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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 20:17:01 GMT
People on this thread have already proved that he's doing more than all those players you've mentioned so o don't really need to expand. Also I don't really know why you're bringing all those other midfielders into the debate? Unless you believe all those to be overrated as well? No I believe them to be just as good as De Bruyne. De Bruyne takes more credit especially with the bias on MOTD this season. Completes a 30 yard pass and Keown is saying that's why he's world class. Pogba does the same thing and it won't get mentioned. Also nobody has proved anything, only that De Bruyne has made more tackles and has 1 more assist having played every single game this season. Whilst players like Coutinho getting better returns on limited game time. All those players you have mentioned are quality footballers but all different to each other regarding their skill sets, and some of them don't even play in the same position so I don't really see why you had to bring them into the debate. The one thing that De Bruyne has in common with them all though is that he definitely isn't overrated. He's been one of the stand out players in the league this season and to suggest anything else is just utter bollocks. I know you've got a massive hard on for everything Paul Pogba, and I also rate him, but he hasn't performed anywhere near the level of De Bruyne over the last 12 months or so.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 28, 2017 20:21:29 GMT
Of course it does, unbelievably big difference. Massive in fact. So who are you having in your central midfield with those guys? You've got De Bruyne doing both the attacking part and the defending part but thats not what you're after. (More stats for you to ignore: Average Games for Assists - based on appearances De Bruyne - 2.22 (Every 2.22 games he's provided an assist) Ozil - 3.2 Eriksen - 4 Same stat but goals: De Bruyne - 3.33 Ozil - 4 Eriksen - 4 Out of all the attacking midfielders this league has to offer there is 4 players I'd choose over him If I wanted a midfielder that can do everything I'd take Pogba. Let's not forget De Bruyne has been supplying to the likes of Jesus and Aguero where as Ozil has been supplying for Giroud. Going by that logic - Let's not forget De Bruyne is playing alongside Silva and Sane so has to share the assists. Man City's Aguero and Jesus have missed 11 big chances a piece, Giroud has missed 3. And obviously De Bruyne has played so many more games than Silva and Sane so would it be fair to suggest he's created more of those opportunities? Playing more games has such a big effect so that can be the only conclusion applying your logic surely? (Silva has missed 5, Sane 4 & De Bruyne 3) What more does pogba do that De Bruyne doesn't? What is it that Pogba does that has put him above and beyond De Bruyne this year? More haircuts? More dabs?
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 28, 2017 20:32:13 GMT
No I believe them to be just as good as De Bruyne. De Bruyne takes more credit especially with the bias on MOTD this season. Completes a 30 yard pass and Keown is saying that's why he's world class. Pogba does the same thing and it won't get mentioned. Also nobody has proved anything, only that De Bruyne has made more tackles and has 1 more assist having played every single game this season. Whilst players like Coutinho getting better returns on limited game time. All those players you have mentioned are quality footballers but all different to each other regarding their skill sets, and some of them don't even play in the same position so I don't really see why you had to bring them into the debate. The one thing that De Bruyne has in common with them all though is that he definitely isn't overrated. He's been one of the stand out players in the league this season and to suggest anything else is just utter bollocks. I know you've got a massive hard on for everything Paul Pogba, and I also rate him, but he hasn't performed anywhere near the level of De Bruyne over the last 12 months or so. De Bruyne was performing better last season, literally every single city fan I have spoke to has said the same thing and had all the praise for Silva and Sterling. 6 goals 9 assists in 20 games compared to Pogbas 3 goals and 5 assists in half the amount. Coutinho also performing better in limited games, and they are similar players. The more impressive thing is how much deeper Pogba plays than both of them and still is as effective. According to people on here Pogba is wank and not even good as Glenn Whelan, yet he's playing better than De Bruyne.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 28, 2017 21:41:55 GMT
Out of all the attacking midfielders this league has to offer there is 4 players I'd choose over him If I wanted a midfielder that can do everything I'd take Pogba. Let's not forget De Bruyne has been supplying to the likes of Jesus and Aguero where as Ozil has been supplying for Giroud. Going by that logic - Let's not forget De Bruyne is playing alongside Silva and Sane so has to share the assists. Man City's Aguero and Jesus have missed 11 big chances a piece, Giroud has missed 3. And obviously De Bruyne has played so many more games than Silva and Sane so would it be fair to suggest he's created more of those opportunities? Playing more games has such a big effect so that can be the only conclusion applying your logic surely? (Silva has missed 5, Sane 4 & De Bruyne 3) What more does pogba do that De Bruyne doesn't? What is it that Pogba does that has put him above and beyond De Bruyne this year? More haircuts? More dabs? He's just the complete package. He's just as creative, he's faster, stronger, better in the air, has a better shot, more aggression, better defender. And yes he does look cooler. Pogba > De Bruyne.
