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Post by Gods on Dec 28, 2017 15:31:11 GMT
If you be £1 on Swansea to stay up and they do you get £6 back. You've lost me gods, 1/6 is about 18p return off a quid. Total return £1.18 including stake money That's because 1/6 are the odds on Swansea GOING DOWN. That's the way they are presented on Odds Checker from where I took them. The people who think this Carlos bloke will keep them up would therefore bet on Swansea STAYING UP hence you would approximately reverse the going down odds for that bet. It's pretty binary right, there only is staying up or going down and nothing in between. So these are roughly the STAYING UP odds: 6/1 Swansea Evens WBA 1/2 Bournemouth 2/5 Newcastle 2/5 Brighton 1/4 Stoke Short of setting it to music I'm not sure how else to explain it. In essence Swansea are 6x more likely to go down than stay up and Stoke are 4x more likely to stay up than go down. If you think Swansea will STAY UP put a £1 on it and get £6 back if they do, if you think Stoke will STAY UP put £1 on it and get £1.25 back if they do.
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Post by henry on Dec 28, 2017 15:35:39 GMT
My christmas wish - Gods to open a bookmakers in Stoke on trent
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Post by RAF on Dec 28, 2017 15:46:56 GMT
You've lost me gods, 1/6 is about 18p return off a quid. Total return £1.18 including stake money That's because 1/6 are the odds on Swansea GOING DOWN. That's the way they are presented on Odds Checker from where I took them. The people who think this Carlos bloke will keep them up would therefore bet on Swansea STAYING UP hence you would approximately reverse the going down odds for that bet. It's pretty binary right, there only is staying up or going down and nothing in between. So these are roughly the STAYING UP odds: 6/1 Swansea Evens WBA 1/2 Bournemouth 2/5 Newcastle 2/5 Brighton 1/4 Stoke Short of setting it to music I'm not sure how else to explain it. In essence Swansea are 6x more likely to go down than stay up and Stoke are 4x more likely to stay up than go down. If you think Swansea will STAY UP put a £1 on it and get £6 back if they do, if you think Stoke will STAY UP put £1 on it and get £1.25 back if they do. You are so wrong I just don't know where to begin to put you right. If the odds are 1/6 you would have to put 6 grand on to win a grand. That is absolute fact. H
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 28, 2017 15:56:00 GMT
That's because 1/6 are the odds on Swansea GOING DOWN. That's the way they are presented on Odds Checker from where I took them. The people who think this Carlos bloke will keep them up would therefore bet on Swansea STAYING UP hence you would approximately reverse the going down odds for that bet. It's pretty binary right, there only is staying up or going down and nothing in between. So these are roughly the STAYING UP odds: 6/1 Swansea Evens WBA 1/2 Bournemouth 2/5 Newcastle 2/5 Brighton 1/4 Stoke Short of setting it to music I'm not sure how else to explain it. In essence Swansea are 6x more likely to go down than stay up and Stoke are 4x more likely to stay up than go down. If you think Swansea will STAY UP put a £1 on it and get £6 back if they do, if you think Stoke will STAY UP put £1 on it and get £1.25 back if they do. You are so wrong I just don't know where to begin to put you right. If the odds are 1/6 you would have to put 6 grand on to win a grand. That is absolute fact. H He's not saying that. He's saying that they are 6/1 to stay up i.e. reversing the to be relegated odds. You can get 5's at PP (the only one I checked) for Swansea to stay up so he isn't a million miles off.
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Post by Gods on Dec 28, 2017 16:13:54 GMT
You are so wrong I just don't know where to begin to put you right. If the odds are 1/6 you would have to put 6 grand on to win a grand. That is absolute fact. H He's not saying that. He's saying that they are 6/1 to stay up i.e. reversing the to be relegated odds. You can get 5's at PP (the only one I checked) for Swansea to stay up so he isn't a million miles off. Thank you, at last the voice of reason. I can't work out if it was pedantry or old fashioned dim-wittedness I was up against, perhaps it was a slice of both
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 16:24:16 GMT
That's because 1/6 are the odds on Swansea GOING DOWN. That's the way they are presented on Odds Checker from where I took them. The people who think this Carlos bloke will keep them up would therefore bet on Swansea STAYING UP hence you would approximately reverse the going down odds for that bet. It's pretty binary right, there only is staying up or going down and nothing in between. So these are roughly the STAYING UP odds: 6/1 Swansea Evens WBA 1/2 Bournemouth 2/5 Newcastle 2/5 Brighton 1/4 Stoke Short of setting it to music I'm not sure how else to explain it. In essence Swansea are 6x more likely to go down than stay up and Stoke are 4x more likely to stay up than go down. If you think Swansea will STAY UP put a £1 on it and get £6 back if they do, if you think Stoke will STAY UP put £1 on it and get £1.25 back if they do. You are so wrong I just don't know where to begin to put you right. If the odds are 1/6 you would have to put 6 grand on to win a grand. That is absolute fact. H Are you special needs H? He clearly said 1/6 is the odds on them going down? So it's reversed.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 28, 2017 16:46:01 GMT
That's ok with a team flying at the top of the league. But what evidence have you got that 'he'll keep them up'? It's a very different ball game scrapping for survival down at the bottom. Hence I said it's a massive gamble. He got them flying at the top of the league though, the two seasons before they finished 16th and 13th, he comes in and gets them in the plays off back to back. What evidence is there that he can't keep them up? I think he's decent and had Wednesday massively punching above their weight. Getting them in the play offs twice is some achievement. I know it's a different league but he's got a few years experience behind him in English football. He'll do well, unfortunately So why did Wednesday sack him?
