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Allen
Jan 2, 2018 23:45:21 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 2, 2018 23:45:21 GMT
I agree with you that our midfield is wank. I honestly think Allen should be a part of a good midfield, though. I think he is a good midfielder, who needs a Dembele or Lemima with him. Two players who I'd want playing the role I'd want Allen playing, which is box to box. I'd have him on the bench 😂 At one point we might have signed either....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2018 23:47:48 GMT
Two players who I'd want playing the role I'd want Allen playing, which is box to box. I'd have him on the bench 😂 At one point we might have signed either.... Let's be honest, we should have signed Lemina. But it would have still meant we have no real DM. It's a mess.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 2, 2018 23:54:09 GMT
At one point we might have signed either.... Let's be honest, we should have signed Lemina. But it would have still meant we have no real DM. It's a mess. Agreed. Happy New Year, mate.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2018 23:55:46 GMT
Let's be honest, we should have signed Lemina. But it would have still meant we have no real DM. It's a mess. Agreed. Happy New Year, mate. Happy new year to you too. It is harsh on Allen I know because he is trying damndest which is more that can be said of most but I just can't let it slide! 😂
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jan 3, 2018 0:06:12 GMT
Agreed. Happy New Year, mate. Happy new year to you too. It is harsh on Allen I know because he is trying damndest which is more that can be said of most but I just can't let it slide! 😂 Him and the calcium deficient one linked up well at the Euros and he was very much the defensive one. You could understand why Sparky wanted the player, but at the time I didn't think he was needed and he was first name on the team sheet at the expense of our shape.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 3, 2018 14:49:50 GMT
It's a safe bet that if they (WHU or anyone else for that matter)come in with a decent offer our cheapskate owners will snatch their hands off then go looking in the Dutch second division for a free replacement. Gouranga.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 3, 2018 14:59:56 GMT
Selling Joe Allen would be tantamount to waving the white flag. We cannot sell any of our three key assets this January. I fully expect Butland and Shaqiri to go in June but for now they have to stay.
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Post by TexasPotter on Jan 3, 2018 15:00:14 GMT
My favorite this season, gives his all in a sea of shit tbh. Our injuries haven’t lent us to have a midfield three like the one we had versus WBA, often our cbs are made of glass this last 18 mos and with no new fullbacks a midfield controller and a lack of any real striker uptop have done us in.
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Allen
Jan 3, 2018 15:05:56 GMT
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jan 3, 2018 15:05:56 GMT
In today's game the players hold the power if any of our players get their heads turned whether it's allen, jack or shaq they will get their way and get their move,
Looking. At shaq's recent performances it wouldn't surprise me if he hasn't been tapped up for a January move,
Hopefully no one comes in for either Joe or jack and we keep them till end of season, to have them leave is like waving the white flag of surrender on our season.
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Allen
Jan 3, 2018 15:11:32 GMT
Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 3, 2018 15:11:32 GMT
At one point we might have signed either.... Let's be honest, we should have signed Lemina. But it would have still meant we have no real DM. It's a mess. He has hardly been pulling up trees with Southampton though has he ? They have a few players I would like here but it doesnt seem they are putting much more of a shift in than our lot
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2018 15:14:16 GMT
Let's be honest, we should have signed Lemina. But it would have still meant we have no real DM. It's a mess. He has hardly been pulling up trees with Southampton though has he ? They have a few players I would like here but it doesnt seem they are putting much more of a shift in than our lot From the bits I've seen he's played ok. They've got no one to stick the ball in the back of the net and have just lost one of the best cbs in the league too. I'd love their midfield.
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Allen
Jan 3, 2018 15:33:14 GMT
Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 3, 2018 15:33:14 GMT
He has hardly been pulling up trees with Southampton though has he ? They have a few players I would like here but it doesnt seem they are putting much more of a shift in than our lot From the bits I've seen he's played ok. They've got no one to stick the ball in the back of the net and have just lost one of the best cbs in the league too. I'd love their midfield. i like the look of them but at Spurs they were very lazy like our lot , just think we need a few battlers to get out of the shit we are in
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Allen
Jan 3, 2018 22:09:29 GMT
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 3, 2018 22:09:29 GMT
In today's game the players hold the power if any of our players get their heads turned whether it's allen, jack or shaq they will get their way and get their move, Looking. At shaq's recent performances it wouldn't surprise me if he hasn't been tapped up for a January move, Hopefully no one comes in for either Joe or jack and we keep them till end of season, to have them leave is like waving the white flag of surrender on our season. That’s one issue with our team I believe, too many don’t give a shit. I believe most do care but we have too many that don’t and possibly a lack of ‘old pros’ to lead the dressing room.
