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Post by Malex on Dec 16, 2017 20:05:21 GMT
Thought he looked ok, happy he finally got some minutes. Bigger issue for me is why we're pretty much half way through the season and this is the first time we've seen the lad play any premier league football. Hughes neglect of our 'prospects' is criminal. It's not as if the old timers are performing. The Hull chairman was right a couple of months back: www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/joining-stoke-city-the-wrong-645076
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 20:07:22 GMT
The cheers that greeted those changes were seriously, seriously weird. Berahino got a hero’s welcome despite having done absolutely shit all for a year. Tymon is a kid and is light years from being ready. Charlie Adam is Charlie Adam. The crowd acted like Jesus was riding in on a donkey. In reality the changes fucked us completely. Fletcher was having one of his better games and with Adam in a midfield two we completely lost our shape. Diouf was poor again but he has twice the presence of Berahino who just doesn’t get into dangerous positions or influence the game at all. Tymon was a disaster in what was already a rotten defence - the lad is desperate for a loan. I think it was more because Hughes actually tried something rather than waiting until the 80th min like he usually does. That's what I was cheering for tbh.
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Post by Malex on Dec 16, 2017 20:13:17 GMT
Lets hope the sad and pathetic call for the youngsters to start, ceases. Edwards Tymon and Ngoy represent some real potential in a couple years time...NOT NOW!!! It's so easy for supporters to bring out the old cliche of give youth a chance...wake up call it rarely happens in the premier league. Lots of criticism of Hughes over many aspects of his tenure but handling the kiddies isn't one of them. I agree that as it stands the youngsters shouldn't be starting.... The problem is that we don't even know what potential any of them have as we rarely see them. Minus two throwings to the wolves for Edwards. How many games has Hughes not used all of his substitutions? How much worse could we really have done if he gave the occasional kid 15/20 minutes at the end of a game? If he'd done that then they wouldn't be as inexperienced if/when we ultimately need to turn to them as may well be the case with Tymon now.
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Post by tinofspam on Dec 16, 2017 20:13:26 GMT
We're heading for the bottom 3 and have ran out of ideas, but as soon as we get one you're picking fault! Just be glad he's actually trying something different! The substitutions made no sense at all. How did crouch and ramadan complete 90 minutes. Adam for crouch, choupo for ramadan seemed pretty fucking obvious to me. The subs cost us any chance at all of getting back into the game. I agree with you there that them 2 seem to struggle but I think he keeps crouch on for height and defending but that doesn't seem to work either way :/ . Probabaly would have kept it the same but Berahino for crouch not diouf!
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 16, 2017 20:14:45 GMT
I thought it was a pity that everybody was too busy cheering the fact that he was being taken off to pay any attention to the fact that Pieters made a lung busting sprint on his one working leg in order to prevent a dangerous break away.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 16, 2017 20:15:41 GMT
the fact we have no other replacement for Pieters then suggests how badly recruitment for this club has been.
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Post by alster on Dec 16, 2017 20:16:19 GMT
I just want to make sure that I get this right- Eric Peters has played almost every minute of this season in which we have conceded 30 odd goals and probably been average or poor for 60% of that time. Tymon comes on and DJ gets stuck into him? Whether it was a dive or not, Eric was too close to pull out but not close enough to win the tackle. Over the past season and a half Eric has cost Stoke directly 8 or more goals. Tymon will have a little bit of credit for a while. Anyway if he claps the crowd we can forgive him having a poor game or does that only apply to certain players? This is what Hughes has now done- reduced normally balanced posters into people who are on the verge of losing it. Can't believe you're blaming Pieters for the first goal Camerons fault all day should have tackled or just plain brought his man down not too far into our half just lets him run away from him. Same for Tymon with the second just try to win the ball if you can't thou shalt not pass. Worst case scenario 2 yellow cards 0 goals against. Tymon really doesn't deserve any shit whatsoever he looked like what he is a promising young wingback bit lightweight and suspect defensively much more threatening going forward than anyone else we play as a wingback.
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Post by thegift on Dec 16, 2017 20:16:35 GMT
All you lot were right about wanting him to replace pietdrs weren't you? What a find! As soon as Erik went off, arnie drifted to the left and we fell apart. A large proportion of our super knowledgable crowd cheered the arrival of the 3 subs and we promptly collapsed. Horse shit. Tymon looked good when he came on. Didn't do well for arnie's goal but at least his put some effort in.