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Post by RAF on Dec 28, 2017 17:06:03 GMT
You are so wrong I just don't know where to begin to put you right. If the odds are 1/6 you would have to put 6 grand on to win a grand. That is absolute fact. H Are you special needs H? He clearly said 1/6 is the odds on them going down? So it's reversed. Have a look at his original post where he states you can get 1/6 odds on Swansea staying up and if you lump a grand on it you will get six. Fucks sake it's like conversing with the sunshine variety coach. H
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Post by Jimm on Dec 28, 2017 17:11:17 GMT
He got them flying at the top of the league though, the two seasons before they finished 16th and 13th, he comes in and gets them in the plays off back to back. What evidence is there that he can't keep them up? I think he's decent and had Wednesday massively punching above their weight. Getting them in the play offs twice is some achievement. I know it's a different league but he's got a few years experience behind him in English football. He'll do well, unfortunately So why did Wednesday sack him? Cause going off the last 2 seasons, they probably aren't where they expect to be and want change.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 28, 2017 17:26:26 GMT
So why did Wednesday sack him? Cause going off the last 2 seasons, they probably aren't where they expect to be and want change.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 17:34:31 GMT
He got them flying at the top of the league though, the two seasons before they finished 16th and 13th, he comes in and gets them in the plays off back to back. What evidence is there that he can't keep them up? I think he's decent and had Wednesday massively punching above their weight. Getting them in the play offs twice is some achievement. I know it's a different league but he's got a few years experience behind him in English football. He'll do well, unfortunately So why did Wednesday sack him? Because it had gone stale, just like it does with loads of managers good or bad. I'm not saying Carvahal is the man for the Swansea job, but being sacked doesn't mean he's a bad manager.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 28, 2017 17:44:47 GMT
He got them flying at the top of the league though, the two seasons before they finished 16th and 13th, he comes in and gets them in the plays off back to back. What evidence is there that he can't keep them up? I think he's decent and had Wednesday massively punching above their weight. Getting them in the play offs twice is some achievement. I know it's a different league but he's got a few years experience behind him in English football. He'll do well, unfortunately So why did Wednesday sack him? They have had a poor run recently but overall his record for them is decent he has 43% win percentage. He is highly regarded in the game but lets see how he does. He's had fairly limited resources at Wednesday. Name me more than 3 managers in English football who are successful year in and year out? Dyche has been relegated so you would write him off?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 28, 2017 17:47:54 GMT
So why did Wednesday sack him? Because it had gone stale, just like it does with loads of managers good or bad. I'm not saying Carvahal is the man for the Swansea job, but being sacked doesn't mean he's a bad manager. I didn't say it did. I was just trying to winkle out of Jimm his rationale for declaring without any doubt that he would keep Swansea up. I haven't followed his career very closely but I've seen nothing to suggest he's got what it takes to achieve that. Watch him do it now. And that's why I said it was a gamble. Because it clearly is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 18:31:17 GMT
Because it had gone stale, just like it does with loads of managers good or bad. I'm not saying Carvahal is the man for the Swansea job, but being sacked doesn't mean he's a bad manager. I didn't say it did. I was just trying to winkle out of Jimm his rationale for declaring without any doubt that he would keep Swansea up. I haven't followed his career very closely but I've seen nothing to suggest he's got what it takes to achieve that. Watch him do it now. And that's why I said it was a gamble. Because it clearly is. Fair enough. Although all managerial appointments are a gamble, unless you have the luxury of getting one of the really big managers like Pep,Jose and co. And Swansea are in a position where they need to take a big gamble onna they?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 28, 2017 18:39:28 GMT
I didn't say it did. I was just trying to winkle out of Jimm his rationale for declaring without any doubt that he would keep Swansea up. I haven't followed his career very closely but I've seen nothing to suggest he's got what it takes to achieve that. Watch him do it now. And that's why I said it was a gamble. Because it clearly is. Fair enough. Although all managerial appointments are a gamble, unless you have the luxury of getting one of the really big managers like Pep,Jose and co. And Swansea are in a position where they need to take a big gamble onna they? Yeah probably although to me he's a very left field appointment. I was convinced Pulis would have gone there.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 28, 2017 18:51:51 GMT
