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Post by pez75 on Nov 21, 2017 15:21:50 GMT
Wow - its a good job he doesn't give penalties away every other week like Ryan, or chicken out of tackles like Wimmer, or run around in circles doing fuck all like Pieters then - otherwise he might get some deserved criticism... He made a mistake, people are discussing it. Just because he's one of your favourites doesn't mean it didn't happen........ Discuss away - I even mentioned it myself - although the 2 or 3 opportunities to clear / save the ball missed by other players after his poor header clearly don't count... Not necessarily one of my favourites, just not deserving of this level of negative scrutiny IMO - there are several players way ahead of Zouma in the not performing / generally wank queue. P.S. has anyone mentioned that he scored a goal last night?
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Post by mustbequackers on Nov 21, 2017 15:37:07 GMT
Different player if he had a better RWB next to him. Constantly trying to cover up Dioufs mistakes when caught too far up the pitch. It's Dioufs fault as well that he missed a simple clearance for their second. Diouf must have told him to fuck it up. It's the only explanation Im sure MOTM Diouf wouldnt have done such a thing...
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Post by alster on Nov 21, 2017 15:45:06 GMT
Surely in a 3 at the back him and Wimmer are supposed to go out and cover when the wingback is caught upfield. It was beyond me when commentators kept highlighting that Zouma was having to come out wide to cover for Diouf because Shaq wasn't helping Diouf. They never made that observation on the left because Ramadan is playing as a wingback they expected Shaq to do the same they're supposed to be playing as forwards for gods sake. We need to defend better by attacking better not by dragging every player back into defence. Diouf’s natural reaction is to get forward, so he gets out of position as a WB. He ran himself into the ground getting back until he was knackered. Pieters’s natural reaction is to defend so he needed less support from Sohbi. In other words, we are a bit shit defending on the right and a bit shit attacking on the left. It’s never going to change until we sign decent two wing back, which will cost an arm and a leg or abandon this 3 at the back bollox. All that said, neither Stoke goals yesterday came from the wingers and neither Brighton’s goals were Diouf’s fault. Have you actually watched our last 3 games. Ramadans predominant position is where you would expect your wingback to be, only marginally further forward than Pieters who in turn does lot of babysitting Wimmer. On the opposite side Shaq wanders all over but is rarely treading on Diouf's toes who's predominant position is far higher up the pitch than Pieters on the left. Its totally lopsided but generally the overloaded left are responsible for us conceding more often than the at risk right that the commentators kept blithering on about. To me as a team we are a horrible mish mash taken hostage by our managements lack of investment and poor squad building. I'm not so much worried as fed up of watching us turn back into a team that is just completely uninspiring to watch.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 21, 2017 16:01:14 GMT
Zonal marking made Zouma mistime his header? Don't talk rubbish.... The 1st goal was caused by zonal marking, it happens all the time we have 3 players in the box marking thin air and they gave 2 players totally unmarked on the edge of the box Both goals came from open play so zonal marking had fuck all to do with last night's game
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 21, 2017 18:26:39 GMT
The 1st goal was caused by zonal marking, it happens all the time we have 3 players in the box marking thin air and they gave 2 players totally unmarked on the edge of the box Both goals came from open play so zonal marking had fuck all to do with last night's game Dave was thinking of you last night . If you had to go home was it daylight when you arrived , think they went to the Tony Scholes school of stadium traffic and exit management .
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 21, 2017 18:37:03 GMT
Both goals came from open play so zonal marking had fuck all to do with last night's game Dave was thinking of you last night . If you had to go home was it daylight when you arrived , think they went to the Tony Scholes school of stadium traffic and exit management . I stayed with a pal in Eastbourne but even then, it was midnight before we got back there and then had a 4 hour+ drive to Milton Keynes this morning because of shit traffic all the way from Brighton to Heathrow. What a hell hole that place. For that reason and that reason alone, I hope they fall away badly and end up being relegated.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 21, 2017 18:46:08 GMT
Dave was thinking of you last night . If you had to go home was it daylight when you arrived , think they went to the Tony Scholes school of stadium traffic and exit management . I stayed with a pal in Eastbourne but even then, it was midnight before we got back there and then had a 4 hour+ drive to Milton Keynes this morning because of shit traffic all the way from Brighton to Heathrow. What a hell hole that place. For that reason and that reason alone, I hope they fall away badly and end up being relegated. Your 4 hours is sadly Normal but I agree on the basis of ease of access there'd be no tears if they crashed and burnt from here , but I can't see it .
