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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 19:29:26 GMT
The Board could also wonder if the way that they are managing the system of "self sufficiency" is actually working. Maybe the experts in the transfer market aren't quite up to the job?
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Post by Sfance on Jan 3, 2018 19:34:17 GMT
These are not stupid people. They see what everybody else sees. But not everyone else knows what they know.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 3, 2018 19:39:02 GMT
These are not stupid people. They see what everybody else sees. But not everyone else knows what they know. Coates coming out with the shit he has in recent weeks would suggest otherwise.
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Post by samwidge on Jan 3, 2018 19:40:21 GMT
Maybe the board are just tightarses , and are putting their fingers in their ears and aren't bothered. The most expensive decision for them would be to sack Les , and appoint someone new and have to give them a war chest. Maybe therefore they'll continue with the cheapest option and keep there filthy lucre in their pockets , exactly where they want it .
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Post by Sfance on Jan 3, 2018 19:41:26 GMT
That just doesn't make sense. The much more reasonable explanation is that there is something in play that we know nothing about.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 3, 2018 19:53:32 GMT
These are not stupid people. They see what everybody else sees. But not everyone else knows what they know. Coates coming out with the shit he has in recent weeks would suggest otherwise. What is said in public is very often not what is being said in private or what the people making the statement believe. All companies and people in the public eye attempt to manipulate the news.
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Post by riproaring on Jan 3, 2018 19:55:17 GMT
Dave what’s your view on Scholes & Cartwright choosing these signings not Hughes (Imbula wimmer etc) How do you know that Scholes and Cartwright made these signing? I don’t know, it’s was being banded around as much
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Post by adamsson on Jan 3, 2018 19:57:41 GMT
Being honest, it’s already too late. The Board should have done it by now if they were going to make a change. Dithering only reinforces: 1. The Board had NOT considered this may be needed = zero succession planning or foresight. 2. In not suspecting this would happen tells me that they did not recognise the regression that has been blatantly obvious to the masses for some time now. How outnof touch can they be? 3. With no DIRECT statement, the Board are misreading the situation and therefore seem to have no affinity with the fan base, who are genuinely concerned. 4. The Board can only do two things. Back him or Sack him. To do NOTHING in the face of the biggest unrest for 20 years does not fill me full of confidence. The above concerns me as the problem could be deep rooted. If we somehow scrape survival I think Coates Snr will step aside with a massive sigh of relief. Back Him = Say so and ship £50m in a January. Sack Him = Do it and ship £50m in January. Compensation to a potential club, if we take a manager in employment + The New Manager and their team’s wage is the ONLY difference in outlay. Keep him and spend nothing in January and cash Butland, Allen and Shaq in the summer. Kerching
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 3, 2018 19:59:46 GMT
That just doesn't make sense. The much more reasonable explanation is that there is something in play that we know nothing about. I suspect there is a lot we do not know about and will not until the Board judge that the time is right, if that time ever comes. Still believe that the choice is between sacking Hughes now or in summer, really don't see him surviving. For me it depends when a replacement they judge suitable becomes available
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 3, 2018 20:09:33 GMT
We are run by a betting company. They've assessed the odds (stick or twist) and decided to stick. No one knows the outcome of either decision and anyone who says one option or the other will result in a better outcome is basically a liar or an idiot, If we go down they made the wrong decision and if we stay up they made the right decision - and the appropriate parties can gloat accordingly.
Given the results over Xmas I would have gone for twist - but I'm not daft enough or that convinced of my own opinion to think that bigging up my decision is that important.
I hope the club have got it right - and I'm behind the team regardless of my particular take on what decision should have been made.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 3, 2018 20:12:02 GMT
We are run by a betting company. They've assessed the odds (stick or twist) and decided to stick. No one knows the outcome of either decision and anyone who says one option or the other will result in a better outcome is basically a liar or an idiot, If we go down they made the wrong decision and if we stay up they made the right decision - and the appropriate parties can gloat accordingly. Given the results over Xmas I would have gone for twist - but I'm not daft enough or that convinced of my own opinion to think that bigging up my decision is that important. I hope the club have got it right - and I'm behind the team regardless of my particular take on what decision should have been made. How do you know they've decided to stick? There's been complete radio silence from them.