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Post by RAF on Dec 28, 2017 21:45:10 GMT
De Bruyne is the best player in the Prem. Pogba isn't in the top 3.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 28, 2017 21:54:26 GMT
Going by that logic - Let's not forget De Bruyne is playing alongside Silva and Sane so has to share the assists. Man City's Aguero and Jesus have missed 11 big chances a piece, Giroud has missed 3. And obviously De Bruyne has played so many more games than Silva and Sane so would it be fair to suggest he's created more of those opportunities? Playing more games has such a big effect so that can be the only conclusion applying your logic surely? (Silva has missed 5, Sane 4 & De Bruyne 3) What more does pogba do that De Bruyne doesn't? What is it that Pogba does that has put him above and beyond De Bruyne this year? More haircuts? More dabs? He's just the complete package. He's just as creative, he's faster, stronger, better in the air, has a better shot, more aggression, better defender. And yes he does look cooler. Pogba > De Bruyne. More Aggressive- part of the reason he's only played 10 games this year. I'd rather have a player who doesn't get red carded for rash tackles and is available for my next game. Ask your man city mates who they would rather have - Pogba or De Bruyne & ask The Blue Moon forum who they'd rather have. I can tell by this thread you hold their opinion above all others.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 28, 2017 21:57:39 GMT
He's just the complete package. He's just as creative, he's faster, stronger, better in the air, has a better shot, more aggression, better defender. And yes he does look cooler. Pogba > De Bruyne. More Aggressive- part of the reason he's only played 10 games this year. I'd rather have a player who doesn't get red carded for rash tackles and is available for my next game. Ask your man city mates who they would rather have - Pogba or De Bruyne & ask The Blue Moon forum who they'd rather have. I can tell by this thread you hold their opinion above all others. I don't think he should've been sent off, and before that he was injured. He's one of the best players in this league. The question never was "Who's better" Just that De Bruyne has looked off the pace this year and outshined by David Silva. I trust their opinion and there is a lot of media love in for De Bruyne.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 28, 2017 22:09:00 GMT
More Aggressive- part of the reason he's only played 10 games this year. I'd rather have a player who doesn't get red carded for rash tackles and is available for my next game. Ask your man city mates who they would rather have - Pogba or De Bruyne & ask The Blue Moon forum who they'd rather have. I can tell by this thread you hold their opinion above all others. I don't think he should've been sent off, and before that he was injured. He's one of the best players in this league. The question never was "Who's better" Just that De Bruyne has looked off the pace this year and outshined by David Silva. I trust their opinion and there is a lot of media love in for De Bruyne. No, the original question was about Sterling. It turned to De Bruyne when you said he was overrated. You've had stats provided to you to show why he's getting praise. He's doing things more often than others. It helps with him playing all the games but you can't hold that against him (even though you are). I remember the pass he did on MOTD that Keown called World Class and to be fair it was an absolutely superb ball - that said none world class players can produce world class moments. De Bruyne is starting to do that on a more consistent basis now, last nights assist another example of a pass that only a handful of players in the prem could do (the majority of which you've named) so why you seem to miss this quality in De Bruyne is beyond me.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 28, 2017 22:10:42 GMT
I don't think he should've been sent off, and before that he was injured. He's one of the best players in this league. The question never was "Who's better" Just that De Bruyne has looked off the pace this year and outshined by David Silva. I trust their opinion and there is a lot of media love in for De Bruyne. No, the original question was about Sterling. It turned to De Bruyne when you said he was overrated. You've had stats provided to you to show why he's getting praise. He's doing things more often than others. It helps with him playing all the games but you can't hold that against him (even though you are). I remember the pass he did on MOTD that Keown called World Class and to be fair it was an absolutely superb ball - that said none world class players can produce world class moments. De Bruyne is starting to do that on a more consistent basis now, last nights assist another example of a pass that only a handful of players in the prem could do (the majority of which you've named) so why you seem to miss this quality in De Bruyne is beyond me. Did you see Pogbas for Rashford? And I'm not saying why he shouldn't get praise, just not as much as other players in this league who have just as much talent and some even more athleticism.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 28, 2017 22:18:24 GMT
