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Jese.
Jan 3, 2018 16:07:02 GMT
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Post by werrington on Jan 3, 2018 16:07:02 GMT
I hope Bayern is reading this
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Jese.
Jan 3, 2018 16:09:10 GMT
Post by butlerstbob on Jan 3, 2018 16:09:10 GMT
For the good of the club he has to go surely, harsh I know but he is what we don't need an the moment as we have enough players that don't turn up on match days!
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Jese.
Jan 3, 2018 16:12:58 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2018 16:12:58 GMT
I hope Bayern is reading this We paid for him...... 🙄
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Post by jezzascfc on Jan 3, 2018 16:16:21 GMT
Ambition.................................
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Jese.
Jan 3, 2018 16:16:45 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2018 16:16:45 GMT
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Jese.
Jan 3, 2018 16:43:03 GMT
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Post by thedarkknight on Jan 3, 2018 16:43:03 GMT
A parent club recall. That caveat can be put in a contract. It's a completely different scenario to ours with Jese and PSG.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2018 16:44:28 GMT
A parent club recall. That caveat can be put in a contract. It's a completely different scenario to ours with Jese and PSG. I know. 😂 Werrington though bangs on like it can't happen, it can and does.
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Jese.
Jan 3, 2018 16:50:52 GMT
Post by nott1 on Jan 3, 2018 16:50:52 GMT
He's the least of our problems at the moment!
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Jese.
Jan 3, 2018 16:59:56 GMT
Post by dadofsam on Jan 3, 2018 16:59:56 GMT
I think this will end up with Jese playing in the Canaries while we continue to pay most of his wages. Then we'll probably sign him permanently in the Summer.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 3, 2018 18:06:13 GMT
I think this will end up with Jese playing in the Canaries while we continue to pay most of his wages. Then we'll probably sign him permanently in the Summer. Another self inflicted catastrophic signing, do we do any homework/due diligence on any signings.
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Jese.
Jan 3, 2018 18:12:00 GMT
Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 3, 2018 18:12:00 GMT
We should make a deal with Los Palmas that if we agree to let Jese go that they loan us one of there decent players.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jan 3, 2018 18:12:17 GMT
He's the least of our problems at the moment! Whilst having the greatest sympathy for what the lad is going through,he is one of the many fuck ups by the recruitment team and their lack of due diligence that are part of this almighty fucktard of a situation we find ourselves in. Massive overhaul at the club required from too to bottom in the summer.
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Jese.
Jan 3, 2018 18:20:53 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 18:20:53 GMT
Glad we're signing players like this, shows we're at least trying to find some magic. It's not worked out so far, Hughes didn't start him after Bournemouth despite him looking good and he's obviously had personal problems. It's a shame but i'm not blaming anyone for it.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 3, 2018 18:23:56 GMT
Glad we're signing players like this, shows we're at least trying to find some magic. It's not worked out so far, Hughes didn't start him after Bournemouth despite him looking good and he's obviously had personal problems. It's a shame but i'm not blaming anyone for it. He's on loan he's never here, the situation regarding his child is heart breaking for any parent, however this was an ongoing issue when we signed him so why did we take such an expensive gamble ?
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Jese.
Jan 3, 2018 18:31:31 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 18:31:31 GMT
Glad we're signing players like this, shows we're at least trying to find some magic. It's not worked out so far, Hughes didn't start him after Bournemouth despite him looking good and he's obviously had personal problems. It's a shame but i'm not blaming anyone for it. He's on loan he's never here, the situation regarding his child is heart breaking for any parent, however this was an ongoing issue when we signed him so why did we take such an expensive gamble ? Well it's a risk yes, but as is any player at this level. I'm glad we're taking them rather than signing 30 year old plodders who'd 'do a job'. He has been such a fantastic player in parts of his career that if it paid off it could have gained us several places in the league. We needed a winger to play with Shaq and I think we were all excited to think what Jese could do for us. As it is, it hasn't worked out. It happens. I'm not blaming anyone because I don't mind us taking risks.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 3, 2018 19:24:50 GMT
He's on loan he's never here, the situation regarding his child is heart breaking for any parent, however this was an ongoing issue when we signed him so why did we take such an expensive gamble ? Well it's a risk yes, but as is any player at this level. I'm glad we're taking them rather than signing 30 year old plodders who'd 'do a job'. He has been such a fantastic player in parts of his career that if it paid off it could have gained us several places in the league. We needed a winger to play with Shaq and I think we were all excited to think what Jese could do for us. As it is, it hasn't worked out. It happens. I'm not blaming anyone because I don't mind us taking risks. Do these risks also include Imbula, Berahino and Wimmer because these risks have massively contributed to where we are staring relegation in the face, risks are fine if you have solid plans to cover if they don't come off, that is what I call a risk
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 19:28:59 GMT
Well it's a risk yes, but as is any player at this level. I'm glad we're taking them rather than signing 30 year old plodders who'd 'do a job'. He has been such a fantastic player in parts of his career that if it paid off it could have gained us several places in the league. We needed a winger to play with Shaq and I think we were all excited to think what Jese could do for us. As it is, it hasn't worked out. It happens. I'm not blaming anyone because I don't mind us taking risks. Do these risks also include Imbula, Berahino and Wimmer because these risks have massively contributed to where we are staring relegation in the face, risks are fine if you have solid plans to cover if they don't come off, that is what I call a risk Yes they do. Imbula was fantastic at first but didn't work out. Wimmer has played less than 4 months for us, and has improved massively in recent weeks. Saido has started 3 games this season. They are nothing to do with where we are. Hughes trying a poor Pulisball impression with a side that isn't suited to it is why we are where we are. Those risks are, if anything, the only good sign we have. Let's not forget, Allen and Shaqiri were risks too, and they paid off individually. Transfers sometimes don't work, that's fine, but at least we're trying. It's the signings we don't make and the way we utilise the squad that's the worry.