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Post by likelyladgalizmo on Jan 3, 2018 20:14:23 GMT
Still no statement from the Joke of a club?
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Post by Sfance on Jan 3, 2018 20:19:15 GMT
Perhaps when Hughes finally leaves, he’ll do a Steve Bannon and write a kiss and tell book. Should be a big seller in Stoke.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 3, 2018 20:25:33 GMT
We are run by a betting company. They've assessed the odds (stick or twist) and decided to stick. No one knows the outcome of either decision and anyone who says one option or the other will result in a better outcome is basically a liar or an idiot, If we go down they made the wrong decision and if we stay up they made the right decision - and the appropriate parties can gloat accordingly. Given the results over Xmas I would have gone for twist - but I'm not daft enough or that convinced of my own opinion to think that bigging up my decision is that important. I hope the club have got it right - and I'm behind the team regardless of my particular take on what decision should have been made. Nothing to do with odds or betting companies knowing outcomes, they make money whatever the outcome by balancing the books so that they always pay out less than they take in. There is however a system of mathematics based on the theory of probability; like you say not an accurate prediction,but one which uses past results to predict the future. Based on our results and statistics it would be more likely for them to be repeated unless something major changes. It's anyones guess but history suggests that continuing to do the same thing repeatedly will result in the same outcome. Hughes has been doing the same thing for 18 months and doesn't appear to recognise the need for change.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 20:33:15 GMT
I've never been convinced that mathematical probability theory applies to football.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 20:33:40 GMT
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Post by march4 on Jan 3, 2018 20:34:41 GMT
Perhaps when Hughes finally leaves, he’ll do a Steve Bannon and write a kiss and tell book. Should be a big seller in Stoke. It will have six Chapter 5s, none of which are complete, no Chapter 2 or Chapter 3 and a Chapter 9 that is just blank pages.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 20:36:08 GMT
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Post by captainmainwaring on Jan 3, 2018 20:37:22 GMT
Still no statement from the Joke of a club? I suspect the board have nothing to tell us at the moment, unless you think they should give us a running commentary on what's happening.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 3, 2018 20:39:38 GMT
Perhaps when Hughes finally leaves, he’ll do a Steve Bannon and write a kiss and tell book. Should be a big seller in Stoke. It would have to be an audio style book for Stoke
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 3, 2018 20:41:47 GMT
I've never been convinced that mathematical probability theory applies to football. Totally agree if attempting to predict individual games but reasonably useful for predicting trends. It is impossible to predict the future but it can act to improve guesses.
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Post by johnmarshcardschool on Jan 3, 2018 20:42:24 GMT
It's a complete fuck up at all levels. Nobody escapes with any integrity. We've been regressing for fucking ages and the least you'd expect from senior management would be to start preparing for a change in manager. We should have been having conversations in the background and finding out who was interested and available. In this day and age it's even easy to tap up managers who are already in work. Informal conversations with agents or "friends of friends" should have been ongoing for months, to set the wheels in motion should the downward spiral continue, so that we were ready to act. We're just sleepwalking into fucking disaster. It hasn't happened overnight. We've failed to prepare for something which has been coming for a long fucking time. Week in week out Hughes keeps telling us "we're ok" and that the owners "understand what we're trying to do here" and I always assumed it was a smoke screen. Its looking more and more like that he was actually giving a fair reflection of what has been going on and what those in charge truly believed. Everybody has seemingly been high fiving each other behind closed doors, safe in the assumption that things would just magically get better. That "we're doing ok". We've now missed various opportunities to get rid of the manager and start the recovery. It's now looking precariously like we've left it too late and we're standing around with our hands in our pockets as we head for oblivion. The actions and management of those higher up is every bit as incompetent as Hughes' management of the team itself. When will the radio silence end? When will we realise the magnitude of the situation we're in and take action? The silence is deafening. Totally agree - the silence is very deafening!