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Allen
Jan 3, 2018 22:12:48 GMT
Post by Pugsley on Jan 3, 2018 22:12:48 GMT
He has hardly been pulling up trees with Southampton though has he ? They have a few players I would like here but it doesnt seem they are putting much more of a shift in than our lot From the bits I've seen he's played ok. They've got no one to stick the ball in the back of the net and have just lost one of the best cbs in the league too. I'd love their midfield. A midfield that he's been in and out of. And they have the same points as us.
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Post by philm87 on Jan 4, 2018 15:48:03 GMT
It was a strange signing at the time, but Allen is a quality player and would easily fit into most Prem sides outside the top six. Right now his departure would be the worst possible thing for us and guarantee relegation. I think we're going down anyway. I think 30m would help us more than Joe Allen to fight that. Obviously using that correctly is the issue. But I'd try it if it meant 2 new central midfielders. It's not going to happen in a million years though. Too risky. We know what we are getting with Allen. A committed player who puts in a shift week in week out and does not bottle it under pressure. A guy who is capable of putting in good work at both ends of the pitch, who has good touch, balance, and passing ability and is proven at this level. There is a reason Moyes is after him. Buy two new midfielders and there is no guarantee either would hit the ground running. We saw what happened with Imbula and none of us really trust Hughes and Co when it comes to transfers. It makes far more sense to keep Allen. If someone offers 30 million in the summer, then maybe we might consider the offer, but right now he is one of the small number of players who will hopefully keep us up.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 4, 2018 15:51:42 GMT
I think we're going down anyway. I think 30m would help us more than Joe Allen to fight that. Obviously using that correctly is the issue. But I'd try it if it meant 2 new central midfielders. It's not going to happen in a million years though. Too risky. We know what we are getting with Allen. A committed player who puts in a shift week in week out and does not bottle it under pressure. A guy who is capable of putting in good work at both ends of the pitch, who has good touch, balance, and passing ability and is proven at this level. There is a reason Moyes is after him. Buy two new midfielders and there is no guarantee either would hit the ground running. We saw what happened with Imbula and none of us really trust Hughes and Co when it comes to transfers. It makes far more sense to keep Allen. If someone offers 30 million in the summer, then maybe we might consider the offer, but right now he is one of the small number of players who will hopefully keep us up. I don't think Allen can be trusted defensively. Hence why he's been best for us as a number 10. Which is sad.
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Allen
Jan 4, 2018 16:22:50 GMT
Post by stokeyank on Jan 4, 2018 16:22:50 GMT
Too risky. We know what we are getting with Allen. A committed player who puts in a shift week in week out and does not bottle it under pressure. A guy who is capable of putting in good work at both ends of the pitch, who has good touch, balance, and passing ability and is proven at this level. There is a reason Moyes is after him. Buy two new midfielders and there is no guarantee either would hit the ground running. We saw what happened with Imbula and none of us really trust Hughes and Co when it comes to transfers. It makes far more sense to keep Allen. If someone offers 30 million in the summer, then maybe we might consider the offer, but right now he is one of the small number of players who will hopefully keep us up. I don't think Allen can be trusted defensively. Hence why he's been best for us as a number 10. Which is sad. I'm conflicted on that. The fact that he works so hard and runs around to me is not a good thing as a number 10 and part of the reason the midfield looks so poor (the other part is we have no other decent midfielders right now, save Cameron 1 game out of 3). A number 10 needs to be part the main part of the connection for defense to move the ball forward, and with Joe running all over no one ever knows where the hell he may be at any point. The other part is that area of the field should be where a number 10 at least slows the counter or forward movement of the opposition defense. Again as he runs around it leaves big gaps there. It kills any shape or momentum to me. I agree that he is a question defensively but I do not think where he is playing now is helping at all. Have seen him do very well in games and I do like him, I just don't know that number 10 is the best position. Not sure he is what we need right now as first choice. (Was going to cite a stat about Messi and how much he runs, but lets not compare how we play to Barca!)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 4, 2018 16:29:16 GMT
I don't think Allen can be trusted defensively. Hence why he's been best for us as a number 10. Which is sad. I'm conflicted on that. The fact that he works so hard and runs around to me is not a good thing as a number 10 and part of the reason the midfield looks so poor (the other part is we have no other decent midfielders right now, save Cameron 1 game out of 3). A number 10 needs to be part the main part of the connection for defense to move the ball forward, and with Joe running all over no one ever knows where the hell he may be at any point. The other part is that area of the field should be where a number 10 at least slows the counter or forward movement of the opposition defense. Again as he runs around it leaves big gaps there. It kills any shape or momentum to me. I agree that he is a question defensively but I do not think where he is playing now is helping at all. Have seen him do very well in games and I do like him, I just don't know that number 10 is the best position. Not sure he is what we need right now as first choice. (Was going to cite a stat about Messi and how much he runs, but lets not compare how we play to Barca!) I don't like him there but for us his best performances have come in that position. I agree with your post, I don't want him playing there.
