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Post by riccyfuller93 on Dec 17, 2017 3:38:06 GMT
You would think just about every formation consists of those major fundamentals to football.
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Post by scfcrmagic on Dec 17, 2017 3:43:01 GMT
Personally I’d being getting back to basics on the training ground...we can’t mark players properly, we can’t seem to pass the ball these days, we’re struggling in front of goal to hit the target, and we’re useless at set pieces. The only thing we’re good at these days is giving up when things aren’t going well....surely the team should be working harder to chase the ball down, hound the opposition, force the pass let them make the mistake. Too many teams seem to get a straight run at us when they are on the break, it’s like the watching the parting of the waves...we let’’em run straight down the middle to Butland..it’s like our lot are wearing cement boots. Yet when we are placed with the same situation of getting a good run down the middle, we stop hold the game up and wait for the opposition to get back into a nice defensive formation, whilst our team mates jog down the pitch with very little sense of urgency. ..ffs if you’ve got the ball and you’re own your own ...keep running towards the opposition goal and have a shot...or is that too insane ?
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Post by Northy on Dec 17, 2017 6:21:02 GMT
Personally I’d being getting back to basics on the training ground...we can’t mark players properly, we can’t seem to pass the ball these days, we’re struggling in front of goal to hit the target, and we’re useless at set pieces. The only thing we’re good at these days is giving up when things aren’t going well....surely the team should be working harder to chase the ball down, hound the opposition, force the pass let them make the mistake. Too many teams seem to get a straight run at us when they are on the break, it’s like the watching the parting of the waves...we let’’em run straight down the middle to Butland..it’s like our lot are wearing cement boots. Yet when we are placed with the same situation of getting a good run down the middle, we stop hold the game up and wait for the opposition to get back into a nice defensive formation, whilst our team mates jog down the pitch with very little sense of urgency. ..ffs if you’ve got the ball and you’re own your own ...keep running towards the opposition goal and have a shot...or is that too insane ? agree here, it's like watching an u7's at times, who haven't learnt the basics and don't know how to set up or do the basics.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Dec 17, 2017 7:31:42 GMT
Personally I’d being getting back to basics on the training ground...we can’t mark players properly, we can’t seem to pass the ball these days, we’re struggling in front of goal to hit the target, and we’re useless at set pieces. The only thing we’re good at these days is giving up when things aren’t going well....surely the team should be working harder to chase the ball down, hound the opposition, force the pass let them make the mistake. Too many teams seem to get a straight run at us when they are on the break, it’s like the watching the parting of the waves...we let’’em run straight down the middle to Butland..it’s like our lot are wearing cement boots. Yet when we are placed with the same situation of getting a good run down the middle, we stop hold the game up and wait for the opposition to get back into a nice defensive formation, whilst our team mates jog down the pitch with very little sense of urgency. ..ffs if you’ve got the ball and you’re own your own ...keep running towards the opposition goal and have a shot...or is that too insane ? There’s so much wrong with the way we set up, I seriously think LMH has run out of ideas. Time for a change I’m afraid.
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Post by 1982stokie on Dec 17, 2017 9:04:00 GMT
What I think stands out is how void of ideas we have in the final 3rd, it's like they are strangers know one seems to make runs even to pull a defender out of position, and then there is our shooting, has anyone watched the shooting drills before kick off its pathetic.
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Post by meatus on Dec 17, 2017 9:19:18 GMT
Improve their physical fitness Look at how many players were jogging back into position when attacks broke down and look at how many goals we’ve conceded in the last 15 minutes
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Post by harrysburrow on Dec 17, 2017 9:41:00 GMT
They're not anywhere near fit - looked like we were playing with 8 for the last 20 minutes?
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Post by alster on Dec 17, 2017 9:52:47 GMT
Our players need to be nastier and more cynical I'm afraid as a team we're far too nice to the point where we'd rather lose than show some nastiness.
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Post by Southstander on Dec 17, 2017 10:16:48 GMT
They can start by turning up.
Nobody offers any movement off the ball; they're consistently second to any loose ball; they're dodging tackles; can't deliver a decent cross to the tallest player in the league; surrendering possession with no-look passes; repeating individual mistakes and continually being dragged out of position to leave giant holes that scream "This way for a free shot!" to the opposition.
I've long wanted Hughes out - since Palace away last season actually - but the players must shoulder the blame too. They've been absolutely dire. Forget the system (sorry, "the system") and the shape, they're failing to even do the basics.
Wimmer, Pieters, Johnson, Imbula, Berahino etc - all go without saying - but there's an air of resignation about the whole team. They're all complicit in the dire circumstances we find ourselves. Shawcross has fallen off a cliff and it's anyone's guess what direction the ball's going to go off his head, it's far too easy to stick the ball past Butland and Shaqiri isn't half the player he thinks he is... or we thought he was!
