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Post by loosestools on Nov 25, 2017 19:23:28 GMT
This squad is not good enough. Transfer windows a joke. Someone must be to blame. Worst of all, the team hasn't got a clue! Yet again a team plays poorly against us, and ends up winning. I am under no illusion whatsoever, that we are in for a long, hard season with this shower. Shower, being the operative word! I have to agree, looks like Mr unpopular (Benji) may be about to be proved right.
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Post by awrypotter on Nov 25, 2017 19:24:34 GMT
This is what happens when you spend the lowest amount on transfers in the Premier league. Don't tell me that Hughes didn't ask for a couple of wing backs knowing the system he was planning to use this season. As a Premier league manager would you be asking to sign out of form players? Or players that haven't played for 12 months due to serious injury? Or players coming to the end of their careers? I know the answer will be No!!! So despite Hughes many failings the owners and chief executive need to come under the spotlight too. This is absolutely spot on. It does not make any difference who we have as manager if they don't support him in the transfer market.
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Post by poethebald on Nov 25, 2017 21:14:45 GMT
People can blame the manager all they like.Yes, I am as frustrated as many folk with the current run of results and the system we are playing.However, as I previously stated you can't spend comparative peanuts in this league and not expect to struggle. Yes, BUT first of all we don't know if we've targeted players who didn't want to join us, plus as I say his track record for spending isn't great is it? At the end of the day, you play to the strenghths of what you do have not try to shoehorn players into positions they are clearly uncomfortable with. If your plan is tried and clearly fails you revert to something that stands a fighting chance. I'm sorry but I really DONT think he's the man for the job (never did actually) I wouldn't give him lunch money and expect him to come back with the right sandwich. Our historical transfer activity evidences that we continually go for the cheapest option.That policy is now coming home to roost...the decline is unfortunately, evident to see. I would agree that the present formation does not appear to suit the players and change is needed. Again, I'm not sure if Hughes is responsible, using your analogy,for choosing any particular sandwich.What I am sure about is that he has had to resort to Sandwiches that are on the reduced aisle as they are either nearing their expiry date, their filling has fallen out or half the ingredients are missinga.To top it all off he has had to go on a shop lifting spree to get any of them because he hasn't been given any money by his boss to buy them...😣
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 25, 2017 22:14:12 GMT
This is what happens when you spend the lowest amount on transfers in the Premier league. Don't tell me that Hughes didn't ask for a couple of wing backs knowing the system he was planning to use this season. As a Premier league manager would you be asking to sign out of form players? Or players that haven't played for 12 months due to serious injury? Or players coming to the end of their careers? I know the answer will be No!!! So despite Hughes many failings the owners and chief executive need to come under the spotlight too. This is absolutely spot on. It does not make any difference who we have as manager if they don't support him in the transfer market. Absolutely Correct and it's been coming window after botched window , bargain bucket after bargain bucket , today the ultimate example as we lose to a goal scored by the one defender we should have bought in the last two windows instead we bought Wimmer and loaned Zouma in the last one hideous judgement
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Post by chiswickpotter on Nov 25, 2017 23:05:54 GMT
We were always comfortable today. Shaq had a golden chance first half and what Ryan was thinking goodness only knows but we should have been out of sight. Two uncharacteristic errors defensively by Ryan and we have lost a game we sglhould have won. This is a tight league and 46 points will probably be top ten. A couple of wins and we will be fine
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Post by daveinoz on Nov 25, 2017 23:38:29 GMT
Therin lies the problem.......no idea where those “mystical” wins are going to come from!!!
