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Post by thegift on Dec 10, 2017 21:54:34 GMT
Agree with most other than charlie fucking adam. Another snake. Just want someone in the team instead of Fletcher, that's how desperate I am. afellay?
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Post by lordb on Dec 10, 2017 21:58:36 GMT
Maybe we could play Glen Johnson there instead ...
I'd genuinely rather see Johnson than Edwards in the starting 11. Don't be daft. Johnson is finished, Edwards can only learn and improve
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Post by lordb on Dec 10, 2017 22:02:23 GMT
Assuming Hughes is still about he MUST MUST MUST drop Darren Fletcher. I’d go with the following: Butland Zouma Shawcross Wimmer Pieters Cameron Allen Diouf Shaqiri Sobhi Berahino Subs: Grant, Edwards, Tymon, Fletcher, Afellay, Choupo Moting, Crouch,
That would be exactly my side but I'd play Edwards at right back and Zouma next to Ryan instead of Wimmer.
In fact, that's the team I suggested earlier in the week that I would have played today.
I'd have an extra midfielder, Afellay Choupo on the bench. Anyway whoever is in charge we need a reaction and not the anemic response we got v Bournemouth
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Post by thegift on Dec 10, 2017 22:04:34 GMT
Maybe we could play Glen Johnson there instead ...
I'd genuinely rather see Johnson than Edwards in the starting 11. Good god. Dave get off that crack pipe
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Post by cooper67 on Dec 10, 2017 22:04:37 GMT
We’ve sold just over 1,000 which reflects the mood. I’m an optimist, we’ll win 2-1...... If we have sold just over a thousand I find it quite bizarre.. Bizarre that we can shift the same for burnley on a week night as Brighton which is nearly in France! Factor in form and Xmas etc I know but still... burnley on m6 about 1 hour and 20-30? I am going by the way We didn't sell out last season either,and that was a night match. Took 3 hours to get there on the coaches as the M6 was a nightmare and then held outside Burnley by the police. Will be there on Tues-I just hope it is a bit warmer than at present.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 10, 2017 22:09:01 GMT
I'd genuinely rather see Johnson than Edwards in the starting 11. Don't be daft. Johnson is finished, Edwards can only learn and improve He needs to learn and improve somewhere else. In reality Cameron has to play at right back but ideally we need him in midfield. The only option I see for the foreseeable future is Cameron at right back with an extra body in midfield. Butland Cameron, shawcross, zouma, pieters Allen, Fletcher, affelay Shaq, diouf, ramadan I've thought of countless team line ups and I still can't get to an ideal because we have too many players who simply can't be anywhere near the team. For now, Edwards and wimmer need to be as far away from the team as is feasibly possible, as does Fletcher who only survives because Cameron is the only viable option at right back. Choupo needs a break and Ramadan deserves a start. He was harshly dropped in my opinion.
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Post by lordb on Dec 10, 2017 22:17:35 GMT
Don't be daft. Johnson is finished, Edwards can only learn and improve He needs to learn and improve somewhere else. In reality Cameron has to play at right back but ideally we need him in midfield. The only option I see for the foreseeable future is Cameron at right back with an extra body in midfield. Butland Cameron, shawcross, zouma, pieters Allen, Fletcher, affelay Shaq, diouf, ramadan I've thought of countless team line ups and I still can't get to an ideal because we have too many players who simply can't be anywhere near the team. For now, Edwards and wimmer need to be as far away from the team as is feasibly possible, as does Fletcher who only survives because Cameron is the only viable option at right back. Choupo needs a break and Ramadan deserves a start. He was harshly dropped in my opinion. Geoff is hit and miss at full back,we need him midfield to complement Allen. I don't see how you can form a reasonable opinion of Edwards from the two matches he's played,unless you have seen him for the U23's? I want to see more, he looks strong enough,his positioning looks ok and he can cross. Zouma is no fullback He's a good example of why midweek reserve team football should be brought back,a much stronger level than U23.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 10, 2017 22:22:19 GMT
He needs to learn and improve somewhere else. In reality Cameron has to play at right back but ideally we need him in midfield. The only option I see for the foreseeable future is Cameron at right back with an extra body in midfield. Butland Cameron, shawcross, zouma, pieters Allen, Fletcher, affelay Shaq, diouf, ramadan I've thought of countless team line ups and I still can't get to an ideal because we have too many players who simply can't be anywhere near the team. For now, Edwards and wimmer need to be as far away from the team as is feasibly possible, as does Fletcher who only survives because Cameron is the only viable option at right back. Choupo needs a break and Ramadan deserves a start. He was harshly dropped in my opinion. Geoff is hit and miss at full back,we need him midfield to complement Allen. I don't see how you can form a reasonable opinion of Edwards from the two matches he's played,unless you have seen him for the U23's? I want to see more, he looks strong enough,his positioning looks ok and he can cross. Zouma is no fullback He's a good example of why midweek reserve team football should be brought back,a much stronger level than U23. I've seen him once in youth football and he was outstanding. In pro football, I've seen him twice and other than an ability to cross a ball I've seen nothing that you have. He's blissfully unaware of any movement in behind him, he hasn't made a single tackle worthy of the name, he's got nowhere near close enough to his man and he doesn't even attempt to stop crosses coming into the box. In short, he's totally out of his depth and needs toughening up massively before he plays again. Edit - I agree with Cameron at right back but we got 2 of our 3 9th place and 50+ point seasons with him as our regular right back.