In fact, Shaqiri angers me the most. He might be the only one capable of creating something, but he hasn't done it nearly enough in the time he's been here - an illusion of linesman-gesturing, crowd-baiting histrionics (imploring the Boothen to make some noise when you've been anonymous for another 90 minutes? Piss off Shaq), very selective highlights reels and throwing himself to the ground when he's lost the ball... or even before he's lost it. That arms-folded celebration will remain second in my memory of him once he's gone, to the image of him dumped on the floor flicking his wrists at the officials.
In our 10th season in the Premier League and facing a relegation battle for the first real time? Fair enough. I could accept that if there was any battle or bottle in our players, but we have a bewildered husk of a team accommodating all comers and rolling over week in, week out.
The team is rotten and the setup riddled with ineptitude and impotency.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 17, 2017 10:21:32 GMT
Stop making stupid mistakes. Keep their concentration for 90+ minutes once a week (occasionally twice a week). Run a bit harder, tackle a bit harder. Move the ball a bit quicker. Don't be afraid to shoot. Pass to each other. Talk to each other, shout at each other when they need to?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 17, 2017 11:55:11 GMT
Earn their fucking hugh pay packets.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 17, 2017 12:08:43 GMT
The squad is fucked. I.E. it simply isn't set up to play any sort of formation effectively and I haven't got the foggiest what our best team is but what I do know is 442 is never going to work for us no matter how much a lot of the fans screamed for it.
Imo, we need to go back to 4231 with Shaqiri central and when fit we need Shawcross and Zouma as our CB partnership as they looked pretty good against Burnley. I'd also suggest a midfield partnership of Allen and Cameron as a must until we hopefully sign someone in January.
Peiters at LB is nailed on currently and I think Choupo needs to come back in, probably for Ramadan. Oh yeah, Butland starts also but that's obvious.
So.. that leaves RB, RW and CF as a 'who the fuck knows?!' With the players we have. Probably Edwards at RB, Diouf as CF and.. pfft, tombola time for RW.
It's a mess.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 17, 2017 12:17:04 GMT
The squad is fucked. I.E. it simply isn't set up to play any sort of formation effectively and I haven't got the foggiest what our best team is but what I do know is 442 is never going to work for us no matter how much a lot of the fans screamed for it. Imo, we need to go back to 4231 with Shaqiri central and when fit we need Shawcross and Zouma as our CB partnership as they looked pretty good against Burnley. I'd also suggest a midfield partnership of Allen and Cameron as a must until we hopefully sign someone in January. Peiters at LB is nailed on currently and I think Choupo needs to come back in, probably for Ramadan. Oh yeah, Butland starts also but that's obvious. So.. that leaves RB, RW and CF as a 'who the fuck knows?!' With the players we have. Probably Edwards at RB, Diouf as CF and.. pfft, tombola time for RW. It's a mess. Agree with all of that, I guess Diouf ends up on the right, with Berahino up front, simply because we don't have anybody else to play in those positions. It's shocking how bad the squad that Hughes has assembled actually is.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 17, 2017 12:19:02 GMT
The squad is fucked. I.E. it simply isn't set up to play any sort of formation effectively and I haven't got the foggiest what our best team is but what I do know is 442 is never going to work for us no matter how much a lot of the fans screamed for it. Imo, we need to go back to 4231 with Shaqiri central and when fit we need Shawcross and Zouma as our CB partnership as they looked pretty good against Burnley. I'd also suggest a midfield partnership of Allen and Cameron as a must until we hopefully sign someone in January. Peiters at LB is nailed on currently and I think Choupo needs to come back in, probably for Ramadan. Oh yeah, Butland starts also but that's obvious. So.. that leaves RB, RW and CF as a 'who the fuck knows?!' With the players we have. Probably Edwards at RB, Diouf as CF and.. pfft, tombola time for RW. It's a mess. Agree with all of that, I guess Diouf ends up on the right, with Berahino up front, simply because we don't have anybody else to play in those positions. It's shocking how bad the squad that Hughes has assembled actually is. I initially had Diouf on the right but don't think Crouch should start or that Berahino can do it as a lone striker.. It's hard to fathom how bad the squad has quickly become.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2017 12:23:42 GMT