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Post by thegift on Dec 16, 2017 20:17:21 GMT
The cheers that greeted those changes were seriously, seriously weird. Berahino got a hero’s welcome despite having done absolutely shit all for a year. Tymon is a kid and is light years from being ready. Charlie Adam is Charlie Adam. The crowd acted like Jesus was riding in on a donkey. In reality the changes fucked us completely. Fletcher was having one of his better games and with Adam in a midfield two we completely lost our shape. Diouf was poor again but he has twice the presence of Berahino who just doesn’t get into dangerous positions or influence the game at all. Tymon was a disaster in what was already a rotten defence - the lad is desperate for a loan. Fletcher was having one of his better games?????
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Post by kustokie on Dec 16, 2017 20:21:17 GMT
Thought Pieters had a good game. Tymon looks quick. I’d look quick playing alongside Wimmer!
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Dec 16, 2017 20:57:39 GMT
The cheers that greeted those changes were seriously, seriously weird. Berahino got a hero’s welcome despite having done absolutely shit all for a year. Tymon is a kid and is light years from being ready. Charlie Adam is Charlie Adam. The crowd acted like Jesus was riding in on a donkey. In reality the changes fucked us completely. Fletcher was having one of his better games and with Adam in a midfield two we completely lost our shape. Diouf was poor again but he has twice the presence of Berahino who just doesn’t get into dangerous positions or influence the game at all. Tymon was a disaster in what was already a rotten defence - the lad is desperate for a loan. I think it was more because Hughes actually tried something rather than waiting until the 80th min like he usually does. That's my reading of it. He went for it. It didn't work but far better that than just letting us walk to defeat again. Yes the players who came on might have cost us something defensively but equally gave us chances which we ultimately didn't take.
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Post by wembley1972 on Dec 16, 2017 21:33:10 GMT
The cheers that greeted those changes were seriously, seriously weird. Berahino got a hero’s welcome despite having done absolutely shit all for a year. Tymon is a kid and is light years from being ready. Charlie Adam is Charlie Adam. The crowd acted like Jesus was riding in on a donkey. In reality the changes fucked us completely. Fletcher was having one of his better games and with Adam in a midfield two we completely lost our shape. Diouf was poor again but he has twice the presence of Berahino who just doesn’t get into dangerous positions or influence the game at all. Tymon was a disaster in what was already a rotten defence - the lad is desperate for a loan. I think the cheering on of Berahino Adam and Tymon was the crowds way of showing we were behind the team. I'm not surprised that Peters got cheered off, unfortunately for him he has become a bit of a scapegoat, he's not a wingback and has lost his confidence so badly that he is struggling to play at left back now. Tymon was trying a bit too hard to impress but looks promising. Not sure what you were watching, Fletcher was poor today again, too many misplaced or poor passes. Adam was better whe he came on. Diouf will run his balls off but his touch was s woeful, he can trap it further than most players can kick it! You have to blame the manager and coaching staff for the position we are in, all three substitutions were warranted.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 16, 2017 21:34:50 GMT
The cheers that greeted those changes were seriously, seriously weird. Berahino got a hero’s welcome despite having done absolutely shit all for a year. Tymon is a kid and is light years from being ready. Charlie Adam is Charlie Adam. The crowd acted like Jesus was riding in on a donkey. In reality the changes fucked us completely. Fletcher was having one of his better games and with Adam in a midfield two we completely lost our shape. Diouf was poor again but he has twice the presence of Berahino who just doesn’t get into dangerous positions or influence the game at all. Tymon was a disaster in what was already a rotten defence - the lad is desperate for a loan. I think the cheering on of Berahino Adam and Tymon was the crowds way of showing we were behind the team. I'm not surprised that Peters got cheered off, unfortunately for him he has become a bit of a scapegoat, he's not a wingback and has lost his confidence so badly that he is struggling to play at left back now. Tymon was trying a bit too hard to impress but looks promising. Not sure what you were watching, Fletcher was poor today again, too many misplaced or poor passes. Adam was better whe he came on. Diouf will run his balls off but his touch was s woeful, he can trap it further than most players can kick it! You have to blame the manager and coaching staff for the position we are in, all three substitutions were warranted. I don’t think they were. Fletcher was playing alright. Diouf offers more than Saido.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 16, 2017 21:36:19 GMT