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Post by professorplump on Nov 21, 2017 19:04:54 GMT
Zonal marking is the problem not the players. Zonal marking had nothing to do with either goal. But if man marking is so much better than zonal, how come we keep scoring from corners against teams that man mark?
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Post by scfcrmagic on Nov 22, 2017 2:43:07 GMT
He's shown some very fine defending at times,other times his starting position hasn't been right. Second goal last night was very poor all round with his part being the worst. Overall I think he's been good. All defenders make mistakes every single one, the key is keeping mistakes to a minimum. totally agree with you .
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 22, 2017 10:59:15 GMT
It's the three at the back that's the problem. The gap in between Zouma and Diouf, which then in turn created a gap between Zouma and Shawcross was criminal. I can't blame either of the back three or the wing backs though. It's not just something you can learn to play when none of the 5 seem entirely comfortable or happy in position. He should have done loads better with the header and on the whole generally but it's maddening to see how easily we get carved open, even by mediocre sides like Brighton. Our defensive shape makes teams look like Brazil. The gap between Diouf and Zouma shouldn't be a problem though really, if Diouf is stuck up field then the defence should just move across a bit effectively making it a back four.
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Post by neddy on Nov 22, 2017 11:08:55 GMT
He's shown some very fine defending at times,other times his starting position hasn't been right. Second goal last night was very poor all round with his part being the worst. Overall I think he's been good. All defenders make mistakes every single one, the key is keeping mistakes to a minimum. totally agree with you . Should we be making an offer for him in January if he was prepared to come?
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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 22, 2017 11:14:38 GMT
It's the three at the back that's the problem. The gap in between Zouma and Diouf, which then in turn created a gap between Zouma and Shawcross was criminal. I can't blame either of the back three or the wing backs though. It's not just something you can learn to play when none of the 5 seem entirely comfortable or happy in position. He should have done loads better with the header and on the whole generally but it's maddening to see how easily we get carved open, even by mediocre sides like Brighton. Our defensive shape makes teams look like Brazil. The gap between Diouf and Zouma shouldn't be a problem though really, if Diouf is stuck up field then the defence should just move across a bit effectively making it a back four. Absolutely! It's just that we don't seem capable of playing the system effectively. We can see it, but management can't.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 22, 2017 11:45:23 GMT
Marc Wilson was a decent player for us , played regularly in the team that got to the cup final and a team that finished 9th , he'd be very useful in this miss mash of a squad , and Like Wolly is ridiculed when actually he was a key constituent of our best performances this century and indeed our history barring the Hudson , Greenhoff, Salmons team ( who interestingly had more than his share of detractors , Reminds me of Eric Skeels who people mocked at the time but is now looked back on fondly .
Clearly Zouma is a markedly different proposition , but right now history won't show him as a player that got to a cup final with stoke city or certainly obtained a top ten finish .
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Post by PotterEd on Nov 22, 2017 12:03:07 GMT
Zonal marking is the problem not the players. Zonal marking had nothing to do with either goal. But if man marking is so much better than zonal, how come we keep scoring from corners against teams that man mark? Agreed - this is a complete red herring. Zonal-marking as a system works more effectively than man-marking because there's so much less you have to concentrate on as a defender. With man-marking, you can't focus on the ball because you're just watching your man and you're entirely reactive rather than proactive. You're also far more likely to give away penalties for fouling your man as your eyes are rarely on the ball. The problem people ultimately seem to have with zonal-marking is that, when it goes wrong, there's no scapegoat. It's very English to need someone to blame so we just blame the whole system.
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Post by superheroantonius on Nov 22, 2017 19:07:15 GMT
The fastest mark wilson i have ever seen
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