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Post by kustokie on Dec 17, 2017 15:55:27 GMT
He always did and always will be a player who plays when he wants to. For much of the season the lazy fuck chooses not to. Lots of natural ability and a total mard arse fucking prick too. Are you talking about Arni or N’zonzi? Both similar prima donnas.
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 17, 2017 19:45:02 GMT
And he is replacement for Arnie another squad filler, no wonder we are so shit. If Arnie is a squad filler maybe we should sign another 5 or 6 of them. He was until Moses went back to Chelsea and refused a permanent deal .
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Post by alster on Dec 17, 2017 19:54:48 GMT
If Arnie is a squad filler maybe we should sign another 5 or 6 of them. He was until Moses went back to Chelsea and refused a permanent deal . Good job he did then otherwise our transfer dealing might look even worse. Arnie would be another failure for crapslinger to beat Hughes with and the buy low sell high policy would be about £22.5M down on offsetting the other failures. I'm not a fan of loans I think they're smalltime successful or otherwise we really should have moved on from them by now.
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 17, 2017 19:59:13 GMT
He was until Moses went back to Chelsea and refused a permanent deal . Good job he did then otherwise our transfer dealing might look even worse. Arnie would be another failure for crapslinger to beat Hughes with and the buy low sell high policy would be about £22.5M down on offsetting the other failures. I'm not a fan of loans I think they're smalltime successful or otherwise we really should have moved on from them by now. They can be good if it leads to a permanent deal like Ryan or martins indi
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 17, 2017 20:01:54 GMT
This was well known wasn't it? Our plan was "give it to Arnie". Then we sold him and signed Choupo Moting. It's difficult to know how Hughes could have done a worse job. What makes you think that was Hughes choice ?
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Post by alster on Dec 17, 2017 20:07:01 GMT
Good job he did then otherwise our transfer dealing might look even worse. Arnie would be another failure for crapslinger to beat Hughes with and the buy low sell high policy would be about £22.5M down on offsetting the other failures. I'm not a fan of loans I think they're smalltime successful or otherwise we really should have moved on from them by now. They can be good if it leads to a permanent deal like Ryan or martins indi When we took Ryan on loan we were a different cup of tea as a club altogether or we should be anyway. Bruno's loan and subsequent signing were a farce. He is a full Dutch international if we wanted him we should have just backed our judgement and signed him permanently. Sums up our mentality we still act like a struggling little club.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 20:22:56 GMT
Don't know how Stoke fans can still call him Arnie, he's a cunt.
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 17, 2017 20:25:04 GMT
They can be good if it leads to a permanent deal like Ryan or martins indi When we took Ryan on loan we were a different cup of tea as a club altogether or we should be anyway. Bruno's loan and subsequent signing were a farce. He is a full Dutch international if we wanted him we should have just backed our judgement and signed him permanently. Sums up our mentality we still act like a struggling little club. Well the fact is it sometimes leads to signing players who may have bean reluctant to commit straight from the off , sort of suck it and see . However I'm against loans such as van weasel and zouma that are just the parent club trying to get them into form or fitness.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 17, 2017 20:27:35 GMT
Yep which is why I was baffled to why so many people hated him when he was here. Anyway, I hope they're happy with how it's turned out without him and his "bad attitude".. yeah, I reckon we can do with a bit of that tbh.
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Post by alster on Dec 17, 2017 20:39:16 GMT
When we took Ryan on loan we were a different cup of tea as a club altogether or we should be anyway. Bruno's loan and subsequent signing were a farce. He is a full Dutch international if we wanted him we should have just backed our judgement and signed him permanently. Sums up our mentality we still act like a struggling little club. Well the fact is it sometimes leads to signing players who may have bean reluctant to commit straight from the off , sort of suck it and see . However I'm against loans such as van weasel and zouma that are just the parent club trying to get them into form or fitness. Like BMI I think he was our best piece of Summer business but I'd have made him an offer sign now or stay at Porto. Wonder how much we saved signing Wimmer instead of Maguire maybe the picture would be a lot different if we stopped letting our peer clubs beat us in the market we've had so many players in for negotiations who go away and sign for a similar sized rival its untrue. Has to be the "right deal" instead of the "right player" they call it cute I call it dumb.