The cheers that greeted those changes were seriously, seriously weird. Berahino got a hero’s welcome despite having done absolutely shit all for a year. Tymon is a kid and is light years from being ready. Charlie Adam is Charlie Adam. The crowd acted like Jesus was riding in on a donkey. In reality the changes fucked us completely. Fletcher was having one of his better games and with Adam in a midfield two we completely lost our shape. Diouf was poor again but he has twice the presence of Berahino who just doesn’t get into dangerous positions or influence the game at all. Tymon was a disaster in what was already a rotten defence - the lad is desperate for a loan. I think the cheering on of Berahino Adam and Tymon was the crowds way of showing we were behind the team. I'm not surprised that Peters got cheered off, unfortunately for him he has become a bit of a scapegoat, he's not a wingback and has lost his confidence so badly that he is struggling to play at left back now. Tymon was trying a bit too hard to impress but looks promising. Not sure what you were watching, Fletcher was poor today again, too many misplaced or poor passes. Adam was better whe he came on. Diouf will run his balls off but his touch was s woeful, he can trap it further than most players can kick it! You have to blame the manager and coaching staff for the position we are in, all three substitutions were warranted. Diouf is wank. Crouch is even worse. Ramadan has some good attributes...sadly kicking/striking a football isnt one of them.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 16, 2017 21:36:54 GMT
I think the cheering on of Berahino Adam and Tymon was the crowds way of showing we were behind the team. I'm not surprised that Peters got cheered off, unfortunately for him he has become a bit of a scapegoat, he's not a wingback and has lost his confidence so badly that he is struggling to play at left back now. Tymon was trying a bit too hard to impress but looks promising. Not sure what you were watching, Fletcher was poor today again, too many misplaced or poor passes. Adam was better whe he came on. Diouf will run his balls off but his touch was s woeful, he can trap it further than most players can kick it! You have to blame the manager and coaching staff for the position we are in, all three substitutions were warranted. I don’t think they were. Fletcher was playing alright. Diouf offers more than Saido. Diouf has been utter garbage in the last 3 games Rob and was rightly taken off today imo
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Post by mcw on Dec 16, 2017 21:37:45 GMT
Thought he was a breath of fresh air, put in two or three decent balls and I don't know what planet some people on here are on but we were chasing the game and having to take risks at the back. All in all a v good cameo
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 16, 2017 21:39:53 GMT
I don’t think they were. Fletcher was playing alright. Diouf offers more than Saido. Diouf has been utter garbage in the last 3 games Rob and was rightly taken off today imo N’goy would’ve been a better sub than Berahino. What are people seeing in him that I’m not?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 16, 2017 21:42:55 GMT
Diouf has been utter garbage in the last 3 games Rob and was rightly taken off today imo N’goy would’ve been a better sub than Berahino. What are people seeing in him that I’m not? Not seen enough of NGoy to comment on that Rob but surely a £12 million signing deserves a game or two?
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Post by alster on Dec 16, 2017 21:44:34 GMT
Thought he was a breath of fresh air, put in two or three decent balls and I don't know what planet some people on here are on but we were chasing the game and having to take risks at the back. All in all a v good cameo Just needs to take his man down for the second goal and take his card but it doesn't seem something our players are encouraged to do they'd rather lose.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 16, 2017 21:48:36 GMT
Pieters is shite whichever way you cut it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 16, 2017 21:48:47 GMT
N’goy would’ve been a better sub than Berahino. What are people seeing in him that I’m not? Not seen enough of NGoy to comment on that Rob but surely a £12 million signing deserves a game or two? What, purely because of his price tag? He’s had a game or two and been completely ineffectual, as he was today. Based on his performances what are people expecting from him? When everyone’s fit would our £18m centre back deserve a game or two?
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Post by wembley1972 on Dec 16, 2017 21:48:52 GMT
I think the cheering on of Berahino Adam and Tymon was the crowds way of showing we were behind the team. I'm not surprised that Peters got cheered off, unfortunately for him he has become a bit of a scapegoat, he's not a wingback and has lost his confidence so badly that he is struggling to play at left back now. Tymon was trying a bit too hard to impress but looks promising. Not sure what you were watching, Fletcher was poor today again, too many misplaced or poor passes. Adam was better whe he came on. Diouf will run his balls off but his touch was s woeful, he can trap it further than most players can kick it! You have to blame the manager and coaching staff for the position we are in, all three substitutions were warranted. I don’t think they were. Fletcher was playing alright. Diouf offers more than Saido. I respect your opinion but I watched Fletcher give a couple of suicide passes and put it straight out of play. I didn't notice any quick passing or neat through balls, I just don't see him creating anything of note, perhaps I'm being over critical but that's what we need from him. Playing alright against one of the poorer teams isn't good enough to help us out of the mire we are in. With regards to Berahino, I'm not a massive fan to be honest but he hasn't been given much playing time and I think his penalty miss hasn't helped his chances. I'm not even sure he was one of Hughes signings or he would have used him more surely.