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Post by Northy on Dec 11, 2017 7:29:56 GMT
Butland
Edwards Zouma Shawcross Pieters Cameron Allen Choupo Shaqiri Sobhi Diouf
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 11, 2017 7:38:37 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 11, 2017 9:21:23 GMT
If only we could play Cameron at right-back and in midfield (is that the saddest sentence ever written in English?)
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Post by neddy on Dec 11, 2017 9:27:14 GMT
If only we could play Cameron at right-back and in midfield (is that the saddest sentence ever written in English?) 433 for me... Butland Cameron Zouma Shawry Fletch Allen Adam Shaq Diouf Choupo-Moting Plenty of options then from bench but key solidity with old pros in midfield......
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Post by neddy on Dec 11, 2017 9:28:11 GMT
If only we could play Cameron at right-back and in midfield (is that the saddest sentence ever written in English?) 433 for me... Butland Cameron Zouma Shawry Fletch Allen Adam Shaq Diouf Choupo-Moting Plenty of options then from bench but key solidity with old pros in midfield...... Missed Pieters off lol
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 9:29:58 GMT
If only we could play Cameron at right-back and in midfield (is that the saddest sentence ever written in English?) It is considering most were asking for him to be replaced as little as 12 months ago. Now he's seen as an incredible go to man in a crisis.
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 11, 2017 11:16:40 GMT
It's got to be 4-2-3-1
Butland
Cameron Shawcross Zouma Pieters
Allen Fletcher
Choups Shaqiri Ramadan
Diouf
Maybe Crouch up-top and Diouf out wide, but the rest of it's obvious to me. It won't be to Hughes though.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 11, 2017 11:19:45 GMT
It's got to be 4-2-3-1 Butland Cameron Shawcross Zouma Pieters Allen Fletcher Choups Shaqiri Ramadan Diouf Maybe Crouch up-top and Diouf out wide, but the rest of it's obvious to me. It won't be to Hughes though. That isn't obvious to me either. We simply have to get the extra body in midfield. Our defence is shit but the ease in which the opposition gets into our back line with one simple pass doesn't help matters either. 4-5-1 is the only viable option in my opinion. We have to get that extra body in midfield tomorrow night.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 12:25:53 GMT
cut it whichever way you like - analyze it to death - hope that nice things spring eternal
this is another defeat for Stoke City
my gran could score against Stoke at the moment (god rest her soul)
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Post by wearepremierleague on Dec 11, 2017 12:46:02 GMT
Butland Cameron Zouma Shawcross Pieters Allen Afellay Moting Shaqiri Sobhi Diouf / Saido
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Post by Scrotnig on Dec 11, 2017 12:48:36 GMT
We've already lost this match, waste of time anyone turning up, and that includes the players.
At the moment I'm sick of the club and its arrogant, dismissive attitude, constantly pretending nothing's wrong when it's becoming obvious we are going down.
Even the holocaust season was better than this, at least then we tried but were simply outclassed because we lacked the skill. Today we have a bunch of players who don't care about the club or the fans, and one of them even congratulated his former team mates after they thrashed us off the pitch.
Pathetic and disgraceful. I don't care what they do at Burnley, nor any other match until our clown of a manager is ousted.
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Post by lordb on Dec 11, 2017 13:29:51 GMT
If only we could play Cameron at right-back and in midfield (is that the saddest sentence ever written in English?) no mate: 'new contract for Glen Johnson' trumped it
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 13:30:03 GMT
We've already lost this match, waste of time anyone turning up, and that includes the players. At the moment I'm sick of the club and its arrogant, dismissive attitude, constantly pretending nothing's wrong when it's becoming obvious we are going down. Even the holocaust season was better than this, at least then we tried but were simply outclassed because we lacked the skill. Today we have a bunch of players who don't care about the club or the fans, and one of them even congratulated his former team mates after they thrashed us off the pitch. Pathetic and disgraceful. I don't care what they do at Burnley, nor any other match until our clown of a manager is ousted. Have we bollocks already lost the match. Things aren’t great at the moment but we’re not cut adrift on 7 points so lets not get carried away here.......
