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Allen
Jan 2, 2018 21:43:11 GMT
Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 2, 2018 21:43:11 GMT
Why oh dear? Shaq should be the number 10. He's not and why? So we can accommodate Joe Allen. He was never needed. It lead to Bojan leaving and now it could leave to Shaq leaving. Ace. What is the midfield without Allen, then?
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Allen
Jan 2, 2018 21:43:51 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 2, 2018 21:43:51 GMT
20 million he will be gone Bollocks. We resisted a similar bid in the summer by Swansea flush with Siggurdson money and with the lure of returning to his home town club. We're not going to sell him now especially to West Ham. Bollocks or not he will be gone in this window
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Allen
Jan 2, 2018 21:46:55 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2018 21:46:55 GMT
Why oh dear? Shaq should be the number 10. He's not and why? So we can accommodate Joe Allen. He was never needed. It lead to Bojan leaving and now it could leave to Shaq leaving. Ace. The headless joe comments don’t really deserve a response. Clearly you have no idea so sometimes it’s best to politely smile and not give someone the satisfaction of a response He's a headless chicken. He runs around chasing the ball like a puppy. He's a rich man's Dean Whitehead.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 2, 2018 21:47:18 GMT
Bollocks. As I said earlier, we got overrun long before Allen got here, with Whelan and N'Zonzi. He's our best midfielder by a mile. We get overrun every week now. Defensively yesterday none of them were anywhere. None of them are good enough. Allen happens to be the best of a bad lot. Do we get overrun every week because of Joe Allen? I very much doubt that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2018 21:50:18 GMT
Why oh dear? Shaq should be the number 10. He's not and why? So we can accommodate Joe Allen. He was never needed. It lead to Bojan leaving and now it could leave to Shaq leaving. Ace. What is the midfield without Allen, then? I'd play him in one of the deeper roles now we have him but he can't really do it. He was never needed though with what we had which was players that would play in the box to box role or number 10. We'd spent 18m in the summer previously on one. It just seemed daft. And alas we've got worse since he joined. I think he's a big part of that. And yes he is the best midfielder we have but my God that just shows how shite it is. I wanted a new midfield in the summer. I want a new midfield now.
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Allen
Jan 2, 2018 21:50:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 21:50:21 GMT
Hes been the one shining light in a awful season. With fletcher next to him he’s ran the midfield on his own which ultimately has been a big part of the reason we are where we are The midfield is still a shower of shit with him in it and indeed he creates a lot of the problems we have in there. So you'd drop him for who then?
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Allen
Jan 2, 2018 21:50:51 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2018 21:50:51 GMT
We get overrun every week now. Defensively yesterday none of them were anywhere. None of them are good enough. Allen happens to be the best of a bad lot. Do we get overrun every week because of Joe Allen? I very much doubt that. He leaves loads of gaps. He also can't keep shape.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 21:51:53 GMT
The headless joe comments don’t really deserve a response. Clearly you have no idea so sometimes it’s best to politely smile and not give someone the satisfaction of a response He's a headless chicken. He runs around chasing the ball like a puppy. He's a rich man's Dean Whitehead. one of your best yet.
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Allen
Jan 2, 2018 21:53:27 GMT
Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 2, 2018 21:53:27 GMT
Do we get overrun every week because of Joe Allen? I very much doubt that. He leaves loads of gaps. He also can't keep shape. He leaves loads of gaps because no fucker else has any energy or work rate. He's carrying the midfield. Put Zonze in there and we'd be fine.
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Allen
Jan 2, 2018 22:01:04 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2018 22:01:04 GMT
The midfield is still a shower of shit with him in it and indeed he creates a lot of the problems we have in there. So you'd drop him for who then? I wouldn't and haven't said I would. He's the best of a bad bunch. To say he isn't part of the problem is wrong though.
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Allen
Jan 2, 2018 22:03:14 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2018 22:03:14 GMT
He leaves loads of gaps. He also can't keep shape. He leaves loads of gaps because no fucker else has any energy or work rate. He's carrying the midfield. Put Zonze in there and we'd be fine. Yeah so he goes off on his headless running and leaves gaps that others have to fill in. That's shite. They all have to press or he has to hold his position. He can't do that and he can get away with it is as a number 10. But having Joe Allen as your number 10 is just depresssing.
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Post by pottermouth on Jan 2, 2018 22:08:44 GMT
The midfield is still a shower of shit with him in it and indeed he creates a lot of the problems we have in there. Allen creates the problems? Really? Look alongside him for the problem. A cart horse who is so far off the pace it’s embarrassing. The team has half a dozen problems but Allen isn’t one of them Fletcher is the midfield problem. He’s past it. Shouldn’t be near a Premier League side now.
