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Post by potterpaul on Nov 29, 2017 6:29:23 GMT
No there are many teams that are worse than Stoke. Stoke has a good team, good players but poorly managed. We are a one man team, lose Shaq and we are truly fucked. We have a team of players who struggle to control the ball, pass the ball, score, tackle. We have a team that are stagnant and have no pace at all. We have too many players past their use by date. Poor management (Hughes)or poor Scouting (Management team) or poor investment (Coates) or all three |
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Post by Billy the kid on Nov 29, 2017 10:26:27 GMT
It doesn't matter how other teams are managing. We are playing like a team crashing to the bottom. We are in a relegation scrap and it is hard to argue that we don't deserve it. We are hemoraging points and goals left right and centre. The only positive is that we are scoring a few, but nowhere near enough to take the required points.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 11:01:49 GMT
Although I though Brighton were poor against us, they more than deserved a point or more at the shit. Don't think they'll struggle, and I actually like their manager!
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Post by canadianmoose on Nov 29, 2017 11:43:59 GMT
I have yet to see a premier league team this year that looks as bad as us in the following areas:
1) unfit to last 90 mins
2) no pace
3) no movement (the game of statues we play when attacking infuriates me)
4) mass panic anytime a ball comes into the box
5) defenders who apparently have no idea where they should be on the pitch
6) defenders who allow opposition wingers to sneak behind them every match (usually leading to a goal)
7) players with such a poor first touch
8) simple passes that don’t go to a teammate
9) players that want an age on the ball before doing anything with it......or losing possession. Possibly related to point 3
All in all, if I was a neutral, I would be tipping stoke for relegation based on indicators if not points on the board at this stage of the season.
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Post by hanibal7 on Nov 29, 2017 13:21:33 GMT
TP's last season 2012-13 was an exception as we stood on 29 points at the end of Dec having beaten Liverpool 3-1 and an exciting 3-3 draw with Southampton. Everybody had great expectation of a possible 55-60 point finish and Europa Cup qualification. That’s where it ended though as we manage only 3 more wins and some horrible defeats in that second half of the season. We finished on 42 points and TP left. Never horrible defeats, toxic was brilliant at defensive play, hard to beat, I am joking lol |
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Post by Bagwash on Nov 29, 2017 13:37:25 GMT
I have yet to see a premier league team this year that looks as bad as us in the following areas: 1) unfit to last 90 mins 2) no pace 3) no movement (the game of statues we play when attacking infuriates me) 4) mass panic anytime a ball comes into the box 5) defenders who apparently have no idea where they should be on the pitch 6) defenders who allow opposition wingers to sneak behind them every match (usually leading to a goal) 7) players with such a poor first touch 8) simple passes that don’t go to a teammate 9) players that want an age on the ball before doing anything with it......or losing possession. Possibly related to point 3 All in all, if I was a neutral, I would be tipping stoke for relegation based on indicators if not points on the board at this stage of the season. Every single point you make is spot on. It's frightening but true. |
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 29, 2017 15:18:21 GMT
We usually have around 22 points at the end of December, the first season we didn't but we come back miraculously Why are we in this position after last season and the chance to gets things sorted? We have 13 points. Coates is happy At the moment I cant see how we can escape relagation That's pretty much what we're on course for |
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Post by jarvinski on Nov 29, 2017 15:31:06 GMT
Top post Jimm
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Post by daveandeddy on Nov 29, 2017 15:38:12 GMT
