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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Dec 12, 2017 9:37:39 GMT
Nope, I think we can push for 15th. You'd gamble certain avoidance of relegation against finishing just two places higher? Really? I'd rip your arm right off with both hands for a guarantee of finishing 17th right now. sorry i missed the smiley face off, there was a huge degrees of sarcasm in my post.
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Post by alster on Dec 12, 2017 9:56:45 GMT
We won Arsenal and Southampton . we got a point at West Brom. Up 7 points . sadly -1 point for losing at Man city. When we drew last season. We are a much better team this season. it points that matter. Losing one nil or 7 nil it still no points. The management are not going to be so annoyed as we supporters who rightly so find 7 , 5 , 4 or 3 goals against us an embarrassment. Well straight away you've forgotten about the relegated teams of Hull, Sunderland and Middlesbrough, against whom we took 16 points out of a possible 18. So far we've had a 1-2 defeat at Newcastle and a 2-2 draw at Brighton in lieu of those games so we're already several points down there as well. We won 2 and drew one of our away games against relegated sides last year which at this moment in time is 3 pts down and can only become a maximum of 6 pts down at worst case scenario. Over against 6 pts up in the directly comparable fixtures. The fans are hysterical about the heavy losses but in reality we are only as shit as we were last season which to me was really bad but I can't understand why fans who were ready to put up with it then are now behaving in this hysterical manner. Yes he should have gone in the Summer, yes you should have made a fuss about the quality of the football last season but you didn't so why now?
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 12, 2017 10:13:33 GMT
Oh those who mocked when some said this back in August , said then if Hughes finished 17th with this squad he'd be manager of the year by miles , he won't be and 17th is a pipe dream with this under invested , shambles The only reason you got mocked is that you have been saying that every year for the past 10 years!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 12, 2017 10:32:08 GMT
You'd gamble certain avoidance of relegation against finishing just two places higher? Really? I'd rip your arm right off with both hands for a guarantee of finishing 17th right now. sorry i missed the smiley face off, there was a huge degrees of sarcasm in my post. Phew! I did wonder as I replied if I was setting myself up for one almighty whoosh! ๐
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 12, 2017 10:46:03 GMT
Peter Coates may have checked the stats when Hughes was manager of Fulham, after 19 games he had got just 19 points, yet finished in 8th place. I'm pretty certain Hughes will turn this round, but if the Chairman loses his nerve we will never know. Iโm sick and tired of this โHughes always starts slowlyโ bullshit. Even if itโs true that Hughes will turn things around, the vast majority have had enough of wasting the Summer instead of hitting the ground running in August with the preferred formation and starting line up. Itโs no wonder the transfer team canโt sign the right players if they donโt understand the system that the coach wants to play. They chased Berahino for three years only to find out Hughes had no idea how he was going to use him. The man is an idiot. Kus, the question in the thread title is not โshould MH goโ but โwould you take 17 th now. Clearly GeoffLs answer ( and mine ) is no. We think Stoke will end higher. If you want to talk about all the reasons you think MH should be gone, there are about a billion other threads for that.
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Post by hanibal7 on Dec 12, 2017 10:52:45 GMT
Oh those who mocked when some said this back in August , said then if Hughes finished 17th with this squad he'd be manager of the year by miles , he won't be and 17th is a pipe dream with this under invested , shamblesย They also mocked when you said it the other 8 years. He is gagging for us to get relegated so he can say, told you so, and nett spend.
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Post by stokemark on Dec 12, 2017 11:04:16 GMT
In answer to the topic question, no I wouldnt We should be striving to get as high a possible position shouldnt we? Why set our sights so low? If we END UP there then So be it We wont go down this year anyway so the question is a bit silly really I still find it amazing that any Stoke fan can be quite so confident given our 154 year track record
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 12, 2017 11:07:14 GMT
Oh those who mocked when some said this back in August , said then if Hughes finished 17th with this squad he'd be manager of the year by miles , he won't be and 17th is a pipe dream with this under invested , shambles You're right Benji we shouldn't have mocked you. I'm sorry. My mum always said 'never mock the afflicted'. Anyway Benj whats happened to the gravity crocodile nowadays? We're in the most perilous position we've been for years and he's gone awol. He should be having a field day. Is he off travelling or something? At least his appearance usually injected a bit of humour into your otherwise tedious posts.
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 12, 2017 11:07:39 GMT
Peter Coates may have checked the stats when Hughes was manager of Fulham, after 19 games he had got just 19 points, yet finished in 8th place. I'm pretty certain Hughes will turn this round, but if the Chairman loses his nerve we will never know. Iโm sick and tired of this โHughes always starts slowlyโ bullshit. Even if itโs true that Hughes will turn things around, the vast majority have had enough of wasting the Summer instead of hitting the ground running in August with the preferred formation and starting line up. Itโs no wonder the transfer team canโt sign the right players if they donโt understand the system that the coach wants to play. They chased Berahino for three years only to find out Hughes had no idea how he was going to use him. The man is an idiot. The thing is it's only partially true. 13/14 we got 21pts in the first half of the season, and 29 in the second half. Definitely finished better than we started. 14/15 25pts first half, 29pts second half. Slight improvement. 15/16 29pts first half, 22pts second half. Big reverse. 16/17 21pts first half, 23pts second half. Very slight improvement. So with us, he's only started slowly and finished strongly once, in his first season. His average first half-season points tally is 24. Average second half-season is 25.75 To get some comfort, we need 2 wins before the end of the year to stay on target for 40+ points and also hope that his slight overall improvement after the new year occurs again.