The squad is fucked. I.E. it simply isn't set up to play any sort of formation effectively and I haven't got the foggiest what our best team is but what I do know is 442 is never going to work for us no matter how much a lot of the fans screamed for it. Imo, we need to go back to 4231 with Shaqiri central and when fit we need Shawcross and Zouma as our CB partnership as they looked pretty good against Burnley. I'd also suggest a midfield partnership of Allen and Cameron as a must until we hopefully sign someone in January. Peiters at LB is nailed on currently and I think Choupo needs to come back in, probably for Ramadan. Oh yeah, Butland starts also but that's obvious. So.. that leaves RB, RW and CF as a 'who the fuck knows?!' With the players we have. Probably Edwards at RB, Diouf as CF and.. pfft, tombola time for RW. It's a mess. Dead right, it's a mess. Most of our players are ordinary, but who will we realistically sign in January? I have only heard Slimani mentioned, and I rate him, but we need much more than just a striker. My worry is even our fellow strugglers have a bit more about them than we do, either in terms of pace, organization or plain old fight. We badly need at least 3 players, and I don't see us getting them. This is as bad as it gets. I honestly haven't seen 3 worse teams than us this season.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 17, 2017 12:28:56 GMT
The squad is fucked. I.E. it simply isn't set up to play any sort of formation effectively and I haven't got the foggiest what our best team is but what I do know is 442 is never going to work for us no matter how much a lot of the fans screamed for it. Imo, we need to go back to 4231 with Shaqiri central and when fit we need Shawcross and Zouma as our CB partnership as they looked pretty good against Burnley. I'd also suggest a midfield partnership of Allen and Cameron as a must until we hopefully sign someone in January. Peiters at LB is nailed on currently and I think Choupo needs to come back in, probably for Ramadan. Oh yeah, Butland starts also but that's obvious. So.. that leaves RB, RW and CF as a 'who the fuck knows?!' With the players we have. Probably Edwards at RB, Diouf as CF and.. pfft, tombola time for RW. It's a mess. Dead right, it's a mess. Most of our players are ordinary, but who will we realistically sign in January? I have only heard Slimani mentioned, and I rate him, but we need much more than just a striker. My worry is even our fellow strugglers have a bit more about them than we do, either in terms of pace, organization or plain old fight. We badly need at least 3 players, and I don't see us getting them. This is as bad as it gets. I honestly haven't seen 3 worse teams than us this season. If Coates doesn't get the cheque book out in January to give to the new manager or Hughes (which is a horrifying prospect, I'll admit) then we deserve to go down and he deserves all the stick that'll go his way.
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Post by alster on Dec 17, 2017 12:31:18 GMT
The squad is fucked. I.E. it simply isn't set up to play any sort of formation effectively and I haven't got the foggiest what our best team is but what I do know is 442 is never going to work for us no matter how much a lot of the fans screamed for it. Imo, we need to go back to 4231 with Shaqiri central and when fit we need Shawcross and Zouma as our CB partnership as they looked pretty good against Burnley. I'd also suggest a midfield partnership of Allen and Cameron as a must until we hopefully sign someone in January. Peiters at LB is nailed on currently and I think Choupo needs to come back in, probably for Ramadan. Oh yeah, Butland starts also but that's obvious. So.. that leaves RB, RW and CF as a 'who the fuck knows?!' With the players we have. Probably Edwards at RB, Diouf as CF and.. pfft, tombola time for RW. It's a mess. Dead right, it's a mess. Most of our players are ordinary, but who will we realistically sign in January? I have only heard Slimani mentioned, and I rate him, but we need much more than just a striker. My worry is even our fellow strugglers have a bit more about them than we do, either in terms of pace, organization or plain old fight. We badly need at least 3 players, and I don't see us getting them. This is as bad as it gets. I honestly haven't seen 3 worse teams than us this season. I do think Slimani would improve us but it certainly won't be the sort of value deal that the club has been seeking. There will have to be a change of thinking for it to happen.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 17, 2017 12:34:25 GMT
Hard to put right in the short term but our fitness is a major issue IMO.
We seem to run out of steam mid second half, sometimes earlier, and our terrible injury record must be linked to this too.
We will always meet more skillful teams but there’s no excuse for not matching them in fitness terms.