No, the original question was about Sterling. It turned to De Bruyne when you said he was overrated. You've had stats provided to you to show why he's getting praise. He's doing things more often than others. It helps with him playing all the games but you can't hold that against him (even though you are). I remember the pass he did on MOTD that Keown called World Class and to be fair it was an absolutely superb ball - that said none world class players can produce world class moments. De Bruyne is starting to do that on a more consistent basis now, last nights assist another example of a pass that only a handful of players in the prem could do (the majority of which you've named) so why you seem to miss this quality in De Bruyne is beyond me. Did you see Pogbas for Rashford? And I'm not saying why he shouldn't get praise, just not as much as other players in this league who have just as much talent and some even more athleticism. Yeah and I remember Pogba doing one last year at the Euros as well for France - both superb balls. Got praise for them. Deserved praise as well. I don't think Pogbas shit or underrated though, I recognise that he's a fantastic footballer - I can see the good things that he does. The reason De Bruyne has got more praise is because of the Goals and Assists - on sheer volume he has done more. He has done more passes, he has more touches, he's played more, he's tackled more - he's done more than anyone else this season based on numbers. It's not to discredit others, it's a numbers game. Same with Sterling - I said to my mates in the pub after the World Cup draw that right now I'd take Sterling over Hazard in my team.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 28, 2017 22:25:27 GMT
Did you see Pogbas for Rashford? And I'm not saying why he shouldn't get praise, just not as much as other players in this league who have just as much talent and some even more athleticism. Yeah and I remember Pogba doing one last year at the Euros as well for France - both superb balls. Got praise for them. Deserved praise as well. I don't think Pogbas shit or underrated though, I recognise that he's a fantastic footballer - I can see the good things that he does. The reason De Bruyne has got more praise is because of the Goals and Assists - on sheer volume he has done more. He has done more passes, he has more touches, he's played more, he's tackled more - he's done more than anyone else this season based on numbers. It's not to discredit others, it's a numbers game. Same with Sterling - I said to my mates in the pub after the World Cup draw that right now I'd take Sterling over Hazard in my team. For me I can't give more credit based off just more passes or tackles. It's just two weird stats, depending on how important the passes are. Passes in the final third/passes in your own half/passes leading to goals. I believe on what I've seen from Pogba and other midfielders that have missed games that they would be up there with probably more goals/assists than De Bruyne this season. When I watch De Bruyne I can't see why other players aren't talked about in the same light. Every pass is just "Majestic" "Oozes class" Those other midfielders are pulling off similar passes and some of them expressing their pace more by driving into space to win free-kicks and penalties. That is very important when I watch a player and why I rate Hazard so much. Pogba is just not a likeable guy and that has a small impact. People don't want to like him so they just don't.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 28, 2017 22:49:54 GMT
Yeah and I remember Pogba doing one last year at the Euros as well for France - both superb balls. Got praise for them. Deserved praise as well. I don't think Pogbas shit or underrated though, I recognise that he's a fantastic footballer - I can see the good things that he does. The reason De Bruyne has got more praise is because of the Goals and Assists - on sheer volume he has done more. He has done more passes, he has more touches, he's played more, he's tackled more - he's done more than anyone else this season based on numbers. It's not to discredit others, it's a numbers game. Same with Sterling - I said to my mates in the pub after the World Cup draw that right now I'd take Sterling over Hazard in my team. For me I can't give more credit based off just more passes or tackles. It's just two weird stats, depending on how important the passes are. Passes in the final third/passes in your own half/passes leading to goals. I believe on what I've seen from Pogba and other midfielders that have missed games that they would be up there with probably more goals/assists than De Bruyne this season. When I watch De Bruyne I can't see why other players aren't talked about in the same light. Every pass is just "Majestic" "Oozes class" Those other midfielders are pulling off similar passes and some of them expressing their pace more by driving into space to win free-kicks and penalties. That is very important when I watch a player and why I rate Hazard so much. Pogba is just not a likeable guy and that has a small impact. People don't want to like him so they just don't. This is nothing to do with Pogba. Put simply - these are the stats - this season - de Bruyne has the most assists in the premier league. He has the MOST. Forget all the others. He has the most. Te highest number. No other player has more. He has set up more goals than anyone else. That's what your after, that's what he has delivered.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 28, 2017 22:57:35 GMT