That's because 1/6 are the odds on Swansea GOING DOWN. That's the way they are presented on Odds Checker from where I took them. The people who think this Carlos bloke will keep them up would therefore bet on Swansea STAYING UP hence you would approximately reverse the going down odds for that bet. It's pretty binary right, there only is staying up or going down and nothing in between. So these are roughly the STAYING UP odds: 6/1 Swansea Evens WBA 1/2 Bournemouth 2/5 Newcastle 2/5 Brighton 1/4 Stoke Short of setting it to music I'm not sure how else to explain it. In essence Swansea are 6x more likely to go down than stay up and Stoke are 4x more likely to stay up than go down. If you think Swansea will STAY UP put a £1 on it and get £6 back if they do, if you think Stoke will STAY UP put £1 on it and get £1.25 back if they do. You are so wrong I just don't know where to begin to put you right. If the odds are 1/6 you would have to put 6 grand on to win a grand. That is absolute fact. H So you get 7 grand back, right?
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Post by march4 on Dec 28, 2017 19:12:21 GMT
For the record, I suspect Swansea will go down.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 28, 2017 19:16:56 GMT
For the record, I suspect Swansea will go down. Nice to have you back, I know these past few days must have been really hard for you
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 19:18:31 GMT
Fair enough. Although all managerial appointments are a gamble, unless you have the luxury of getting one of the really big managers like Pep,Jose and co. And Swansea are in a position where they need to take a big gamble onna they? Yeah probably although to me he's a very left field appointment. I was convinced Pulis would have gone there. There's no guarantee that he would have kept them up though and if I were a Swansea fan I'd be happier with Carvahal.
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 28, 2017 19:22:54 GMT
It definitely feels like a 'let's hope he can keep us up but if he can't at least we have a decent Football League manager' type appointment.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 28, 2017 19:26:00 GMT
Yeah probably although to me he's a very left field appointment. I was convinced Pulis would have gone there. There's no guarantee that he would have kept them up though and if I were a Swansea fan I'd be happier with Carvahal. And me although I'd still be very nervous.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Dec 28, 2017 19:31:19 GMT
I'm not sure whether this is genius by the board or a total panic move. To be fair to Carvalhal he did well in his first couple of years at SW (reaching the play-offs twice) but it's all gone a little bit stale this season. He's a talented coach and maybe a fresh start will reinvigorate his career. Maybe Swansea are also thinking long-term; if they do get relegated then they already have a manager in place that knows his way around The Championship. That Swansea team is bloody poor though and I'm not sure if anyone will be able to save them from the drop!
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Post by RAF on Dec 28, 2017 19:43:30 GMT
You are so wrong I just don't know where to begin to put you right. If the odds are 1/6 you would have to put 6 grand on to win a grand. That is absolute fact. H So you get 7 grand back, right? Well it's always been my understanding that you get your stake back if you win, so yes. H
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Post by hanibal7 on Dec 28, 2017 20:35:42 GMT
So why did Wednesday sack him? Because it had gone stale, just like it does with loads of managers good or bad. I'm not saying Carvahal is the man for the Swansea job, but being sacked doesn't mean he's a bad manager. so Hughes gets sacked but he is a good manager too.
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Post by march4 on Dec 28, 2017 22:51:28 GMT
For the record, I suspect Swansea will go down. Nice to have you back, I know these past few days must have been really hard for you I know. We now have to pay a release fee for TP even though he would have cost us nothing a week ago.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 23:27:34 GMT
Because it had gone stale, just like it does with loads of managers good or bad. I'm not saying Carvahal is the man for the Swansea job, but being sacked doesn't mean he's a bad manager. so Hughes gets sacked but he is a good manager too. I'd put Hughes in the average manager bracket.
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Post by chamberlain on Dec 29, 2017 17:53:48 GMT
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Post by lordb on Dec 29, 2017 18:42:27 GMT
Yes it is. Looked at the time that Rodgers turned Swansea down flat,now it seems he wanted too much money (salary?bonuses? transfer and wage budget?). However even if that suggests he is open to managing a run of the mill club he'd want big bucks to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 23:53:06 GMT
Good appointment for their situation.
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 30, 2017 0:59:26 GMT
Surely he's a winner. Big pay off from The Championship, Big salary in the Prem
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