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Post by stantheman on Dec 17, 2017 21:05:15 GMT
Chopper is OK as a squad player, decent but nothing special. I think he could be if he could find some aggression and show for the ball more in dangerous areas. He annoys me because he is nowhere near aggressive enough for a bloke of his size and also his play is very safe but that's a team problem. Watching him warm up yesterday, with that stupid top knot, chatting and laughing with their substitutes did my nut in.
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Post by alster on Dec 17, 2017 21:10:23 GMT
I think he could be if he could find some aggression and show for the ball more in dangerous areas. He annoys me because he is nowhere near aggressive enough for a bloke of his size and also his play is very safe but that's a team problem. Watching him warm up yesterday, with that stupid top knot, chatting and laughing with their substitutes did my nut in. Another team problem we're just too fucking nice.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 21:12:22 GMT
If those past seasons consisted of six games each then sure he was magic the whole time. But of coursse they don't and it was the other 32 games that ensured we stayed pretty well afloat.
He's played three good games for the shammers but he was completely rubbish in the ones before, apart from the three where he was suspended, and he'll go missing for them soon again.
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Post by alster on Dec 17, 2017 21:18:51 GMT
If those past seasons consisted of six games each then sure he was magic the whole time. But of coursse they don't and it was the other 32 games that ensured we stayed pretty well afloat. He's played three good games for the shammers but he was completely rubbish in the ones before, apart from the three where he was suspended, and he'll go missing for them soon again. You obviously fail to see the value of match winning performances if all your attacking players produce 4 or 5 of them per season you'll have a bloody good season. Prefer a team of steady eddies?
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Post by leoncort on Dec 17, 2017 23:05:45 GMT
Just brought myself to watch the highlights of yesterday's debacle.
Highlighted one thing for me, Arnautovic is head and shoulders above anything we've got in our team now. Shaqiri is the closest but still doesn't influence a game as much as Arnautovic when he's on form. The pace and power was way to much for wimmer (who doesn't care/is awful).
We've replaced Arnie with average/championship players like Choupo who manager doesn't seem to know how to get the best out of.
We've sold our best player and teams like Southampton, West Ham, Palace have better players than us. Leaving us in the shit, scrapping in the bottom 5 to be the ''not as shit as 3 other teams'
Need a change before January to shift out the shit and bring in some pace and power going forward.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 23:08:47 GMT
This was well known wasn't it? Our plan was "give it to Arnie". Then we sold him and signed Choupo Moting. It's difficult to know how Hughes could have done a worse job. Choupo is not a terrible player but to be honest given his size I find his lack of aggression intolerable. He's nothing like Arnie he wouldn't destroy any team. He's one of many that need a fucking good "hairdryer", from someone who can deliver it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 23:10:55 GMT
Don't know how Stoke fans can still call him Arnie, he's a cunt. Maybe, but he could run rings round our feckless bunch of pretenders, with his eyes shut, and his pants round his ankles.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 17, 2017 23:22:14 GMT
Don't know how Stoke fans can still call him Arnie, he's a cunt. Yeah that did my head in yesterday ... 'ARNIE is a wanker' sounded so bleeding lame. You don't use a term of endearment to insult somebody for fucks sake! It should have been 'Fuck off AR-NAU-TO-VIC, Fuck off AR-NAU-TO-VIC' or somet similar.
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 17, 2017 23:23:52 GMT
No we have just watched players deteriate or sold them and not adequatly replaced them or even replaced them at all.
Bojan, Whelan, Walters, Huth, N'zonzi, Johnson, Bardsley, Adam, Arnautovic all fall into that bracket. Not least the manager.