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 12, 2017 11:08:42 GMT
If you're confident we'll finish mid table you're lying I'd take 17th if it means a new manager next season Same here
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Post by jeycov on Dec 12, 2017 12:03:23 GMT
YES
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Post by 1982stokie on Dec 12, 2017 13:15:01 GMT
yes, it will be tough but at the moment I cant see enough fight in the team or manager
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 13:19:12 GMT
Yes but only if it means Hughes goes and is replaced by a good manager
Who I don't know
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 12, 2017 13:32:41 GMT
In answer to the topic question, no I wouldnt We should be striving to get as high a possible position shouldnt we? Why set our sights so low? If we END UP there then So be it We wont go down this year anyway so the question is a bit silly really I still find it amazing that any Stoke fan can be quite so confident given our 154 year track record What has happened in any business for the last 153 years is totally irrelevant to the situation today and moving forward from now. The squad is different to last season'r squad and the opposition are not exactly the same, the promoted teams have performed better than usual. The opposition is now generally tougher to beat I would say as most teams seemed to adopt a defensive attitude. Outside of the big 6 clubs and Everton, we are the only club to stay in the Prem., so why run down our 154 years history, there are 10,000s of fans of other league clubs who would love to be in Stoke's position. To accept 17th now is defeatist. The defending problems can be fixed, just as our inability to score from set pieces last season (and season before) have been fixed. We are the highest scoring team from corners in the Prem. It is just a question of teamwork and practice, not individual brilliance. We need to find the right players in January to plug our weaknesses, not buy defenders who at approaching the end of their careers. I suspect we have to break the transfer record again to get the quality we need.
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Post by stokemark on Dec 12, 2017 13:40:52 GMT
I still find it amazing that any Stoke fan can be quite so confident given our 154 year track record What has happened in any business for the last 153 years is totally irrelevant to the situation today and moving forward from now. The squad is different to last season'r squad and the opposition are not exactly the same, the promoted teams have performed better than usual. The opposition is now generally tougher to beat I would say as most teams seemed to adopt a defensive attitude. Outside of the big 6 clubs and Everton, we are the only club to stay in the Prem., so why run down our 154 years history, there are 10,000s of fans of other league clubs who would love to be in Stoke's position. To accept 17th now is defeatist. The defending problems can be fixed, just as our inability to score from set pieces last season (and season before) have been fixed. We are the highest scoring team from corners in the Prem. It is just a question of teamwork and practice, not individual brilliance. We need to find the right players in January to plug our weaknesses, not buy defenders who at approaching the end of their careers. I suspect we have to break the transfer record again to get the quality we need. You're an odd one aren't you
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 12, 2017 15:39:43 GMT
Can I let you know in April?
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Post by mrred on Dec 12, 2017 16:27:54 GMT
Would rather get relegated than finish anything less than 15th.
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Post by ramin on Dec 12, 2017 16:36:46 GMT
Would rather get relegated than finish anything less than 15th. That doesn't make any sense mate!!
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Dec 12, 2017 16:42:10 GMT
Would rather get relegated than finish anything less than 15th.
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Post by mrred on Dec 12, 2017 16:47:45 GMT
Would rather get relegated than finish anything less than 15th. That doesn't make any sense mate!! It does. We should be aiming as far up the table as possible. If the love for Stoke and football these days is just to stick around in the Premier League in a high enough position just so that we can survive long enough for the club to hoover up as much TV money as possible, then I'm out. After 10 years in the league, is this the best we can hope for? That the club can just snort up enough money as it can? I want to see us achieve things, not just tread water and be cannon fodder for the big 6. Like it or not, this is a shit leaguefor teams like us.
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Post by alster on Dec 12, 2017 16:51:14 GMT
Would rather get relegated than finish anything less than 15th. Balloon.
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Post by stillgame4it on Dec 12, 2017 16:54:26 GMT
Yes, would bite your hand off for it at the moment
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 3, 2018 12:16:45 GMT
I think this thread goes to show just how worried most of us have been for a while. I'd snap up the chance to take 17th at this moment in time. Gouranga.
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Post by wokka59 on Jan 3, 2018 20:36:43 GMT
in a heartbeat
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Post by jeycov on Jan 3, 2018 20:57:03 GMT
Yes
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Post by Billybigbollox on Jan 3, 2018 22:23:15 GMT
Absofuckinglutely.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Jan 3, 2018 22:26:36 GMT
Yes but only if we win the cup ๐
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jan 3, 2018 22:41:25 GMT
I'd rather go down watching LMH's carpet football than stay up watching Pulis' abominationball.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 3, 2018 22:43:57 GMT
I'd rather go down watching LMH's carpet football than stay up watching Pulis' abominationball. Carpet football๐๐๐๐๐๐ Youโve not been for a while then๐
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Post by thehoof on Jan 3, 2018 22:53:20 GMT
Yes- we don't look like we can do it, but it would certainly be an exciting end to the season- I would much prefer a nice run followed by a boring 13th place finish, but that seems unlikely? Anyway guys, lay off Benji- he may have been predicting this for several years, but he's certainly closer to reality at the moment than the likes of me, who think things can only get better when all the available evidence seems to point to the fact that they won't?
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