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Post by mrred on Dec 18, 2017 15:45:13 GMT
Sports science is pretty important. It's just a shame it's not put to good use because we are by far the most unfit team in the league. Makes me sick in the mouth that there are so many of their families employed at the club, regardless of how good or bad they are.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 18, 2017 16:19:08 GMT
More signs that the club is disintegrating before our eyes. Well thankfully the answer won't lie in reappointing a swindler who headbutts club employees.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 16:28:17 GMT
What is the role of Mark Bowen's son at the football club? Interior design, wallpapers, curtains, fancy stuff and all that... Lawrence Llewlyn Bowen.
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Post by geoffscott on Dec 18, 2017 16:30:43 GMT
Sports science is pretty important. It's just a shame it's not put to good use because we are by far the most unfit team in the league. Makes me sick in the mouth that there are so many of their families employed at the club, regardless of how good or bad they are. Interesting if this a fact backed up by data, do you have a link? Or is it simply your opinion?
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Post by mrred on Dec 18, 2017 16:42:07 GMT
Sports science is pretty important. It's just a shame it's not put to good use because we are by far the most unfit team in the league. Makes me sick in the mouth that there are so many of their families employed at the club, regardless of how good or bad they are. Interesting if this a fact backed up by data, do you have a link? Or is it simply your opinion? Distance covered per match for one. The amount of injuries that we've had since Hughes' regime turned up, the amount of goals we concede late into games and the amount of players blowing out of their arse after 60 minutes. Look at Arnie and Walters, both look far fitter and leaner than they were here.
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Post by geoffscott on Dec 18, 2017 18:09:49 GMT
Interesting if this a fact backed up by data, do you have a link? Or is it simply your opinion? Distance covered per match for one. The amount of injuries that we've had since Hughes' regime turned up, the amount of goals we concede late into games and the amount of players blowing out of their arse after 60 minutes. Look at Arnie and Walters, both look far fitter and leaner than they were here. Not saying you are wrong, but for example last season we were ranked 15th for distance covered in a match, has there been data published this season to show we are now 20th and this means we are by far the most unfit team in the league? Walters played 27 minutes for Burnely, before succumbing to injury, he's missed more games at Burnley through injury than he did in 7 years at Stoke, he hasn't been seen on a football pitch since August, yet you say he now looks fitter? Arnie, by all accoutnts is the same Arnie that we had. So it seems it is your opinion, as opposed to scientific analysis of data, which is fine by me, we all have our opinions, I was just interested to know if there was actually some data out there that showed Stoke had regressed to become 'by far the most unfit team in the league'
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Post by mrred on Dec 18, 2017 18:33:08 GMT
Distance covered per match for one. The amount of injuries that we've had since Hughes' regime turned up, the amount of goals we concede late into games and the amount of players blowing out of their arse after 60 minutes. Look at Arnie and Walters, both look far fitter and leaner than they were here. Not saying you are wrong, but for example last season we were ranked 15th for distance covered in a match, has there been data published this season to show we are now 20th and this means we are by far the most unfit team in the league? Walters played 27 minutes for Burnely, before succumbing to injury, he's missed more games at Burnley through injury than he did in 7 years at Stoke, he hasn't been seen on a football pitch since August, yet you say he now looks fitter? Arnie, by all accoutnts is the same Arnie that we had. So it seems it is your opinion, as opposed to scientific analysis of data, which is fine by me, we all have our opinions, I was just interested to know if there was actually some data out there that showed Stoke had regressed to become 'by far the most unfit team in the league' Mate you only have to look at the state of them as the game wears on. It doesnt take much to connect the dots. The sheer lethargy around the squad and everything mentioned before. I'd like to think I know my fair share on fitness and the biggest eye opener is the warm ups and the complete lack of any sort of warm downs after matches. Our warms ups are completely half arsed and we don't do warm downs. If thsts the kind of lax training they're allowed to get away with, it sets a bad precedent for their training and in turn, fitness.
