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PIETERS
Nov 30, 2017 7:47:34 GMT
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Post by tomcmod on Nov 30, 2017 7:47:34 GMT
He played well?? Hahaha, he has got another assist for the opposition again!!!! Even the best players make mistakes sometimes. To which Pieters most definitely isn't. They also don't make them on a weekly basis. He was playing lb at the time too so get out of jail free card of he's not a Lwb won't work. He isn't a premier league footballer. He is really uncomfortable on the ball and doesn't ever want to keep it. I don't know what he's got on Hughes to stop him from being dropped but it works.
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PIETERS
Nov 30, 2017 7:56:15 GMT
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Post by AlanHansen on Nov 30, 2017 7:56:15 GMT
He's struggled for a long while at LB and particularly at LBW. He was in the most obvious position to be replaced last summer. More inept management not doing so.
He makes mistake after mistake, game after game.
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Post by Davef on Nov 30, 2017 8:21:14 GMT
We have weaknesses throughout the team, but opponents are clearly targeting Pieters.
The third goal was embarrassing. Pub stuff.
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Post by shrewspotter on Nov 30, 2017 8:43:13 GMT
Pieters is not good enough, in fairness I do not think he is a terrible full back but as a wing back he is woeful. He cannot cross or beat a man and he has a tendency to go backwards
I would change it Saturday for sure
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PIETERS
Nov 30, 2017 8:49:29 GMT
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Post by milky on Nov 30, 2017 8:49:29 GMT
The problem is there is literally no one to replace him as it's clear he doesn't trust Tyman.
So it's damage limitation ..at the very least we HAVE to go back to a traditional back four with proper full backs..however limited they may be.
Hughes (And the transfer team ) have got us in a right old mess and I really don't think he can turn it round now.
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Post by clivey05 on Nov 30, 2017 11:20:42 GMT
For me Pieters was a good left back when we signed him but as the league and standard of attacker has gone up Pieters hasnt improved and now costs us goals in quite a few games. He also causes problems in the wing back system because a lot of the time when he is high up the pitch he gives the ball away in play and we get exposed on the break.
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Post by pez75 on Nov 30, 2017 12:04:00 GMT
He is wank & we need better - but that is the managers fault.
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PIETERS
Nov 30, 2017 12:11:07 GMT
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Nov 30, 2017 12:11:07 GMT
Yet again the most interceptions in the team (5) ahead of Zouma (4) joint 2nd most clearances on the team with Zouma (4) after Shawcross (5) all while playing mostly out of position against some of the best offensive players and likely THE most in form attacking player in the league right now.
And yet again Pieters a dedicated stoke player who goes out and tries for the team gets torn to shreads on here.
Utter bullshit, admin please rename this place "Oatcakegrumblezine" very embarassing comments from supposed fans.
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Post by pez75 on Nov 30, 2017 12:13:24 GMT
Yet again the most interceptions in the team (5) ahead of Zouma (4) joint 2nd most clearances on the team with Zouma (4) after Shawcross (5) all while playing mostly out of position against some of the best offensive players and likely THE most in form attacking player in the league right now. And yet again Pieters a dedicated stoke player who goes out and tries for the team gets torn to sheads on here. Utter bullshit, admin please rename this place "Oatcakegrumblezine" very embarassing comments from supposed fans. "Out of position"??? Did I miss him go in goal?
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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 30, 2017 12:19:53 GMT
Not getting his body in front of the much smaller Salah caused him the first problem. Then the pathetic attempt at what was a back pass when he was obviously in two minds about what we do shows he lacks the composure when it matters. If Luke Shaw is available for a loan I'd be going down on bended knee to Mourinho.
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PIETERS
Nov 30, 2017 12:24:23 GMT
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Nov 30, 2017 12:24:23 GMT
Yet again the most interceptions in the team (5) ahead of Zouma (4) joint 2nd most clearances on the team with Zouma (4) after Shawcross (5) all while playing mostly out of position against some of the best offensive players and likely THE most in form attacking player in the league right now. And yet again Pieters a dedicated stoke player who goes out and tries for the team gets torn to sheads on here. Utter bullshit, admin please rename this place "Oatcakegrumblezine" very embarassing comments from supposed fans. "Out of position"??? Did I miss him go in goal? So you think FB and WB are the same position?
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Post by pez75 on Nov 30, 2017 12:28:44 GMT
Dont be daft, its hardly a sea-change is it? They are merely variants. Pieters is a LB with a good engine so WB should not be completely alien or 'out of position' to him, he simply is not good enough.
I get your point - Pieters is clearly not cut-out to play as a wing back that is obvious, but that is mainly because it exploits his many failings - poor technique, poor positioning, poor decision making. All things that he brings to the FB role too - which is where played for the majority of last night and was still shit and cost us a goal (again...).