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Post by Stokyo on Nov 26, 2017 2:41:44 GMT
Therin lies the problem.......no idea where those “mystical” wins are going to come from!!! Exactly, if we cant beat the lowest team in the league and get 4 nil drubbings or worse against the big boys, where are the points coming from??? Some on here fail to admit that these are must win games that we are now losing or drawing week in week out. Our pathetic bargain basement 'shrewd' windows are coming to bite us on the arse.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 26, 2017 5:03:04 GMT
This is what happens when you spend the lowest amount on transfers in the Premier league. Don't tell me that Hughes didn't ask for a couple of wing backs knowing the system he was planning to use this season. As a Premier league manager would you be asking to sign out of form players? Or players that haven't played for 12 months due to serious injury? Or players coming to the end of their careers? I know the answer will be No!!! So despite Hughes many failings the owners and chief executive need to come under the spotlight too. This is absolutely spot on. It does not make any difference who we have as manager if they don't support him in the transfer market. How can anyone say he hasn’t been supported in the transfer market. We spent a bucket load on Imbula and Berahino and nothing in return. We spent 12 million on Allen who is average and 18 million on Wimmer who is so so. N’zonzi and Arnautovic were not staying. We got more than fair value for Arnie and it’s arguable that we sold N’zonzi for less than he was worth - but there was only a year left on his contract, he wanted out and was likely to be a bad influence. So we are basically worse off now than we were two years ago but not because haven’t spent money. We just haven’t spent wisely. If I were PC I’d be very reluctant to get the check book out.
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 26, 2017 5:15:16 GMT
Our historical transfer activity evidences that we continually go for the cheapest option.That policy is now coming home to roost...the decline is unfortunately, evident to see. I would agree that the present formation does not appear to suit the players and change is needed. Again, I'm not sure if Hughes is responsible, using your analogy,for choosing any particular sandwich.What I am sure about is that he has had to resort to Sandwiches that are on the reduced aisle as they are either nearing their expiry date, their filling has fallen out or half the ingredients are missinga.To top it all off he has had to go on a shop lifting spree to get any of them because he hasn't been given any money by his boss to buy them...😣 Just going off topic what is your favourite sandwich 😂
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Post by Northy on Nov 26, 2017 6:11:14 GMT
This is absolutely spot on. It does not make any difference who we have as manager if they don't support him in the transfer market. Absolutely Correct and it's been coming window after botched window , bargain bucket after bargain bucket , today the ultimate example as we lose to a goal scored by the one defender we should have bought in the last two windows instead we bought Wimmer and loaned Zouma in the last one hideous judgement wimmer was £18m not a bargain bucket, I thought you get a hard on when we spend big
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 26, 2017 8:44:30 GMT
Absolutely Correct and it's been coming window after botched window , bargain bucket after bargain bucket , today the ultimate example as we lose to a goal scored by the one defender we should have bought in the last two windows instead we bought Wimmer and loaned Zouma in the last one hideous judgement wimmer was £18m not a bargain bucket, I thought you get a hard on when we spend big Abso£@#&!nglutly! Imbula, anybody!?!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 26, 2017 9:23:39 GMT
wimmer was £18m not a bargain bucket, I thought you get a hard on when we spend big Abso£@#&!nglutly! Imbula, anybody!?! But Wimmer was compared to sakho and imbula compared to a proven premier league midfielder , we always think we can beat the market And all that's happening is confirmation no one can for a sustainable period . Lowest spenders for 3 years or longer gets you relegated end of . net 10m a year Hughes has spent nowhere near enough for a top ten team too stand still let alone progress .
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 26, 2017 9:38:36 GMT
This is absolutely spot on. It does not make any difference who we have as manager if they don't support him in the transfer market. How can anyone say he hasn’t been supported in the transfer market. We spent a bucket load on Imbula and Berahino and nothing in return. We spent 12 million on Allen who is average and 18 million on Wimmer who is so so. N’zonzi and Arnautovic were not staying. We got more than fair value for Arnie and it’s arguable that we sold N’zonzi for less than he was worth - but there was only a year left on his contract, he wanted out and was likely to be a bad influence. So we are basically worse off now than we were two years ago but not because haven’t spent money. We just haven’t spent wisely. If I were PC I’d be very reluctant to get the check book out. I agree we won't spend with this management team but the next one will be no different if the approach doesn't change as someone else said Mark / Sam / Tony / Sir Alex what do you need ? ah a striker , centre back , and winger , well weve got a bloke who's hasnt scored for 2 years and a drug ban , a bloke with a treble injury sick son and terruble reputation. , a midfielder you saw in a friendly . A couple of has beens free and a another free transfer , the net defender is at liverpool but we can get one form Spurs reserves we think migh improve and make a profit on he is only young 24 . I doubt was his first choice list and until we sort that out we are done for conservatively I think it's £100m to sort this mess out over 3 windows and may involve a relegation too . id like to be a Fly on wall when scholes explains to Denise you know that £12m I gave you last summer , I need it back and £98m to pay for relegation I'll give you half of that back as I'm selling all our best players ,but if it's ok with you I'll keep it as I nee to reconstruct a team . The madness of utterly incompetent , complacent transfer strategy manifesting itself