For me I can't give more credit based off just more passes or tackles. It's just two weird stats, depending on how important the passes are. Passes in the final third/passes in your own half/passes leading to goals. I believe on what I've seen from Pogba and other midfielders that have missed games that they would be up there with probably more goals/assists than De Bruyne this season. When I watch De Bruyne I can't see why other players aren't talked about in the same light. Every pass is just "Majestic" "Oozes class" Those other midfielders are pulling off similar passes and some of them expressing their pace more by driving into space to win free-kicks and penalties. That is very important when I watch a player and why I rate Hazard so much. Pogba is just not a likeable guy and that has a small impact. People don't want to like him so they just don't. This is nothing to do with Pogba. Put simply - these are the stats - this season - de Bruyne has the most assists in the premier league. He has the MOST. Forget all the others. He has the most. Te highest number. No other player has more. He has set up more goals than anyone else. That's what your after, that's what he has delivered. Why does it have to be just based on assists? And you'd think for someone of this world class potential that he would probably have more by now, especially having played every game. Coutinho has more goals. Sane has the same goals and only 1 less assist. He's obviously good, but this is my point why I think he's a bit overrated as people wouldn't even dare put a player like Pogba or Coutinho in the same bracket. Agree to disagree, I just hope you don't think I'm making him out to be bad.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 28, 2017 23:00:08 GMT
Did you see Pogbas for Rashford? And I'm not saying why he shouldn't get praise, just not as much as other players in this league who have just as much talent and some even more athleticism. Yeah and I remember Pogba doing one last year at the Euros as well for France - both superb balls. Got praise for them. Deserved praise as well. I don't think Pogbas shit or underrated though, I recognise that he's a fantastic footballer - I can see the good things that he does. The reason De Bruyne has got more praise is because of the Goals and Assists - on sheer volume he has done more. He has done more passes, he has more touches, he's played more, he's tackled more - he's done more than anyone else this season based on numbers. It's not to discredit others, it's a numbers game. Same with Sterling - I said to my mates in the pub after the World Cup draw that right now I'd take Sterling over Hazard in my team. Hazard is different gravy to Sterling, are you being serious?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 28, 2017 23:10:29 GMT
Yeah and I remember Pogba doing one last year at the Euros as well for France - both superb balls. Got praise for them. Deserved praise as well. I don't think Pogbas shit or underrated though, I recognise that he's a fantastic footballer - I can see the good things that he does. The reason De Bruyne has got more praise is because of the Goals and Assists - on sheer volume he has done more. He has done more passes, he has more touches, he's played more, he's tackled more - he's done more than anyone else this season based on numbers. It's not to discredit others, it's a numbers game. Same with Sterling - I said to my mates in the pub after the World Cup draw that right now I'd take Sterling over Hazard in my team. Hazard is different gravy to Sterling, are you being serious? Right now, yeah - everything he does is working for him. He's getting into the right places at the right time, be it luck or judgement he's just on a hot streak. I'm not saying he's a better player, far from it - just based on recent form Sterling has been superb. It does help when you've got De Bruyne, Silva and Sane setting you up regularly whereas Hazard doesn't have that luxury.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 28, 2017 23:12:10 GMT
This is nothing to do with Pogba. Put simply - these are the stats - this season - de Bruyne has the most assists in the premier league. He has the MOST. Forget all the others. He has the most. Te highest number. No other player has more. He has set up more goals than anyone else. That's what your after, that's what he has delivered. Why does it have to be just based on assists? And you'd think for someone of this world class potential that he would probably have more by now, especially having played every game. Coutinho has more goals. Sane has the same goals and only 1 less assist. He's obviously good, but this is my point why I think he's a bit overrated as people wouldn't even dare put a player like Pogba or Coutinho in the same bracket. Agree to disagree, I just hope you don't think I'm making him out to be bad. I don't get why you think he's overrated - this is the crux of it. Who isn't putting those players in the same bracket as him? If anything it's De Bruyne stepping up to their level this season.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 28, 2017 23:14:12 GMT
Why does it have to be just based on assists? And you'd think for someone of this world class potential that he would probably have more by now, especially having played every game. Coutinho has more goals. Sane has the same goals and only 1 less assist. He's obviously good, but this is my point why I think he's a bit overrated as people wouldn't even dare put a player like Pogba or Coutinho in the same bracket. Agree to disagree, I just hope you don't think I'm making him out to be bad. I don't get why you think he's overrated - this is the crux of it. Who isn't putting those players in the same bracket as him? If anything it's De Bruyne stepping up to their level this season. Really? So if I said De Bruyne is now on the level of Pogba, Coutinho and Ozil you would have agreed? I don't believe that.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 28, 2017 23:16:36 GMT
I don't get why you think he's overrated - this is the crux of it. Who isn't putting those players in the same bracket as him? If anything it's De Bruyne stepping up to their level this season. Really? So if I said De Bruyne is now on the level of Pogba, Coutinho and Ozil you would have agreed? I don't believe that. Do you think he's overrated?