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Post by liamo on Dec 17, 2017 12:34:36 GMT
We have no identity, i'm convinced the only reason Hughes did any good here was because we mixed what was left of the Pulis fighting team with the flair of Bojan and the like but as the seasons have gone on we've lost that fight and all we're left with is a team that represents Hughes, a wet boring soggy biscuit of a team with no fight in it at all
Since Hughes took over we've looked consistently unfit and weak, we've had a stupid amount of injuries and we've bought troubled players that don't fit in to any formation we play, the ones that weren't fucked off on loan that is, we chased Diouf for how long? Only to find out he isn't the best finisher and we decided to play him on the wing and then eventually wing back, we chased Berahino while we were using a single striker system, Berahino is not and never will be a lone striker, we played Joe Allen at No.10 because he didn't fit the role we bought him for, he's now back playing that role, there's just so many questionable decisions that Hughes has made
What can the players do? Not much if i'm honest, they look every bit as confused and lost as the fans do, Hughes has accumulated a squad of players that do not suit any one system so no matter what formation we play someone is uncomfortable and out of position
Hughes needs to be kicked out on his arse, a new man needs to be given the job, set out a plan of action and be given money to put his plan to work, giving Hughes more money at this point is fucking insanity, giving him more games is fucking insanity, we're rocking on the edge of a cliff, for some reason Pete and Mark want to lemming us off
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Post by slother on Dec 17, 2017 12:38:21 GMT
We have no identity, i'm convinced the only reason Hughes did any good here was because we mixed what was left of the Pulis fighting team with the flair of Bojan and the like but as the seasons have gone on we've lost that fight and all we're left with is a team that represents Hughes, a wet boring soggy biscuit of a team with no fight in it at all Since Hughes took over we've looked consistently unfit and weak, we've had a stupid amount of injuries and we've bought troubled players that don't fit in to any formation we play, the ones that weren't fucked off on loan that is, we chased Diouf for how long? Only to find out he isn't the best finisher and we decided to play him on the wing and then eventually wing back, we chased Berahino while we were using a single striker system, Berahino is not and never will be a lone striker, we played Joe Allen at No.10 because he didn't fit the role we bought him for, he's now back playing that role, there's just so many questionable decisions that Hughes has made What can the players do? Not much if i'm honest, they look every bit as confused and lost as the fans do, Hughes has accumulated a squad of players that do not suit any one system so no matter what formation we play someone is uncomfortable and out of position Hughes needs to be kicked out on his arse, a new man needs to be given the job, set out a plan of action and be given money to put his plan to work, giving Hughes more money at this point is fucking insanity, giving him more games is fucking insanity, we're rocking on the edge of a cliff, for some reason Pete and Mark want to lemming us off Agree with every word.
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Post by scfcrmagic on Dec 17, 2017 13:33:09 GMT
Hard to put right in the short term but our fitness is a major issue IMO. We seem to run out of steam mid second half, sometimes earlier, and our terrible injury record must be linked to this too. We will always meet more skillful teams but there’s no excuse for not matching them in fitness terms. I totally agree, I heard yesterday that Shaq has his own personal fitness coach because he doesn’t think the coaches at stoke work on fitness levels enough. Which if this is true does show that Shaq is at least doing something about it for himself, and you have to agree he looks fitter this season ..he certainly seems to cover more ground than the rest with exception of Joe Allen, who also seems to be fit. The rest look knackered in the second half. The alarming thing is that Shaq will not stay if he doesn’t think the set up is up to scratch I my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 13:34:39 GMT
A new manager will shake things up
Imagine a revitalised Berahino scoring for fun 😇😱😉
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 17, 2017 14:01:29 GMT
At least try to look as if they give a FCUK.
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Post by localloser on Dec 17, 2017 15:36:09 GMT
Dead right, it's a mess. Most of our players are ordinary, but who will we realistically sign in January? I have only heard Slimani mentioned, and I rate him, but we need much more than just a striker. My worry is even our fellow strugglers have a bit more about them than we do, either in terms of pace, organization or plain old fight. We badly need at least 3 players, and I don't see us getting them. This is as bad as it gets. I honestly haven't seen 3 worse teams than us this season. If Coates doesn't get the cheque book out in January to give to the new manager or Hughes (which is a horrifying prospect, I'll admit) then we deserve to go down and he deserves all the stick that'll go his way. The problem as I see it, General, is that footballers talk to each other - they have mates all over the place and professional football is a relatively small world. What footballer in their right mind would want to come to Stoke at the moment? The players can''t be happy and will be telling their chums yo give us a wide berth. Hughes is toxic, and they all know the supporters aren't happy. Moreover, they all watch the football programmes on telly and hearing the pundits tell the world we are struggling is surely going to put anyone off. So I fear that, we can identify all the players we'd like, but, unless the situation changes radically and quickly, we won't be able to persuade anyone with any quality to come - if I was a premier league or even a championship player you wouldn't get me within 100 miles of the place. That for me is why we need regime change sooner rather than later
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Post by superheroantonius on Dec 17, 2017 18:18:44 GMT
If Coates doesn't get the cheque book out in January to give to the new manager or Hughes (which is a horrifying prospect, I'll admit) then we deserve to go down and he deserves all the stick that'll go his way. The problem as I see it, General, is that footballers talk to each other - they have mates all over the place and professional football is a relatively small world. What footballer in their right mind would want to come to Stoke at the moment? The players can''t be happy and will be telling their chums yo give us a wide berth. Hughes is toxic, and they all know the supporters aren't happy. Moreover, they all watch the football programmes on telly and hearing the pundits tell the world we are struggling is surely going to put anyone off. So I fear that, we can identify all the players we'd like, but, unless the situation changes radically and quickly, we won't be able to persuade anyone with any quality to come - if I was a premier league or even a championship player you wouldn't get me within 100 miles of the place. That for me is why we need regime change sooner rather than later Totally agree And you can double that for young players What young player in their right mind would join stoke now
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