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Deeney
Oct 29, 2017 5:07:21 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 5:07:21 GMT
Get a grip man and tell the truth at least. He’s acted like a twat in a brief moment in today’s game but let’s not make things up about him. Armed robbery it was not. As people I’m damn sure we have some far bigger twats in our squad than Troy Deeney. No you're right, he broke someones jaw and left another needing 20 stitches. From his WIKI Page... Salt of the earth type chap.... Deeney was born in Birmingham, West Midlands,[2] and grew up in Chelmsley Wood. He was one of three children born to his parents, who split up when he was 11. He was expelled from school when he was 14, before returning at the age of 15. He left at 16 without any GCSEs and began training as a bricklayer, earning £120 a week.[4] On 25 June 2012, Deeney was sentenced to ten months' imprisonment for kicking a man in the head during a brawl.[5][6] He was released after serving almost three months of the sentence, after showing his remorse, and the fact that he was a first-time offender. Since his release from prison in 2012, he has earned GCSEs in English, Science and Maths.[4]
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 5:09:43 GMT
Lets hope though that the Stoke fans are mature enough and forgiving enough to show the young man the respect that he as a player, and indeed the Captain of a visiting team deserves. Rather than hurl abuse, maybe some light applause and possibly a song for him would be appropriate.
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Deeney
Oct 29, 2017 6:16:14 GMT
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Post by PB1863 on Oct 29, 2017 6:16:14 GMT
Can’t wait to see him at Bet 365. Zouma, Shawcross and BMI will be waiting and if they aren’t Charlie will... If a Stoke player did what he did I’d be expecting a 3 match ban. Disgraceful as was the idiot Watford supporter screaming abuse at Allen calling him an F’in C on the video I saw.
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Post by loosestools on Oct 29, 2017 6:33:04 GMT
He's got a face just like the Halloween pumpkin I've just sat on.
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Deeney
Oct 29, 2017 6:48:04 GMT
Post by uknorse on Oct 29, 2017 6:48:04 GMT
Don't care if bottlejob only gave a yellow, there's no way the FA can allow shot1 like that to go unpunished. Would bank on the fat gobshite cunt putting his hands on the smallest, least intimidating bloke on the pitch. doesnt matter if you care or not mate, the yellow card states it was dealt with at the time by the match officials, so cant be looked at or given retrospect, thats the laws according to the wise owls at the f.a
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Oct 29, 2017 6:50:02 GMT
Don't care if bottlejob only gave a yellow, there's no way the FA can allow shot1 like that to go unpunished. Would bank on the fat gobshite cunt putting his hands on the smallest, least intimidating bloke on the pitch. doesnt matter if you care or not mate, the yellow card states it was dealt with at the time by the match officials, so cant be looked at or given retrospect, thats the laws according to the wise owls at the f.a That rule changed this season mate. It can be changed for violent conduct.
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Deeney
Oct 29, 2017 6:53:25 GMT
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Deeney
Oct 29, 2017 8:00:11 GMT
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Post by alster on Oct 29, 2017 8:00:11 GMT
OK I'll defend Deeney and the ref. As I saw it Joe was the instigator of the aggression and appeared to have lost his head. If there is a red card its got to be for both of them. As an abrbitor of fairness the ref can't be allowing the instigator to go unpunished or receive a lesser punishment. If anything Deeney was a bit of a bitch, if you front a bloke up like Allen did you have no complaints if he spreads your nose across your face. Which I'm sure Deeney as a far larger man and keen and useful boxer is more than capable of. Sorry but Joe Allen was no inocent victim.
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Deeney
Oct 29, 2017 8:05:36 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 29, 2017 8:05:36 GMT
OK I'll defend Deeney and the ref. As I saw it Joe was the instigator of the aggression and appeared to have lost his head. If there is a red card its got to be for both of them. As an abrbitor of fairness the ref can't be allowing the instigator to go unpunished or receive a lesser punishment. If anything Deeney was a bit of a bitch, if you front a bloke up like Allen did you have no complaints if he spreads your nose across your face. Which I'm sure Deeney as a far larger man and keen and useful boxer is more than capable of. Sorry but Joe Allen was no inocent victim. Calling him an instigator is a little harsh looked they went for each other initially. Deeney wasn't exactly walking away far from it.