Fucking disgraceful given the wealth and we'll be lucky to get past Coventry at this rate never mind stay in the league
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Post by stokiekm on Dec 17, 2017 23:27:44 GMT
Who reckons we helped him get fired up by non stop wanker wanker and one greedy bastard chant? There was the potential his reaction would be to see red but unfortunately I think he revelled in it
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 17, 2017 23:29:28 GMT
Who reckons we helped him get fired up by non stop wanker wanker and one greedy bastard chant? There was the potential his reaction would be to see red but unfortunately I think he revelled in it If he was wound up he'd of been easily sent off if we pressed the right buttons, he left without even a bruise
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Post by Gods on Dec 17, 2017 23:29:46 GMT
Yes. Arnie carried our attacking threat for ages, in the same way that N'Zonzi carried our midfield. Arnie was much maligned, and wrongly so. People have tried to convince themselves that he isn't a big loss, but he really is. Yes, that is the painful truth. I sometimes lie awake at night imagining if we still had Arnie and The Zonz ! We haven't come near to adequately replacing either of them. They were quite simply two of our best players, ever, and I'm glad I saw them in a Stoke City shirt, even if it wasn't for long enough.
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Post by stokiekm on Dec 17, 2017 23:31:09 GMT
Who reckons we helped him get fired up by non stop wanker wanker and one greedy bastard chant? There was the potential his reaction would be to see red but unfortunately I think he revelled in it If he was wound up he'd of been easily sent off if we pressed the right buttons, he left without even a bruise yep unless he bruised himself when beating his hammers badge
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Post by leoncort on Dec 17, 2017 23:34:39 GMT
Yes. Arnie carried our attacking threat for ages, in the same way that N'Zonzi carried our midfield. Arnie was much maligned, and wrongly so. People have tried to convince themselves that he isn't a big loss, but he really is. Yes, that is the painful truth. I sometimes lie awake at night imagining if we still had Arnie and The Zonz ! We haven't come near to adequately replacing either of them. They were quite simply two of our best players, ever, and I'm glad I saw them in a Stoke City shirt, even if it wasn't for long enough. Add to this list Robert Huth. Bought wolly and wimmer to replace him, neither fit to lace his boots. Wolly the better of the two for me, with Wimmer seemingly uninterested and can't defend for shit.
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Post by oatcakesteve on Dec 17, 2017 23:39:07 GMT
No. Minus 20 goals has nowt to do with Arnie.
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Post by Gods on Dec 17, 2017 23:42:00 GMT
No. Minus 20 goals has nowt to do with Arnie. Be minus 19 without Arnie, he can paper over my crack any day
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 18, 2017 0:14:20 GMT
No.
Only during the last 12 months did he turn it on consistently.
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Post by oatcakesteve on Dec 18, 2017 0:22:14 GMT
No. Minus 20 goals has nowt to do with Arnie. Be minus 19 without Arnie, he can paper over my crack any day Ok, one goal. I'll say nowt about your crack lol.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 11:38:24 GMT
If those past seasons consisted of six games each then sure he was magic the whole time. But of coursse they don't and it was the other 32 games that ensured we stayed pretty well afloat. He's played three good games for the shammers but he was completely rubbish in the ones before, apart from the three where he was suspended, and he'll go missing for them soon again. You obviously fail to see the value of match winning performances if all your attacking players produce 4 or 5 of them per season you'll have a bloody good season. Prefer a team of steady eddies? If they did that yea, but it seems only Man City's attackers are capable of that.
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Post by alster on Dec 18, 2017 12:34:58 GMT
You obviously fail to see the value of match winning performances if all your attacking players produce 4 or 5 of them per season you'll have a bloody good season. Prefer a team of steady eddies? If they did that yea, but it seems only Man City's attackers are capable of that. That's nonsense their attackers don't produce game in game out either they simply have more matchwinners whilst we have allowed our number of matchwinners to dwindle to 1. If you have Arnie & Shaq like we did last season and they produce a few matchwinning performances each there isn't too much left to achieve safety, cut that in half and you're giving yourself a mountain to climb as we can now see. Liverpool haven't invested that much money in their defence at all not much more than us, a dodgy big money signing a free transfer and development player quite often but they're 4th in the table because they have an array of matchwinners.
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