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Allen
Jan 2, 2018 22:10:35 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2018 22:10:35 GMT
Allen creates the problems? Really? Look alongside him for the problem. A cart horse who is so far off the pace it’s embarrassing. The team has half a dozen problems but Allen isn’t one of them Fletcher is the midfield problem. He’s past it. Shouldn’t be near a Premier League side now. Oh he's a massive problem. But he wasn't the problem last season. I guess that was Whelan? Funny how Allen gets away with it because he runs around a lot.
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Allen
Jan 2, 2018 22:10:59 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jan 2, 2018 22:10:59 GMT
Allen creates the problems? Really? Look alongside him for the problem. A cart horse who is so far off the pace it’s embarrassing. The team has half a dozen problems but Allen isn’t one of them Fletcher is the midfield problem. He’s past it. Shouldn’t be near a Premier League side now. Cameron was just as bad on Saturday. Allen apart our entire midfield are over 30 & look it. Charlie had a good game. We are desperate for at least one new, younger/faster midfielder. No idea who.
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Post by maine on Jan 2, 2018 22:12:33 GMT
I wondered when the 'headless chicken' reference was going to re-emerge. Don't people get that Joe is desperately trying to fill gaps and move into spaces others don't or can't?
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Allen
Jan 2, 2018 22:26:25 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2018 22:26:25 GMT
I wondered when the 'headless chicken' reference was going to re-emerge. Don't people get that Joe is desperately trying to fill gaps and move into spaces others don't or can't? He then leaves a massive gap of his own. Not good is it? He also can't keep shape. Players he tries to be an obstacle to get goal side of him every time and then have a run at the defence. He can't stay behind the ball. It's so annoying. Yes he isn't helped but our midfield being awol is because of Allen as much as it is because of anyone else in there.
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Post by philm87 on Jan 2, 2018 22:34:15 GMT
What is the midfield without Allen, then? I'd play him in one of the deeper roles now we have him but he can't really do it. He was never needed though with what we had which was players that would play in the box to box role or number 10. We'd spent 18m in the summer previously on one. It just seemed daft. And alas we've got worse since he joined. I think he's a big part of that. And yes he is the best midfielder we have but my God that just shows how shite it is. I wanted a new midfield in the summer. I want a new midfield now. It was a strange signing at the time, but Allen is a quality player and would easily fit into most Prem sides outside the top six. Right now his departure would be the worst possible thing for us and guarantee relegation.
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Allen
Jan 2, 2018 22:56:59 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2018 22:56:59 GMT
I'd play him in one of the deeper roles now we have him but he can't really do it. He was never needed though with what we had which was players that would play in the box to box role or number 10. We'd spent 18m in the summer previously on one. It just seemed daft. And alas we've got worse since he joined. I think he's a big part of that. And yes he is the best midfielder we have but my God that just shows how shite it is. I wanted a new midfield in the summer. I want a new midfield now. It was a strange signing at the time, but Allen is a quality player and would easily fit into most Prem sides outside the top six. Right now his departure would be the worst possible thing for us and guarantee relegation. I think we're going down anyway. I think 30m would help us more than Joe Allen to fight that. Obviously using that correctly is the issue. But I'd try it if it meant 2 new central midfielders. It's not going to happen in a million years though.
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 2, 2018 23:20:23 GMT
Selling Allen is a no go it would send out the wrong message & deflate the squad (further). Fuck me they'd need counselling.
Tell them to fuck off like we mean it
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Allen
Jan 2, 2018 23:26:19 GMT
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 2, 2018 23:26:19 GMT
So you'd drop him for who then? I wouldn't and haven't said I would. He's the best of a bad bunch. To say he isn't part of the problem is wrong though. Can I just say that Joe Allen doesn’t pick himself or choose where he plays. It’s the clown in charge at fault for that. Shaqiri playing anywhere other than number 10 is a sackable offence in its own right.
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Allen
Jan 2, 2018 23:27:53 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 2, 2018 23:27:53 GMT
Fletcher is the midfield problem. He’s past it. Shouldn’t be near a Premier League side now. Oh he's a massive problem. But he wasn't the problem last season. I guess that was Whelan? Funny how Allen gets away with it because he runs around a lot. We got twatted many times with Whelan. I don't know what the problem is, but to put it down to Allen is a bit rich.