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Deeney
Oct 29, 2017 8:11:31 GMT
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Post by alster on Oct 29, 2017 8:11:31 GMT
OK I'll defend Deeney and the ref. As I saw it Joe was the instigator of the aggression and appeared to have lost his head. If there is a red card its got to be for both of them. As an abrbitor of fairness the ref can't be allowing the instigator to go unpunished or receive a lesser punishment. If anything Deeney was a bit of a bitch, if you front a bloke up like Allen did you have no complaints if he spreads your nose across your face. Which I'm sure Deeney as a far larger man and keen and useful boxer is more than capable of. Sorry but Joe Allen was no inocent victim. Calling him an instigator is a little harsh looked they went for each other initially. Deeney wasn't exactly walking away far from it. I wouldn't expect him to you don't turn your back and walk away from someone who comes at you like that. He seemed far more in control than Joe. As I said I think thats why he did what he did istead of just dropping the nut on him or sparking him out.
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Post by blackpoolred on Oct 29, 2017 8:20:32 GMT
I quite like the chap, bit of a character. Seems to have turned his life around with a bit of hard work on and off the pitch too. Give the lad a break, it was just a bit of handbags and Allen had hold of his head too. In fact judging by the way he was holding his face and staring into his eyes with a loving smile, Allen should be glad he doesn't have to share a shower with him after the game like the rest of the Watford lads, I am betting old prison habits die hard ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) We won - move on
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Post by ohbottom on Oct 29, 2017 8:50:57 GMT
OK I'll defend Deeney and the ref. As I saw it Joe was the instigator of the aggression and appeared to have lost his head. If there is a red card its got to be for both of them. As an abrbitor of fairness the ref can't be allowing the instigator to go unpunished or receive a lesser punishment. If anything Deeney was a bit of a bitch, if you front a bloke up like Allen did you have no complaints if he spreads your nose across your face. Which I'm sure Deeney as a far larger man and keen and useful boxer is more than capable of. Sorry but Joe Allen was no inocent victim. I don't agree. Joe fronted up to Deeney because he felt Stoke should have been given the ball back as they'd kicked it out to let an injured player receive treatment, and Joe was making that point. Deeney was the first to raise his hands and make physical contact; Joe shoved back and Deeney then grabbed his face.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Oct 29, 2017 8:57:36 GMT
OK I'll defend Deeney and the ref. As I saw it Joe was the instigator of the aggression and appeared to have lost his head. If there is a red card its got to be for both of them. As an abrbitor of fairness the ref can't be allowing the instigator to go unpunished or receive a lesser punishment. If anything Deeney was a bit of a bitch, if you front a bloke up like Allen did you have no complaints if he spreads your nose across your face. Which I'm sure Deeney as a far larger man and keen and useful boxer is more than capable of. Sorry but Joe Allen was no inocent victim. Typical its all Stokes fault!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 8:57:41 GMT
We win move on, make a fuss and they will find somebody to ban from our side.
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Deeney
Oct 29, 2017 9:03:08 GMT
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Post by jarvinski on Oct 29, 2017 9:03:08 GMT
How does this fat useless gobshite piece of filth play premier league football, get the bastard banned for half a season
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Deeney
Oct 29, 2017 9:05:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 9:05:39 GMT
Deeney should be looking at a 3 game ban.
You cannot do what he did yesterday on a football pitch and not be punished, surely?
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Deeney
Oct 29, 2017 9:06:13 GMT
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Post by alster on Oct 29, 2017 9:06:13 GMT
OK I'll defend Deeney and the ref. As I saw it Joe was the instigator of the aggression and appeared to have lost his head. If there is a red card its got to be for both of them. As an abrbitor of fairness the ref can't be allowing the instigator to go unpunished or receive a lesser punishment. If anything Deeney was a bit of a bitch, if you front a bloke up like Allen did you have no complaints if he spreads your nose across your face. Which I'm sure Deeney as a far larger man and keen and useful boxer is more than capable of. Sorry but Joe Allen was no inocent victim. I don't agree. Joe fronted up to Deeney because he felt Stoke should have been given the ball back as they'd kicked it out to let an injured player receive treatment, and Joe was making that point. Deeney was the first to raise his hands and make physical contact; Joe shoved back and Deeney then grabbed his face. You said you didn't agree then went on to agree. Joe fronted up Deeney in an aggressive manner. You are misleading yourself about hands they are unimportant Joe instigated the incident people don't have to put up with someone getting in their face like that.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 29, 2017 9:16:40 GMT
I don't agree. Joe fronted up to Deeney because he felt Stoke should have been given the ball back as they'd kicked it out to let an injured player receive treatment, and Joe was making that point. Deeney was the first to raise his hands and make physical contact; Joe shoved back and Deeney then grabbed his face. You said you didn't agree then went on to agree. Joe fronted up Deeney in an aggressive manner. You are misleading yourself about hands they are unimportant Joe instigated the incident people don't have to put up with someone getting in their face like that. Rubbish - if someone shouts in your face, what is to stop you shouting back at them? Nothing. It is when you retaliate physically to verbal abuse that you render yourself liable to a ban. Many incidents on the pitch start with verbal argument - as often as not the guy who resorts to physical violence first is the one who gets the red card. Much the same happens off the pitch. If I abuse someone in the street I might get charged with verbal abuse or a similar offence - if they take the law into their own hands and physically assault me they will probably be charged with assault, ABH or GBH - depending upon the physical damage they do to me.