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 3, 2018 20:44:39 GMT
I've never been convinced that mathematical probability theory applies to football. It does when you can not mathematically gain enough points to survive, the trend is that we are in decline the facts are we are shipping goals like a sieve with a good group who the manager has told us he will improve us, fact is he is not delivering what is required to keep us up, fact is he has wasted £50 million on players he either does not trust or who are not good enough to improve a piss poor squad that he has built.
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Post by Northy on Jan 3, 2018 20:47:29 GMT
Dave what was Bowen referring to when he said there are Reasons for the calamitous defeats but now is not the time ? Could it be managers list of Gibbs , Maguire, Keane , zabaleta I said earlier a statement from the board would help,everyone including the media are guessing what the problems could be, a statement from the club would help to stop this. weve all been saying that for a couple of days.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 3, 2018 20:48:23 GMT
Sadly there is a possibility that having predicted our demise every season Benjaminbiscuit could be right this time.
Frightening thought.
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Post by nutterpotter on Jan 3, 2018 20:50:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 20:52:48 GMT
I've never been convinced that mathematical probability theory applies to football. Totally agree if attempting to predict individual games but reasonably useful for predicting trends. It is impossible to predict the future but it can act to improve guesses. I sort of agree. Mathematical probability is used in horse racing. I once (through sheer boredom) spent time watching Racing UK, and the other channel (whatever it's name is). On those channels there are some guys that are absolute genius egg heads (and I mean that in a complementary way). They analyse huge amounts of data, use probability theory and other mathematical models, and at the end of the day, mix it with gut feeling. The question must be though, why are they spending time propagating their theories on TV for money? If those theories worked, they would be somewhere else in the world soaking up the sun. But I get your point ....
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Post by shangamuzo on Jan 3, 2018 20:55:23 GMT
We are run by a betting company. They've assessed the odds (stick or twist) and decided to stick. No one knows the outcome of either decision and anyone who says one option or the other will result in a better outcome is basically a liar or an idiot, If we go down they made the wrong decision and if we stay up they made the right decision - and the appropriate parties can gloat accordingly. Given the results over Xmas I would have gone for twist - but I'm not daft enough or that convinced of my own opinion to think that bigging up my decision is that important. I hope the club have got it right - and I'm behind the team regardless of my particular take on what decision should have been made. Nothing to do with odds or betting companies knowing outcomes, they make money whatever the outcome by balancing the books so that they always pay out less than they take in. There is however a system of mathematics based on the theory of probability; like you say not an accurate prediction,but one which uses past results to predict the future. Based on our results and statistics it would be more likely for them to be repeated unless something major changes. It's anyones guess but history suggests that continuing to do the same thing repeatedly will result in the same outcome. Hughes has been doing the same thing for 18 months and doesn't appear to recognise the need for change. They don't ALWAYS balance the books, they lose on some events but win more often than not.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 3, 2018 21:29:57 GMT
Nothing to do with odds or betting companies knowing outcomes, they make money whatever the outcome by balancing the books so that they always pay out less than they take in. There is however a system of mathematics based on the theory of probability; like you say not an accurate prediction,but one which uses past results to predict the future. Based on our results and statistics it would be more likely for them to be repeated unless something major changes. It's anyones guess but history suggests that continuing to do the same thing repeatedly will result in the same outcome. Hughes has been doing the same thing for 18 months and doesn't appear to recognise the need for change. They don't ALWAYS balance the books, they lose on some events but win more often than not. Agreed they sometimes take a risk but it made the answer even more complicated 😊😊
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Post by estp1863 on Jan 3, 2018 21:43:29 GMT
Ast still hanging on in there Markus?! Respect, going fucking nowhere without thee pay off hey marra 🤣
Let's be honest, who would it's a lottery win figure
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