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Jese.
Jan 3, 2018 19:34:46 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Jan 3, 2018 19:34:46 GMT
Do these risks also include Imbula, Berahino and Wimmer because these risks have massively contributed to where we are staring relegation in the face, risks are fine if you have solid plans to cover if they don't come off, that is what I call a risk Yes they do. Imbula was fantastic at first but didn't work out. Wimmer has played less than 4 months for us, and has improved massively in recent weeks. Saido has started 3 games this season. They are nothing to do with where we are. Hughes trying a poor Pulisball impression with a side that isn't suited to it is why we are where we are. Those risks are, if anything, the only good sign we have. Let's not forget, Allen and Shaqiri were risks too, and they paid off individually. Transfers sometimes don't work, that's fine, but at least we're trying. It's the signings we don't make and the way we utilise the squad that's the worry. Allen was a know entity and not a real risk, Arnie and Shaq were risks one down to his temperament the other down to his injury record, Wimmer looks well out of his depth and you know it, Berahino has been given chances and has still failed to take them, Imbula had a handful of decent games £50 million on three players who let's be honest are not up to the job we bought them to do in the PL. That is not just not working it's gross negligence for a club with out limited budget.
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Jan 3, 2018 19:35:18 GMT
Regardless of what we say about Pulis, he generally got the emphasis on players having good character spot on. The same can’t be said for Hughes or current transfer team; we are desperate for strong characters at the moment.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 3, 2018 19:40:51 GMT
Do these risks also include Imbula, Berahino and Wimmer because these risks have massively contributed to where we are staring relegation in the face, risks are fine if you have solid plans to cover if they don't come off, that is what I call a risk Yes they do. Imbula was fantastic at first but didn't work out. Wimmer has played less than 4 months for us, and has improved massively in recent weeks. Saido has started 3 games this season. They are nothing to do with where we are. Hughes trying a poor Pulisball impression with a side that isn't suited to it is why we are where we are. Those risks are, if anything, the only good sign we have. Let's not forget, Allen and Shaqiri were risks too, and they paid off individually. Transfers sometimes don't work, that's fine, but at least we're trying. It's the signings we don't make and the way we utilise the squad that's the worry. Looking like he could develop into an average Championsjip level player is only massive improvement because of the good awful starting level he had set. When he starts to look half as good as Carl Cort I'll call that massive improvement. At that level we will only have overpaid about £12M.
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Jese.
Jan 3, 2018 19:42:21 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 19:42:21 GMT
Yes they do. Imbula was fantastic at first but didn't work out. Wimmer has played less than 4 months for us, and has improved massively in recent weeks. Saido has started 3 games this season. They are nothing to do with where we are. Hughes trying a poor Pulisball impression with a side that isn't suited to it is why we are where we are. Those risks are, if anything, the only good sign we have. Let's not forget, Allen and Shaqiri were risks too, and they paid off individually. Transfers sometimes don't work, that's fine, but at least we're trying. It's the signings we don't make and the way we utilise the squad that's the worry. Allen was a know entity and not a real risk, Arnie and Shaq were risks one down to his temperament the other down to his injury record, Wimmer looks well out of his depth and you know it, Berahino has been given chances and has still failed to take them, Imbula had a handful of decent games £50 million on three players who let's be honest are not up to the job we bought them to do in the PL. That is not just not working it's gross negligence for a club with out limited budget. Any player for that cost is a risk. Wimmer was good against WBA and good yesterday, he's shown signs, and although he's been poor it's still early on. Saido has been given chances? he's started 3 games this season and been good in 2 of them, only to be dropped for a motionless beanpole. Imbula had more good games than bad, showed his potential but obviously didn't work out, although I think he should've played last season while our midfield was so poor and we'd loaned out our only creative number 10. 3 players signed, all 3 not used right, Wimmer hasn't been here long enough, Saido hasn't played enough, Imbula showed his quality, although he has his issues. Look around the league you'll find almost every club does the same, except they don't refuse to play them or boot them out on loan when they have no replacements.