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Deeney
Oct 29, 2017 9:20:48 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Oct 29, 2017 9:20:48 GMT
I don't agree. Joe fronted up to Deeney because he felt Stoke should have been given the ball back as they'd kicked it out to let an injured player receive treatment, and Joe was making that point. Deeney was the first to raise his hands and make physical contact; Joe shoved back and Deeney then grabbed his face. You said you didn't agree then went on to agree. Joe fronted up Deeney in an aggressive manner. You are misleading yourself about hands they are unimportant Joe instigated the incident people don't have to put up with someone getting in their face like that. Hands are very important.
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Deeney
Oct 29, 2017 9:27:17 GMT
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Post by alster on Oct 29, 2017 9:27:17 GMT
You said you didn't agree then went on to agree. Joe fronted up Deeney in an aggressive manner. You are misleading yourself about hands they are unimportant Joe instigated the incident people don't have to put up with someone getting in their face like that. Rubbish - if someone shouts in your face, what is to stop you shouting back at them? Nothing. It is when you retaliate physically to verbal abuse that you render yourself liable to a ban. Many incidents on the pitch start with verbal argument - as often as not the guy who resorts to physical violence first is the one who gets the red card. Much the same happens off the pitch. If I abuse someone in the street I might get charged with verbal abuse or a similar offence - if they take the law into their own hands and physically assault me they will probably be charged with assault, ABH or GBH - depending upon the physical damage they do to me. Thats rubbish and you should know better with your background. No one is entitled to invade your personal space in an agressive manner and play the innocent victim. You don't literally have to wait until someone has hit you to defend yourself.
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Deeney
Oct 29, 2017 9:28:30 GMT
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Post by alster on Oct 29, 2017 9:28:30 GMT
You said you didn't agree then went on to agree. Joe fronted up Deeney in an aggressive manner. You are misleading yourself about hands they are unimportant Joe instigated the incident people don't have to put up with someone getting in their face like that. Hands are very important. They're not its a nonsense created by football and pundits.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Oct 29, 2017 9:36:00 GMT
We win move on, make a fuss and they will find somebody to ban from our side. The FA are probably lining up a ban for Shawcross right now, whatever we say or dont say. Not that I believe he deserves one but you know, it's the FA and we are Stoke.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 29, 2017 9:38:37 GMT
Rubbish - if someone shouts in your face, what is to stop you shouting back at them? Nothing. It is when you retaliate physically to verbal abuse that you render yourself liable to a ban. Many incidents on the pitch start with verbal argument - as often as not the guy who resorts to physical violence first is the one who gets the red card. Much the same happens off the pitch. If I abuse someone in the street I might get charged with verbal abuse or a similar offence - if they take the law into their own hands and physically assault me they will probably be charged with assault, ABH or GBH - depending upon the physical damage they do to me. Thats rubbish and you should know better with your background. No one is entitled to invade your personal space in an agressive manner and play the innocent victim. You don't literally have to wait until someone has hit you to defend yourself. Which is why Adam got a yellow card - for the agressive manner and verbals he used against Deeney. Deeney, however, took it to another level and grabbed Allen's face (and squeezed!). The laws of the game are quite clear - that is a red card offence as Graham Poll has rightly pointed out. Hopefully the FA will show that they have balls (something which Deeney apparently admires) and will ban him for the violence which the ref clearly didn't see yesterday. We shall see what happens but I will be surprised and annoyed if Deeney is not charged with violent conduct. And I suggest a quick glance around the media this morning shows my view is held by a majority of pundits and fans.
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Deeney
Oct 29, 2017 9:39:26 GMT
Post by countofmontecristo on Oct 29, 2017 9:39:26 GMT
How does this fat useless gobshite piece of filth play premier league football, get the bastard banned for half a season Thing is, football wise, he just about represents exactly what we need up front at the moment with this system!