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Post by geoffscott on Dec 18, 2017 19:05:59 GMT
Mate you only have to look at the state of them as the game wears on. It doesnt take much to connect the dots. The sheer lethargy around the squad and everything mentioned before. I'd like to think I know my fair share on fitness and the biggest eye opener is the warm ups and the complete lack of any sort of warm downs after matches. Our warms ups are completely half arsed and we don't do warm downs. If thsts the kind of lax training they're allowed to get away with, it sets a bad precedent for their training and in turn, fitness. Again its down to opinion and I have no idea if for the last 4 1/2 years training has been lax for premier league standards, if bad precedents have been set or if standards have dropped. The exile of the likes of Imbula gives me some faith that the club, management and players have more than adequate methods of self managing the situation of fitness and training. Last season we were ranked 11th for number of days lost due to injury, Sunderland were 20th and Hull 18th, both of course were relegated. As of 12th November this season we were ranked 18th, which is worrying, thouhgh I would hope there is enough self analysis and management in the club to understand if its been down to bad luck ( I guess Jesse' time off is also skewing the figures) or if there are situations that could have been avoided.
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Post by riproaring on Dec 18, 2017 19:09:16 GMT
Passion for stoke I like it
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Post by burge2u on Dec 18, 2017 19:14:33 GMT
So theres: Hughes and son Bowen and son Eddie Damian Roden Glyn Hodges Kevin Cruickshank That are all as far as I know Hughes' team. ........ and we play like Steptoe and Son !
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Post by scfc1982 on Dec 18, 2017 19:19:15 GMT
Staff member was Mark Bowen's son! Sack them all I say fucking scroats. Fans make the not some cunts son everything makes me angry lately
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Post by zigazaga on Dec 18, 2017 19:19:36 GMT
Damian Roden. Experience: Stoke City Football Club Head of Sports Science Company Name: Stoke City Football Club Dates Employed Jul 2013 – Present Employment Duration4 yrs 6 mos Location Stoke-on-Trent, United Kingdom - Responsible for the planning, preparation, conditioning and regeneration of all first team players - Development of "One Club, One Philosophy" from First Team through to Academy. - Officially 'the Fittest Team in the English Premier League 2013-14'.- 2 Consecutive 9th placed finishes in English Premier League. - Anyway, LinkedIn is a pile of shit so I'd take anything I read on there with a pinch of salt. If he's currently responsible for the preparation, conditioning and regeneration of Charlie Adam he needs sacking along with Hughes.
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Post by scfc1982 on Dec 18, 2017 19:21:02 GMT
Staff member was Mark Bowen's son! Sack them all I say fucking scroats. Fans make the not some cunts son everything makes me angry lately Fans make the club sorry
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Post by Boothen on Dec 18, 2017 19:39:46 GMT
So if paying customer shouts vile abusive degrading remarks about you and your family (which i believe is against the law) you would not respond? i was not in a position to see the incident were you? By the way what industry do you work in? I can't speak for the other posted, but I wouldn't. It's called being professional.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 20:17:04 GMT
I'm furious. You wouldn't catch the likes of Waddington, Macari, Thordason or Pulis pulling a stunt like this.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 18, 2017 21:28:36 GMT
Mate you only have to look at the state of them as the game wears on. It doesnt take much to connect the dots. The sheer lethargy around the squad and everything mentioned before. I'd like to think I know my fair share on fitness and the biggest eye opener is the warm ups and the complete lack of any sort of warm downs after matches. Our warms ups are completely half arsed and we don't do warm downs. If thsts the kind of lax training they're allowed to get away with, it sets a bad precedent for their training and in turn, fitness. Again its down to opinion and I have no idea if for the last 4 1/2 years training has been lax for premier league standards, if bad precedents have been set or if standards have dropped. The exile of the likes of Imbula gives me some faith that the club, management and players have more than adequate methods of self managing the situation of fitness and training. Last season we were ranked 11th for number of days lost due to injury, Sunderland were 20th and Hull 18th, both of course were relegated. As of 12th November this season we were ranked 18th, which is worrying, thouhgh I would hope there is enough self analysis and management in the club to understand if its been down to bad luck ( I guess Jesse' time off is also skewing the figures) or if there are situations that could have been avoided. Hang on, Bowens boy is chief scout as well - why can't he combine is skills at the start and not look at the data before recommending the player?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 18, 2017 22:02:01 GMT