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Jese.
Jan 3, 2018 20:33:47 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Jan 3, 2018 20:33:47 GMT
Allen was a know entity and not a real risk, Arnie and Shaq were risks one down to his temperament the other down to his injury record, Wimmer looks well out of his depth and you know it, Berahino has been given chances and has still failed to take them, Imbula had a handful of decent games £50 million on three players who let's be honest are not up to the job we bought them to do in the PL. That is not just not working it's gross negligence for a club with out limited budget. Any player for that cost is a risk. Wimmer was good against WBA and good yesterday, he's shown signs, and although he's been poor it's still early on. Saido has been given chances? he's started 3 games this season and been good in 2 of them, only to be dropped for a motionless beanpole. Imbula had more good games than bad, showed his potential but obviously didn't work out, although I think he should've played last season while our midfield was so poor and we'd loaned out our only creative number 10. 3 players signed, all 3 not used right, Wimmer hasn't been here long enough, Saido hasn't played enough, Imbula showed his quality, although he has his issues. Look around the league you'll find almost every club does the same, except they don't refuse to play them or boot them out on loan when they have no replacements. So you are happy with the outlay on all three of them ? how would you estimate they have contributed to the team success ? these are not risks they are suicide signings by a manager who does not know his arse from his elbow when it comes to signing players that fit into his system.
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Jese.
Jan 3, 2018 20:47:40 GMT
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Post by adi on Jan 3, 2018 20:47:40 GMT
Allen was a know entity and not a real risk, Arnie and Shaq were risks one down to his temperament the other down to his injury record, Wimmer looks well out of his depth and you know it, Berahino has been given chances and has still failed to take them, Imbula had a handful of decent games £50 million on three players who let's be honest are not up to the job we bought them to do in the PL. That is not just not working it's gross negligence for a club with out limited budget. Any player for that cost is a risk. Wimmer was good against WBA and good yesterday, he's shown signs, and although he's been poor it's still early on. Saido has been given chances? he's started 3 games this season and been good in 2 of them, only to be dropped for a motionless beanpole. Imbula had more good games than bad, showed his potential but obviously didn't work out, although I think he should've played last season while our midfield was so poor and we'd loaned out our only creative number 10. 3 players signed, all 3 not used right, Wimmer hasn't been here long enough, Saido hasn't played enough, Imbula showed his quality, although he has his issues. Look around the league you'll find almost every club does the same, except they don't refuse to play them or boot them out on loan when they have no replacements. Huge risk was playing a back 5 with Glen Johnson! Or was that a huge oversight? 🤔
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Jese.
Jan 3, 2018 21:14:14 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 21:14:14 GMT
Any player for that cost is a risk. Wimmer was good against WBA and good yesterday, he's shown signs, and although he's been poor it's still early on. Saido has been given chances? he's started 3 games this season and been good in 2 of them, only to be dropped for a motionless beanpole. Imbula had more good games than bad, showed his potential but obviously didn't work out, although I think he should've played last season while our midfield was so poor and we'd loaned out our only creative number 10. 3 players signed, all 3 not used right, Wimmer hasn't been here long enough, Saido hasn't played enough, Imbula showed his quality, although he has his issues. Look around the league you'll find almost every club does the same, except they don't refuse to play them or boot them out on loan when they have no replacements. So you are happy with the outlay on all three of them ? how would you estimate they have contributed to the team success ? these are not risks they are suicide signings by a manager who does not know his arse from his elbow when it comes to signing players that fit into his system. Honestly the money means nothing to me because I can't imagine it. I'm unhappy with the amount they were used, but honestly I'd rather we tried these signings and they not work out rather than solely buying countless £5m plodders. They haven't been given the chance to contribute in the most part. Wimmer hasn't been here 6 months, Saido hasn't been used and Imbula was lumped out on loan and basically unused last year. The manager is an idiot, we agree on that, but the signings themselves I have no issue with.
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Jese.
Jan 5, 2018 20:37:59 GMT
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Jese.
Jan 6, 2018 19:33:44 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2018 19:33:44 GMT
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Jese.
Jan 6, 2018 19:38:04 GMT
Post by djduncanjames on Jan 6, 2018 19:38:04 GMT
UNHAPPY SPELL? He's not even fucking been here!
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Jese.
Jan 6, 2018 19:41:11 GMT
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jan 6, 2018 19:41:11 GMT
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 6, 2018 19:44:40 GMT
It was just the most ludicrous move both for the club and more importantly him in view of his domestic circumstances.
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Jese.
Jan 6, 2018 19:48:32 GMT
Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 6, 2018 19:48:32 GMT
Wot no quote from the CEO .like sorry Arnie you were right Mr Coates news to sort his own house out and the lunacy within it before attacking others
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