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 26, 2017 9:42:04 GMT
How can anyone say he hasn’t been supported in the transfer market. We spent a bucket load on Imbula and Berahino and nothing in return. We spent 12 million on Allen who is average and 18 million on Wimmer who is so so. N’zonzi and Arnautovic were not staying. We got more than fair value for Arnie and it’s arguable that we sold N’zonzi for less than he was worth - but there was only a year left on his contract, he wanted out and was likely to be a bad influence. So we are basically worse off now than we were two years ago but not because haven’t spent money. We just haven’t spent wisely. If I were PC I’d be very reluctant to get the check book out. I agree we won't spend with this management team but the next one will be no different if the approach doesn't change as someone else said Mark / Sam / Tony / Sir Alex what do you need ? ah a striker , centre back , and winger , well weve got a bloke who's hasnt scored for 2 years and a drug ban , a bloke with a treble injury sick son and terruble reputation. , a midfielder you saw in a friendly . A couple of has beens free and a another free transfer , the net defender is at liverpool but we can get one form Spurs reserves we think migh improve and make a profit on he is only young 24 . I doubt was his first choice list and until we sort that out we are done for conservatively I think it's £100m to sort this mess out over 3 windows and may involve a relegation too . id like to be a Fly on wall when scholes explains to Denise you know that £12m I gave you last summer , I need it back and £98m to pay for relegation I'll give you half of that back as I'm selling all our best players ,but if it's ok with you I'll keep it as I nee to reconstruct a team . The madness of utterly incompetent , complacent transfer strategy manifesting itself We lost yesterday because you weren't on a plane. It's all your fault.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 26, 2017 12:31:07 GMT
I agree we won't spend with this management team but the next one will be no different if the approach doesn't change as someone else said Mark / Sam / Tony / Sir Alex what do you need ? ah a striker , centre back , and winger , well weve got a bloke who's hasnt scored for 2 years and a drug ban , a bloke with a treble injury sick son and terruble reputation. , a midfielder you saw in a friendly . A couple of has beens free and a another free transfer , the net defender is at liverpool but we can get one form Spurs reserves we think migh improve and make a profit on he is only young 24 . I doubt was his first choice list and until we sort that out we are done for conservatively I think it's £100m to sort this mess out over 3 windows and may involve a relegation too . id like to be a Fly on wall when scholes explains to Denise you know that £12m I gave you last summer , I need it back and £98m to pay for relegation I'll give you half of that back as I'm selling all our best players ,but if it's ok with you I'll keep it as I nee to reconstruct a team . The madness of utterly incompetent , complacent transfer strategy manifesting itself We lost yesterday because you weren't on a plane. It's all your fault. Joe i will fly up Wednesday if you think it will,help 😎. As to be honest the drive is getting less appealing , if we win I'll fly home and back up Saturday ad I was going to stay a few days ps are you confined to the house given last nights ashes , we could start a. Bring joe home just giving page if t gets too bad , albeit given you'd have no excuse not to suffer with the rest of us I'd stick it out .
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 26, 2017 12:53:51 GMT
We lost yesterday because you weren't on a plane. It's all your fault. Joe i will fly up Wednesday if you think it will,help 😎. As to be honest the drive is getting less appealing , if we win I'll fly home and back up Saturday ad I was going to stay a few days ps are you confined to the house given last nights ashes , we could start a. Bring joe home just giving page if t gets too bad , albeit given you'd have no excuse not to suffer with the rest of us I'd stick it out . I suffer Stokes ongoing malaise as much as anyone there. The cricket was going well for the first two days. Fortunately for me I was there on the second of them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 21:37:40 GMT
There was another knocking bet. We would lose the first test!
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Post by tijuanabrass on Nov 27, 2017 5:26:04 GMT
There was another knocking bet. We would lose the first test! If we'd have dropped Cook and stuck Boycott out there we would probably have got enough runs to squeeze a draw out of it.
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