a summary of Pulis time at stoke it would be similarly decent reading based on league finishes and cup runs and many would question why we got rid of him. Wiki suggests nothing around style of play, relationships with players, fans, staff, transfer business etc. You can't just put league finishes down on a piece of paper and say he'd be great based on 10% of the detail. And I'm pro MON by the way he's one of the only names I think wouldn't be too bad. I'm just not sure why a stoke fan would question a villa fan on the finer details when he obviously knows more about it than you do having been at those games and a supporter of that club it's bizarre behaviour. Very bizarre
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