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 28, 2017 23:17:43 GMT
Really? So if I said De Bruyne is now on the level of Pogba, Coutinho and Ozil you would have agreed? I don't believe that. Do you think he's overrated? From the way people and pundits talk about him. Yes. I think he's good, but he's talked about as if he's on another level to those players mentioned and that's not true.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 28, 2017 23:26:30 GMT
Do you think he's overrated? From the way people and pundits talk about him. Yes. I think he's good, but he's talked about as if he's on another level to those players mentioned and that's not true. He's better than Ozil - there's a reason Real Madrid sold him. If he was as consistent as he was talented then he'd still be there. Pogba - Excellent player, main player in that Juce team and their driving force. Cant argue with him being one of the most expensive players in the world even if the mo ey is obscene. Now the best player in that United team and arguable France's best player. Coutinho - there was a reason why Barca would pay that much for him. Has consistently performed in the Liverpool team. De Bruyne showed glimpses last year but has gone up another gear this year. I thinks that's why he's getting the praise.
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 28, 2017 23:28:03 GMT
Wonder how he would do in our team???????.............
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 28, 2017 23:31:08 GMT
From the way people and pundits talk about him. Yes. I think he's good, but he's talked about as if he's on another level to those players mentioned and that's not true. He's better than Ozil - there's a reason Real Madrid sold him. If he was as consistent as he was talented then he'd still be there. Pogba - Excellent player, main player in that Juce team and their driving force. Cant argue with him being one of the most expensive players in the world even if the mo ey is obscene. Now the best player in that United team and arguable France's best player. Coutinho - there was a reason why Barca would pay that much for him. Has consistently performed in the Liverpool team. De Bruyne showed glimpses last year but has gone up another gear this year. I thinks that's why he's getting the praise. Don't agree that he's better than Ozil, Ronaldo was furious when they sold him, clubs can make mistakes no matter how big the club is. Chelsea had Salah and De Bruyne.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 28, 2017 23:35:55 GMT
He's better than Ozil - there's a reason Real Madrid sold him. If he was as consistent as he was talented then he'd still be there. Pogba - Excellent player, main player in that Juce team and their driving force. Cant argue with him being one of the most expensive players in the world even if the mo ey is obscene. Now the best player in that United team and arguable France's best player. Coutinho - there was a reason why Barca would pay that much for him. Has consistently performed in the Liverpool team. De Bruyne showed glimpses last year but has gone up another gear this year. I thinks that's why he's getting the praise. Don't agree that he's better than Ozil, Ronaldo was furious when they sold him, clubs can make mistakes no matter how big the club is. Chelsea had Salah and De Bruyne. As I said before, ask your man city mates and the blue moon forum who they'd rather have out of the players you've named and let me know the results.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 28, 2017 23:43:42 GMT
Don't agree that he's better than Ozil, Ronaldo was furious when they sold him, clubs can make mistakes no matter how big the club is. Chelsea had Salah and De Bruyne. As I said before, ask your man city mates and the blue moon forum who they'd rather have out of the players you've named and let me know the results. They rate De Bruyne. They just say this season he's been below his usual best. They still love him.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 29, 2017 5:34:46 GMT
Fuck me, I don't agree with you 90% of the time riccyfuller but you're sodding persistent. Out of curiosity, were you part of the school debating team? You should've been for never letting anyone else have the last word
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Post by eatonpotter on Dec 29, 2017 6:11:39 GMT
Wonder how he would do in our team???????............. Leslie would keep him on bench.......does not suit our style of play 😀
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 30, 2017 4:10:18 GMT
Fuck me, I don't agree with you 90% of the time riccyfuller but you're sodding persistent. Out of curiosity, were you part of the school debating team? You should've been for never letting anyone else have the last word I don't care for the last word. It's funny you think that way, is that why you didn't quote me in hope that I wouldn't see this message?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 30, 2017 8:10:04 GMT
Sterling will be another English player who play great for their clubs,then the World Cup comes round,they put on the England shirt and play fecking crap.
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