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PIETERS
Nov 30, 2017 12:40:21 GMT
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Nov 30, 2017 12:40:21 GMT
Dont be daft, its hardly a sea-change is it? They are merely variants. Pieters is a LB with a good engine so WB should not be completely alien or 'out of position' to him, he simply is not good enough. I get your point - Pieters is clearly not cut-out to play as a wing back that is obvious, but that is mainly because it exploits his many failings - poor technique, poor positioning, poor decision making. All things that he brings to the FB role too - which is where played for the majority of last night and was still shit and cost us a goal (again...). Fair enough not a "sea-change" still tactically very different. But the other stuff is kind of my point. I don't consider him to have poor positioning or decision making on the whole. Perhaps when you consider specific micro moments, but on the macro his defensive contribution is statistically too great to explain a player with these general failings. It's more likely he is jaded from a lack of positional competition which results in an overall lack of sharpness at key moments. You could say that top top players normally don't show these moment, well yeah but we (unfortunately) arent likely to go out and spend £25m to £35m to try and guarantee that level of player who has the drive and tallent to play through regardless 100% of the time.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 30, 2017 12:44:20 GMT
He's a wank left back and an even worse wing back.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 30, 2017 12:49:41 GMT
Not getting his body in front of the much smaller Salah caused him the first problem. Then the pathetic attempt at what was a back pass when he was obviously in two minds about what we do shows he lacks the composure when it matters. If Luke Shaw is available for a loan I'd be going down on bended knee to Mourinho. It wasn't a back pass. Salah nicked the ball off him before he even touched it. The touch towards Grant was Salah's. It was shocking defending by a player terrified of making a mistake. He should have just smashed the ball out for a throw in. It was bouncing, it was on his left foot as he ran back towards goal, just smash it clear and start again. The game was up by then though and it was just a final nail in the coffin. EDIT - the goalkeeping was absolutely abject as well by the way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 12:50:51 GMT
I don't know what he's got on Hughes to stop him from being dropped but it works. Hughes is probably waiting for a chance to make a personal call to Erik's model wife!
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Post by lordb on Nov 30, 2017 14:02:51 GMT
The only player to actually put a decent ball into the box. He was better than Chopper, for a start. agree Chopper had a bad game Eric isn't a good left back, his brain & heart are there but his feet let him down.
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Post by scfc75 on Nov 30, 2017 14:07:42 GMT
No risk in playing Tymon there on Sat, I don't think he could do any worse and it'll give Eric a kick up the arse.
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Post by jezzascfc on Nov 30, 2017 14:09:44 GMT
He is an average full back and a terrible wing back. In a team with as many holes in it as a good Swiss cheese, his position is certainly one that needs to be reviewed, as does the other full/wing back.
Get Luke Shaw (on loan, I guess) and Daryl Janmaat into the building in January and we could then focus on reinforcements in central midfield and up front. I'd like a speedy right winger too, so Shaq can play centrally as the number 10 in a 4-2-3-1.
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Post by jezzascfc on Nov 30, 2017 14:12:11 GMT
No risk in playing Tymon there on Sat, I don't think he could do any worse and it'll give Eric a kick up the arse. Hughes may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb - stick Edwards and Tymon at full backs on Saturday. Get Ngoy on the bench too. Supporters would buy into such a youth policy in the current circumstances as at least shaking things up and seeing if we can inject some energy into what is now a slow, ponderous team.
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Post by thebet365 on Nov 30, 2017 14:21:21 GMT
Not getting his body in front of the much smaller Salah caused him the first problem. Then the pathetic attempt at what was a back pass when he was obviously in two minds about what we do shows he lacks the composure when it matters. If Luke Shaw is available for a loan I'd be going down on bended knee to Mourinho. It wasn't a back pass. Salah nicked the ball off him before he even touched it. The touch towards Grant was Salah's. It was shocking defending by a player terrified of making a mistake. He should have just smashed the ball out for a throw in. It was bouncing, it was on his left foot as he ran back towards goal, just smash it clear and start again. The game was up by then though and it was just a final nail in the coffin. EDIT - the goalkeeping was absolutely abject as well by the way. Salah doesn't touch it. The best angle I can find is on this video Salah goes for it but Pieters plays it back to Grant then you can see him go for pull away to the side to potentially receive a pass back from Grant then realises he's under hit it/Grant hasn't come for it.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 30, 2017 14:43:11 GMT
I thought that was the case. Erik was still at fault whether he kicked it or not quite frankly. And having watched a rerun of the second goal a few times, where was Erik (other than way back) when Fletcher was running through treacle in the left back position. Woeful.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2017 16:18:27 GMT
He is a second rate player. Should be treated as such. The club as a whole have messed up with that position. Nothing short of pure stupidity!
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