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Post by mcw on Dec 16, 2017 21:50:07 GMT
Or possibly thought that tool of a referee would send him off! But yes generally we shy sway from committing cynical fouls. Overall I liked what I saw though talent wise.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 16, 2017 21:53:09 GMT
Not seen enough of NGoy to comment on that Rob but surely a £12 million signing deserves a game or two? What, purely because of his price tag? He’s had a game or two and been completely ineffectual, as he was today. Based on his performances what are people expecting from him? When everyone’s fit would our £18m centre back deserve a game or two? He needs a run of games alongside a partner to try and re discover his early WBA form,as for Wimmer I wouldn’t play him in the fuckin lads and dads
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Post by alster on Dec 16, 2017 21:54:03 GMT
Or possibly thought that tool of a referee would send him off! But yes generally we shy sway from committing cynical fouls. Overall I liked what I saw though talent wise. Definitely a team problem. The criticism of this young player today is shameful.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 16, 2017 21:57:47 GMT
I don’t think they were. Fletcher was playing alright. Diouf offers more than Saido. I respect your opinion but I watched Fletcher give a couple of suicide passes and put it straight out of play. I didn't notice any quick passing or neat through balls, I just don't see him creating anything of note, perhaps I'm being over critical but that's what we need from him. Playing alright against one of the poorer teams isn't good enough to help us out of the mire we are in. With regards to Berahino, I'm not a massive fan to be honest but he hasn't been given much playing time and I think his penalty miss hasn't helped his chances. I'm not even sure he was one of Hughes signings or he would have used him more surely. We chased him for three windows and bid £20m for him at one point. Do you really think the manager of the club wouldn’t want a player we’d go to those lengths for? He’s made over 30 appearances for the club and been here a year. What is he good at? He’s not quick. He’s not physical. He’s not good on the ball. He’s not dangerous. What influence does he have? Fletcher’s pass completion was bettered by only two Stoke players and when he went off we lost our shape completely.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 16, 2017 21:58:38 GMT
What, purely because of his price tag? He’s had a game or two and been completely ineffectual, as he was today. Based on his performances what are people expecting from him? When everyone’s fit would our £18m centre back deserve a game or two? He needs a run of games alongside a partner to try and re discover his early WBA form,as for Wimmer I wouldn’t play him in the fuckin lads and dads He hasn’t looked at any stage like he’s capable of doing that though and good players usually show at least glimpses of something. We can’t carry passengers and that’s what he’s been.
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Post by datguy on Dec 16, 2017 21:59:36 GMT
Davejohnno's a bit of a dick.
If you haven't yet, look at his comments regarding mental health in a Clark Carlisle thread.
Slated Edwards as well. Idiot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 22:00:20 GMT
No that isn't me... But what if I was? Were you going to come & attempt to beat me up or something for not wanting to slaughter young kids getting a chance in our team? Proper ten men you are. Tymon will be fine in a few years. My dig is less at him and the fairly disgusting cheers that pieters had when going off That was wanky, to be fair...
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Post by alster on Dec 16, 2017 22:00:45 GMT
I respect your opinion but I watched Fletcher give a couple of suicide passes and put it straight out of play. I didn't notice any quick passing or neat through balls, I just don't see him creating anything of note, perhaps I'm being over critical but that's what we need from him. Playing alright against one of the poorer teams isn't good enough to help us out of the mire we are in. With regards to Berahino, I'm not a massive fan to be honest but he hasn't been given much playing time and I think his penalty miss hasn't helped his chances. I'm not even sure he was one of Hughes signings or he would have used him more surely. We chased him for three windows and bid £20m for him at one point. Do you really think the manager of the club wouldn’t want a player we’d go to those lengths for? He’s made over 30 appearances for the club and been here a year. What is he good at? He’s not quick. He’s not physical. He’s not good on the ball. He’s not dangerous. What influence does he have? Fletcher’s pass completion was bettered by only two Stoke players and when he went off we lost our shape completely. Fletcher was wank again but should have been replaced by Affelay not hollywood Charlie. How is Berahino supposed to even look dangerous if all we do is hoof?
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