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Allen
Jan 2, 2018 23:30:24 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2018 23:30:24 GMT
I wouldn't and haven't said I would. He's the best of a bad bunch. To say he isn't part of the problem is wrong though. Can I just say that Joe Allen doesn’t pick himself or choose where he plays. It’s the clown in charge at fault for that. Shaqiri playing anywhere other than number 10 is a sackable offence in its own right. He doesn't but I won't have that such an experienced professional footballer can't stay goal side of the bloke he's trying to keep away from our goal. That's what really pisses me off with him. He'll be in position, their player is running at him and then all of a sudden Allen is the wrong side of him.
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Allen
Jan 2, 2018 23:32:35 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2018 23:32:35 GMT
Oh he's a massive problem. But he wasn't the problem last season. I guess that was Whelan? Funny how Allen gets away with it because he runs around a lot. We got twatted many times with Whelan. I don't know what the problem is, but to put it down to Allen is a bit rich. I haven't put it down to Allen. He's part of the problem as I've said. His problem is the headless chicken act and that contributes to the overall midfield problem Ie we haven't got one.
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Allen
Jan 2, 2018 23:34:08 GMT
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 2, 2018 23:34:08 GMT
Can I just say that Joe Allen doesn’t pick himself or choose where he plays. It’s the clown in charge at fault for that. Shaqiri playing anywhere other than number 10 is a sackable offence in its own right. He doesn't but I won't have that such an experienced professional footballer can't stay goal side of the bloke he's trying to keep away from our goal. That's what really pisses me off with him. He'll be in position, their player is running at him and then all of a sudden Allen is the wrong side of him. I completely agree with what you’re saying mate, totally. He ruins the whole shape of the team when we’ve not got the ball because he’s not disciplined enough to stay goal side. Isn’t that what the coaching staff should be trying to coach him on the training pitch? He’s had some belting performances for wales where he’s managed it, solid as a rock. It’s almost as if he’s told not too because he’s the only one in our team with the legs to pressurise teams. Bit of a catch 22 because we sit far too deep as it is through not putting any pressure on the ball and without him we’d sit even deeper. Might as well play the entire 90 minutes in our third.
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Allen
Jan 2, 2018 23:34:39 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 2, 2018 23:34:39 GMT
He's the best we've got, and thats not saying much, he works hard etc but I don't think he'd be hard to replace if needs be.
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Allen
Jan 2, 2018 23:38:52 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 2, 2018 23:38:52 GMT
We got twatted many times with Whelan. I don't know what the problem is, but to put it down to Allen is a bit rich. I haven't put it down to Allen. He's part of the problem as I've said. His problem is the headless chicken act and that contributes to the overall midfield problem Ie we haven't got one. I agree with you that our midfield is wank. I honestly think Allen should be a part of a good midfield, though. I think he is a good midfielder, who needs a Dembele or Lemima with him.
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Allen
Jan 2, 2018 23:39:44 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2018 23:39:44 GMT
He doesn't but I won't have that such an experienced professional footballer can't stay goal side of the bloke he's trying to keep away from our goal. That's what really pisses me off with him. He'll be in position, their player is running at him and then all of a sudden Allen is the wrong side of him. I completely agree with what you’re saying mate, totally. He ruins the whole shape of the team when we’ve not got the ball because he’s not disciplined enough to stay goal side. Isn’t that what the coaching staff should be trying to coach him on the training pitch? He’s had some belting performances for wales where he’s managed it, solid as a rock. It’s almost as if he’s told not too because he’s the only one in our team with the legs to pressurise teams. Bit of a catch 22 because we sit far too deep as it is through not putting any pressure on the ball and without him we’d sit even deeper. Might as well play the entire 90 minutes in our third. Again it is but is it something he's been doing all of his career? I've never rated him and that was part of my not arsedness when he signed but he's shown me nothing to change that. He's actually down in my estimations, which tbh doesn't usually happen! 😂
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Allen
Jan 2, 2018 23:41:08 GMT
Post by kidcrewbob on Jan 2, 2018 23:41:08 GMT
Joe is one of only 3 players currently at Stoke who would have no trouble whatsoever in finding another decent Premier club - Jack and Shaq being the other 2 - to sell him would put the top hat on it all.......
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2018 23:41:10 GMT
I haven't put it down to Allen. He's part of the problem as I've said. His problem is the headless chicken act and that contributes to the overall midfield problem Ie we haven't got one. I agree with you that our midfield is wank. I honestly think Allen should be a part of a good midfield, though. I think he is a good midfielder, who needs a Dembele or Lemima with him. Two players who I'd want playing the role I'd want Allen playing, which is box to box. I'd have him on the bench 😂
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Jan 2, 2018 23:41:30 GMT
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Post by Onneravineet on Jan 2, 2018 23:41:30 GMT
If Brendan comes he wunner go anyweer
Brendan wunner come so he may be off. £30million, no less.
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