Ill dress it like this Huddersfield are completely wank and wont reach 35 points Swansea are completely wank and wont reach 35 point, unless they hire tone or fat sam Newcastle are in free fall, the clubs fucked up they wknt reach 40 points Brighton are terrible 35 points West ham or everton... one will improve one will get 40 points West brom, might be lucky to get 35, theyre doing ok, hire megson full time and it could all go wrong Palace might end up on about 40 That enough be going on with? We will definitely survive But to kid yourself into thinking that we will definitely survive is exactly what's wrong with our club right now Mark Hughes is so sure of himself, the same old "we'll be alright once we start cutting out mistakes" ... No, no we won't. Cause the team is set up completely wrong and we're Fucking shit ! We've been shit all year, not even close to double figures of wins in the calendar year are we?! There are some shit teams in the league, arguably shitter than us, but ALL of those teams have done something about it and have fucked off management teams. We've been standing still for to long, shit scared of the unknown of what might happen if we change the manager. I bet my left bollock if we changed we would immediately see a huge upturn in results, simply because anyone can see the players we have, do not, I repeat, DO NOT, suit or fit into the system Hughes is attempting to play I also genuinely believe Hughes is SO stubborn, that he simply cannot abort this fantasy wing back system to save face. He would initially look a complete bell end if he tore up his system and went back to a 442 or 4411 to the players. But the simple truth is, as much as we want to give Shaqiri this free role, we can't afford to right now. We HAVE to go back to a flat 442 with wingers. Choupo left. Shaqiri right. One holding midfielder. One offensive minded midfielder. Crouch up top. Diouf next to him. Or Jese just behind. Everyone knows their position, everyone knows the system. Sorry for rambling on, but I swear to god, continue with this abortion of a system, we are going down. Mark my words never apologise for rambling
If they took rambling on away from me I would be a mute
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Post by parsonage1955 on Nov 29, 2017 16:35:29 GMT
Well, the bookies seem to think that there's six or seven sides more likely to go down than us if that gives you any comfort!
I tend to the old truism that it's not the three worst sides that go down, it's the the three with the fewest points. Which might have just made me a bit more nervous!
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Post by samba :) on Nov 29, 2017 17:40:53 GMT
Ill dress it like this Huddersfield are completely wank and wont reach 35 points Swansea are completely wank and wont reach 35 point, unless they hire tone or fat sam Newcastle are in free fall, the clubs fucked up they wknt reach 40 points Brighton are terrible 35 points West ham or everton... one will improve one will get 40 points West brom, might be lucky to get 35, theyre doing ok, hire megson full time and it could all go wrong Palace might end up on about 40 That enough be going on with? We will definitely survive I do think we will survive... just... But I’m pretty damn sure that fans of everyone of those clubs are having the exact same conversation about their own clubs survival... and listing Stoke in the sub 40 point bracket. i think we'll beat 5 of them 7 teams at home which gives us 28 points, so another 4 wins and a draw from any of the other 18 games (38- 13 games played- these 7) |
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Post by superheroantonius on Nov 29, 2017 17:57:44 GMT
We dont have a goalscorer
Any team with no goalscorer can go down
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Post by Naughtyfarty on Dec 9, 2017 22:47:13 GMT
Poor defence, no out and out goal scorers, i now think its likely we will go, even if we change the manager. We are a mess
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 22:57:19 GMT
There’s really no need for us to get dragged into a dog fight come 2018, but I fear the OP is right and we aren’t going to see the decision made that really needs to be.
I’m finding it hard to understand how today alone might not be enough to make the club flip the switch, but if we don’t move at least 6 or 9 points clear by the time the January transfer window comes along then it’s going to be really baffling.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 9, 2017 23:35:58 GMT
Poor defence, no out and out goal scorers, i now think its likely we will go, even if we change the manager. We are a mess We were going the day we banked £12m profit in the summer and the CEO disappeared , when we needed to. Invest minimum £30m to,stop the slide , said it then and its irreversible now . |
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Post by chumley on Dec 10, 2017 0:00:54 GMT
Take this how you want but i think you're very right, spot on and hit b the nail on the head, were doomed.
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Post by chamberlain on Dec 10, 2017 1:31:28 GMT
I’ve supported Stoke since 1978 but make no mistake unless things change we are going down
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Post by mouseykanga2 on Dec 10, 2017 3:43:08 GMT
Watching yesterday, I've never seen such a disorganised group of players. And in any other line of work he would be sacked.. He's not doing the job he is paid to do. And clearly has lost all sense of trying to change his squad of players. Sticking to the same group who lose week in week out.