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Allen
Jan 4, 2018 16:57:48 GMT
Post by waddosspirit on Jan 4, 2018 16:57:48 GMT
Nobody was slagging Allen off when he had his scoring run last season as a number 10. He is not perfect but he is the only one who looks to get a run into the box and actually anticipate where the ball will drop. Shaq tries to set people up but nobody makes a run so i think Hughes is trying to accomadate both but this is detracting from the defensive side of our game
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Allen
Jan 4, 2018 16:59:03 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 4, 2018 16:59:03 GMT
Nobody was slagging Allen off when he had his scoring run last season as a number 10. He is not perfect but he is the only one who looks to get a run into the box and actually anticipate where the ball will drop. Shaq tries to set people up but nobody makes a run so i think Hughes is trying to accomadate both but this is detracting from the defensive side of our game Loads of people were.
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Allen
Jan 4, 2018 17:05:12 GMT
Post by waddosspirit on Jan 4, 2018 17:05:12 GMT
From your previous posts i would suggest that they are a miserable lot who sit round you if they moan when somebody is scoring
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Allen
Jan 4, 2018 17:08:15 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 4, 2018 17:08:15 GMT
From your previous posts i would suggest that they are a miserable lot who sit round you if they moan when somebody is scoring Why? The goals were great but he didn't link the play like you want a number 10 doing. It was a problem. It still is.
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Allen
Jan 4, 2018 17:45:25 GMT
Post by waddosspirit on Jan 4, 2018 17:45:25 GMT
Perhaps somebody else could step up there are other players on the pitch. The aim of the game is to score goals and if you find someone who gets on the end of things you get other people to supply and others to cover for them
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Allen
Jan 4, 2018 19:04:31 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 4, 2018 19:04:31 GMT
From your previous posts i would suggest that they are a miserable lot who sit round you if they moan when somebody is scoring They were probably pointing out why he shouldn't be playing at number 10, personally I don't think we have a place for him in this side with the way he plays, but unfortunately we're desperate.
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Post by philm87 on Jan 4, 2018 19:58:11 GMT
I don't think Allen can be trusted defensively. Hence why he's been best for us as a number 10. Which is sad. I'm conflicted on that. The fact that he works so hard and runs around to me is not a good thing as a number 10 and part of the reason the midfield looks so poor (the other part is we have no other decent midfielders right now, save Cameron 1 game out of 3). A number 10 needs to be part the main part of the connection for defense to move the ball forward, and with Joe running all over no one ever knows where the hell he may be at any point. The other part is that area of the field should be where a number 10 at least slows the counter or forward movement of the opposition defense. Again as he runs around it leaves big gaps there. It kills any shape or momentum to me. I agree that he is a question defensively but I do not think where he is playing now is helping at all. Have seen him do very well in games and I do like him, I just don't know that number 10 is the best position. Not sure he is what we need right now as first choice. (Was going to cite a stat about Messi and how much he runs, but lets not compare how we play to Barca!) Well he is not a holding midfield player no, but that is hardly his fault. He can put in a tackle though and he is decent all round in central midfield. We need someone alongside him who can operate in that defensive role, a type of Whelan-upgrade that Fletcher so clearly is not. As for the reason he was deployed further forward, I think that had more to do with Bojan being inconsistent and unwilling to put in a shift and Allen himself discovering a patch of goal-scoring form. It is more a sign of his versatility than a sign of his weakness.
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Allen
Jan 9, 2018 16:39:00 GMT
Post by mistergumby on Jan 9, 2018 16:39:00 GMT
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Allen
Jan 9, 2018 16:42:58 GMT
Post by nott1 on Jan 9, 2018 16:42:58 GMT
Stoke have already said they're not selling him!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 9, 2018 16:47:46 GMT
Celtic simply can't afford him for a starters.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 9, 2018 16:53:08 GMT
Celtic simply can't afford him for a starters. What about a straight swap for their manager + Dembele? 😜
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Allen
Jan 10, 2018 10:42:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 10:42:56 GMT
He should be captain, at times he looks like he only player on the field who actually gives a shit.
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