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Deeney
Oct 29, 2017 9:43:26 GMT
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Post by alster on Oct 29, 2017 9:43:26 GMT
Thats rubbish and you should know better with your background. No one is entitled to invade your personal space in an agressive manner and play the innocent victim. You don't literally have to wait until someone has hit you to defend yourself. Which is why Adam got a yellow card - for the agressive manner and verbals he used against Deeney. Deeney, however, took it to another level and grabbed Allen's face (and squeezed!). The laws of the game are quite clear - that is a red card offence as Graham Poll has rightly pointed out. Hopefully the FA will show that they have balls (something which Deeney apparently admires) and will ban him for the violence which the ref clearly didn't see yesterday. We shall see what happens but I will be surprised and annoyed if Deeney is not charged with violent conduct. And I suggest a quick glance around the media this morning shows my view is held by a majority of pundits and fans. But thats exactly what Allen did, he instigated the incident not Deeney. I don't care what pundits or the football authorities say they've been punishing the reaction for years and letting the instigators off scott free.
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Deeney
Oct 29, 2017 9:45:54 GMT
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Post by alster on Oct 29, 2017 9:45:54 GMT
Its just the same as the Affelay Gardner incident punish both or neither. You can't allow the instigator to profit from the reaction to his provocation.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 29, 2017 9:51:09 GMT
Which is why Adam got a yellow card - for the agressive manner and verbals he used against Deeney. Deeney, however, took it to another level and grabbed Allen's face (and squeezed!). The laws of the game are quite clear - that is a red card offence as Graham Poll has rightly pointed out. Hopefully the FA will show that they have balls (something which Deeney apparently admires) and will ban him for the violence which the ref clearly didn't see yesterday. We shall see what happens but I will be surprised and annoyed if Deeney is not charged with violent conduct. And I suggest a quick glance around the media this morning shows my view is held by a majority of pundits and fans. But thats exactly what Allen did, he instigated the incident not Deeney. I don't care what pundits or the football authorities say they've been punishing the reaction for years and letting the instigators off scott free. But Allen didn't get off scott free. He (rightly) got a yellow card for verbal abuse. Deeney got a yellow card for pushing Shawcross and now he should be charged with violent conduct for squeezing Allen's face. It really isn't very difficult - I am surprised that you can't see it.
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Deeney
Oct 29, 2017 9:56:23 GMT
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Post by alster on Oct 29, 2017 9:56:23 GMT
But thats exactly what Allen did, he instigated the incident not Deeney. I don't care what pundits or the football authorities say they've been punishing the reaction for years and letting the instigators off scott free. But Allen didn't get off scott free. He (rightly) got a yellow card for verbal abuse. Deeney got a yellow card for pushing Shawcross and now he should be charged with violent conduct for squeezing Allen's face. It really isn't very difficult - I am surprised that you can't see it. What I see is if Allen doesn't go steaming into Deeney non of it happens. If thats what you consider acceptable behavior you are either one hard bastard or have a badly misshapen face. If you get into people's face in an aggressive manner like that they will react and you will deserve it.
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Post by crownmeking on Oct 29, 2017 9:57:58 GMT
Which is why Adam got a yellow card - for the agressive manner and verbals he used against Deeney. Deeney, however, took it to another level and grabbed Allen's face (and squeezed!). The laws of the game are quite clear - that is a red card offence as Graham Poll has rightly pointed out. Hopefully the FA will show that they have balls (something which Deeney apparently admires) and will ban him for the violence which the ref clearly didn't see yesterday. We shall see what happens but I will be surprised and annoyed if Deeney is not charged with violent conduct. And I suggest a quick glance around the media this morning shows my view is held by a majority of pundits and fans. But thats exactly what Allen did, he instigated the incident not Deeney. I don't care what pundits or the football authorities say they've been punishing the reaction for years and letting the instigators off scott free. It doesn't matter who you think instigated the incident. If someone does something to you, getting in your face for instance, your response has to be reasonable. Deeny could of easily walked away, but he didn't, he grabbed Allen by the face, squeezing hard (by the looks of it) - That was an unreasonable reaction. Tempers were frayed, but that does not excuse a use of force.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Oct 29, 2017 10:01:42 GMT
I thought it was hilarious and what happens when two blokes really want to knock each other’s heads off but know they can’t throw a punch. It was like a first years fight behind the bike sheds.
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