Interesting if this a fact backed up by data, do you have a link? Or is it simply your opinion? Distance covered per match for one. The amount of injuries that we've had since Hughes' regime turned up, the amount of goals we concede late into games and the amount of players blowing out of their arse after 60 minutes. Look at Arnie and Walters, both look far fitter and leaner than they were here. Walters hasnt played for months
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 18, 2017 22:05:20 GMT
Not saying you are wrong, but for example last season we were ranked 15th for distance covered in a match, has there been data published this season to show we are now 20th and this means we are by far the most unfit team in the league? Walters played 27 minutes for Burnely, before succumbing to injury, he's missed more games at Burnley through injury than he did in 7 years at Stoke, he hasn't been seen on a football pitch since August, yet you say he now looks fitter? Arnie, by all accoutnts is the same Arnie that we had. So it seems it is your opinion, as opposed to scientific analysis of data, which is fine by me, we all have our opinions, I was just interested to know if there was actually some data out there that showed Stoke had regressed to become 'by far the most unfit team in the league' Mate you only have to look at the state of them as the game wears on. It doesnt take much to connect the dots. The sheer lethargy around the squad and everything mentioned before. I'd like to think I know my fair share on fitness and the biggest eye opener is the warm ups and the complete lack of any sort of warm downs after matches. Our warms ups are completely half arsed and we don't do warm downs. If thsts the kind of lax training they're allowed to get away with, it sets a bad precedent for their training and in turn, fitness. You clearly know fuck all about anything. All players go through a warm down routine after the game and the subs do some pretty strenuous work away from the main group. I saw it after the burnley game with my own eyes having treated friends and family to a night in the box.
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Post by geoffscott on Dec 18, 2017 22:05:49 GMT
Again its down to opinion and I have no idea if for the last 4 1/2 years training has been lax for premier league standards, if bad precedents have been set or if standards have dropped. The exile of the likes of Imbula gives me some faith that the club, management and players have more than adequate methods of self managing the situation of fitness and training. Last season we were ranked 11th for number of days lost due to injury, Sunderland were 20th and Hull 18th, both of course were relegated. As of 12th November this season we were ranked 18th, which is worrying, thouhgh I would hope there is enough self analysis and management in the club to understand if its been down to bad luck ( I guess Jesse' time off is also skewing the figures) or if there are situations that could have been avoided. Hang on, Bowens boy is chief scout as well - why can't he combine is skills at the start and not look at the data before recommending the player? I have no idea of the roles and infrastructure at Stoke, what any of them do, or who they answer to. Football appears to have its own unique ethics and approaches to running its business, it clearly comes with risks but I reckon the Coates family are better placed and experienced than most of us to make the right calls for hiring and firing.
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Post by mrred on Dec 19, 2017 6:04:25 GMT
Mate you only have to look at the state of them as the game wears on. It doesnt take much to connect the dots. The sheer lethargy around the squad and everything mentioned before. I'd like to think I know my fair share on fitness and the biggest eye opener is the warm ups and the complete lack of any sort of warm downs after matches. Our warms ups are completely half arsed and we don't do warm downs. If thsts the kind of lax training they're allowed to get away with, it sets a bad precedent for their training and in turn, fitness. You clearly know fuck all about anything. All players go through a warm down routine after the game and the subs do some pretty strenuous work away from the main group. I saw it after the burnley game with my own eyes having treated friends and family to a night in the box. Well it'll be the first time in fucking ages that they've bothered with it.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Dec 19, 2017 6:31:32 GMT
Yeah,Jim Bowen co-ordinates defensive shape and set-piece routines for us... 😂
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