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Post by Northy on Dec 10, 2017 6:32:40 GMT
We dont have a goalscorer Any team with no goalscorer can go down we have diouf, we just don't have a decent service to him |
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Post by scfc5 on Dec 10, 2017 8:47:17 GMT
How can it be irreversible now?!! What utter nonsense! If Palace can escape after their start, which, given their position now, is eminently possible, then we are hardly doomed. I think we need someone new in to organise and reinvigorate the squad, but to say we are doomed whoever comes is melodramatic rubbish. 16 points from 16 games isn’t a bad base, even though it is less than we’d like.
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Post by harrysburrow on Dec 10, 2017 9:16:32 GMT
Trouble is, you look at other teams near the bottom and they're still rolling their sleeves up and trying to get stuck in? Newcastle v Leicester, Palace v Bournemourh, Huddersfield v BHA all rousing games with noisy crowds. We're just half-arsed and gutless? The Butland/Kane thing did it for me. Zouma and Shawcross literally hiding when it should have been panic stations.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 10, 2017 9:28:15 GMT
We will if
Hughes stays
A RB and CM aren't bought in in Jan
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Post by superheroantonius on Dec 10, 2017 12:07:48 GMT
We dont have a goalscorer Any team with no goalscorer can go down we have diouf, we just don't have a decent service to him Agreed ...he's our best option up front ...at least he tries to make things happen |
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Post by Scrotnig on Dec 10, 2017 12:12:58 GMT
We do have a proven goal scorer in Diouf, and even Crouch is still worthy of that description as well so we have two.
We just need to change the manager, he is going to take us down, without question.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 10, 2017 12:32:58 GMT
It can be turned round Wet Sham were like us a few weeks ago but seems Moyes is making a difference . Same at Everton but we do need a tough no nonsense manager who will kick some if them into shape or get rid . If we stay as we are I think it will be tough to stay up after yesterday that was a shameful effort.
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Post by stokemark on Dec 10, 2017 12:56:24 GMT
There have been some very naive comments on here (Sambas is a case in question)
Everything about the club, top to bottom reeks of relegation
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Post by VolvicStokie on Dec 10, 2017 12:58:53 GMT
The more I see how stubborn Hughes is becoming the more realistic the thought of going down is becoming.
I haven't got the full feeling we're going down, as fortunately for us there is somehow some worse teams than us.
But, the flip side is they've ALL (well, bar Swansea) done something about it and giving themselves a fighting chance.
Palace looked dead and buried, Woy has picked up points by hook or by crook, West Ham just beat the champions.
Even Swansea got a win.
Our decline is nothing new, we've been shit for ages.
Hughes and his formations are embarrassing. It wouldn't be so bad if the players remotely looked like they've worked on the formation of wing backs and one up top. We look truly lost and results are showing that
Weve picked up points in games where we aborted the stupid wing backs and went to a flat 442.
The other issue is how stubborn Hughes is. Perseverance with massively under performing players.
Pieters has been absolutely hopeless. Yes possibly due to the system but how does he get in every week?
Choupo Moting. Started promising but he has been absolute gash for weeks now and quite simply one of the worst offenders of looking like he doesn't give a fuck. He's dodged criticism because of how decent he looked initially
Fletcher... Again another one that started off promising but yet again, another one who has been absolute wank for weeks on end. We have players on the bench wondering how the fuck do you get in this team?
All the players that under perform week in week out are seemingly undroppable!!!
I truly thought we were over this moronic method when Toxic left!
There is no way back for Hughes in my opinion but if by some miracle he were to, then it simply has to start you get in the team on merit, you go back for a formation we know and trust and you play wingers!
You give our best player a free role and you drill some fucking passion into this lot!
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