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Post by lordb on Dec 11, 2017 13:30:30 GMT
We've already lost this match, waste of time anyone turning up, and that includes the players. At the moment I'm sick of the club and its arrogant, dismissive attitude, constantly pretending nothing's wrong when it's becoming obvious we are going down. Even the holocaust season was better than this, at least then we tried but were simply outclassed because we lacked the skill. Today we have a bunch of players who don't care about the club or the fans, and one of them even congratulated his former team mates after they thrashed us off the pitch. Pathetic and disgraceful. I don't care what they do at Burnley, nor any other match until our clown of a manager is ousted. no the Holocaust wasn't better it absolutely wasn't
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Post by lordb on Dec 11, 2017 13:51:35 GMT
crumb of comfort:
Johnson ruled out of this match
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Post by Scrotnig on Dec 11, 2017 13:55:32 GMT
We've already lost this match, waste of time anyone turning up, and that includes the players. At the moment I'm sick of the club and its arrogant, dismissive attitude, constantly pretending nothing's wrong when it's becoming obvious we are going down. Even the holocaust season was better than this, at least then we tried but were simply outclassed because we lacked the skill. Today we have a bunch of players who don't care about the club or the fans, and one of them even congratulated his former team mates after they thrashed us off the pitch. Pathetic and disgraceful. I don't care what they do at Burnley, nor any other match until our clown of a manager is ousted. Have we bollocks already lost the match. Things aren’t great at the moment but we’re not cut adrift on 7 points so lets not get carried away here....... Only a matter of time. The teams below have started to improve, whereas we're getting worse. We are going down if Hughes stays and I have no interest in following this shit show until he goes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 14:06:44 GMT
Have we bollocks already lost the match. Things aren’t great at the moment but we’re not cut adrift on 7 points so lets not get carried away here....... Only a matter of time. The teams below have started to improve, whereas we're getting worse. We are going down if Hughes stays and I have no interest in following this shit show until he goes. Brilliant. Your prerogative of course, but if you think Newcastle, Swansea and West Brom are all starting to improve you're clearly letting your emotion get the better of rational thinking.....
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Post by thebet365 on Dec 11, 2017 14:18:16 GMT
Have we bollocks already lost the match. Things aren’t great at the moment but we’re not cut adrift on 7 points so lets not get carried away here....... Only a matter of time. The teams below have started to improve, whereas we're getting worse. We are going down if Hughes stays and I have no interest in following this shit show until he goes. Do us all a favour then and log off and don't log back on until Hughes has gone.
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Post by jezzascfc on Dec 11, 2017 16:09:56 GMT
It's got to be 4-2-3-1 Butland Cameron Shawcross Zouma Pieters Allen Fletcher Choups Shaqiri Ramadan Diouf Maybe Crouch up-top and Diouf out wide, but the rest of it's obvious to me. It won't be to Hughes though. That isn't obvious to me either. We simply have to get the extra body in midfield. Our defence is shit but the ease in which the opposition gets into our back line with one simple pass doesn't help matters either. 4-5-1 is the only viable option in my opinion. We have to get that extra body in midfield tomorrow night. I'm with trousers on this one (although I'd be tempted to go with his alternative of Diouf wide right and Crouch up front, and rest Choupo). 4-5-1 means no Shaq, as he is not in the middle then and is wasted wide right. If we have any realistic hope of winning this game, we have to play our most creative attacking force at number 10. As Diouf and Ramadan will track back, this can become a 4-4-1-1 when we are defending.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 16:14:48 GMT
It's got to be 4-2-3-1 Butland Cameron Shawcross Zouma Pieters Allen Fletcher Choups Shaqiri Ramadan Diouf Maybe Crouch up-top and Diouf out wide, but the rest of it's obvious to me. It won't be to Hughes though. That isn't obvious to me either. We simply have to get the extra body in midfield. Our defence is shit but the ease in which the opposition gets into our back line with one simple pass doesn't help matters either. 4-5-1 is the only viable option in my opinion. We have to get that extra body in midfield tomorrow night. I don't think we have any midfielder who can drive from the middle to make that work. Play 433 with 3 defensive midfielders and we'll have no threat at all up front. 4231 gives us the chance to keep the ball in attacking situations and still have enough back to defend with it tending to switch to 451 when defending.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 11, 2017 16:16:35 GMT
That isn't obvious to me either. We simply have to get the extra body in midfield. Our defence is shit but the ease in which the opposition gets into our back line with one simple pass doesn't help matters either. 4-5-1 is the only viable option in my opinion. We have to get that extra body in midfield tomorrow night. I'm with trousers on this one (although I'd be tempted to go with his alternative of Diouf wide right and Crouch up front, and rest Choupo). 4-5-1 means no Shaq, as he is not in the middle then and is wasted wide right. If we have any realistic hope of winning this game, we have to play our most creative attacking force at number 10. As Diouf and Ramadan will track back, this can become a 4-4-1-1 when we are defending. Sorry. As much as I would love us to be in a position to do what you suggest, we simply can't approach games with a 2 man midfield of Fletcher and Allen. We have to get the extra body in there and Shaqiri playing centrally, won't give us that extra body. For now, Shaq will need to operate from the right and drift inside like he does for his country. When/if we get a proper midfielder to partner Allen, then maybe we can be expansive enough to let Shaq operate from that central position. I don't see any team/system as being acceptable if it means Diouf goes wide right. He's wank in that position where his complete lack of any ability whatsoever is highlighted even more than it is at wing back. If Diouf plays, he has to play up front.
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Post by westgatelakes on Dec 11, 2017 16:20:32 GMT
Clearly things need to change so why not try something completely different like Cameron & Zouma as centre backs, Affelay in midfield and Berahino up front with a partner. A change is said to be as good as a rest !
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