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Post by followyoudown on Sept 25, 2019 12:03:00 GMT
Only Parliament wasn't stopped as it passed a new law to prevent no deal brexit, this was a political driven argument by people who are openly frustrating democracy by preventing the UK leaving the EU and it has opened up a whole new shitshow for any future governments as the royal prerogative can now be challenged. Surprise surprise this whole thing couldn't smell more fishy order-order.com/2019/09/25/jolyon-admits-government-mole/Some hardcore Brexiteers keep saying that, but what benefit will these people get out of frustrating democracy. In reality it's a simple case of more and more people realising that Brexit in any shape or form is a major fuck up for the UK. The facts are out there for people to see. It has nothing to do with thwarting democracy and all to do with doing what's best for the UK and the general population. Why are you replying to me only a short while ago you said "you couldn't be arsed debating with me" , my advice to you still stands (wave)
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Post by foster on Sept 25, 2019 12:06:37 GMT
Some hardcore Brexiteers keep saying that, but what benefit will these people get out of frustrating democracy. In reality it's a simple case of more and more people realising that Brexit in any shape or form is a major fuck up for the UK. The facts are out there for people to see. It has nothing to do with thwarting democracy and all to do with doing what's best for the UK and the general population. Why are you replying to me only a short while ago you said "you couldn't be arsed debating with me" , my advice to you still stands (wave) I don't really care or bother to remember heated exchanges with posters that happened previously. Especially not in regards to Brexit. I guess I'm mature enough to not hold grudges. But if you want to act like a 5 year old then fine by me.
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Post by Northy on Sept 25, 2019 12:09:23 GMT
Only Parliament wasn't stopped as it passed a new law to prevent no deal brexit, this was a political driven argument by people who are openly frustrating democracy by preventing the UK leaving the EU and it has opened up a whole new shitshow for any future governments as the royal prerogative can now be challenged. Surprise surprise this whole thing couldn't smell more fishy order-order.com/2019/09/25/jolyon-admits-government-mole/Some hardcore Brexiteers keep saying that, but what benefit will these people get out of frustrating democracy. In reality it's a simple case of more and more people realising that Brexit in any shape or form is a major fuck up for the UK. The facts are out there for people to see. It has nothing to do with thwarting democracy and all to do with doing what's best for the UK and the general population. and you keep saying what you are saying, there are also the facts that the UK will be a better off country trading outwards with the rest of the world.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 25, 2019 12:13:13 GMT
Why are you replying to me only a short while ago you said "you couldn't be arsed debating with me" , my advice to you still stands (wave) I don't really care or bother to remember heated exchanges with posters that happened previously. Especially not in regards to Brexit. I guess I'm mature enough to not hold grudges. But if you want to act like a 5 year old then fine by me. Grudge you aren't that important I just don't want to waste any time engaging with you (wave)
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Post by foster on Sept 25, 2019 12:13:22 GMT
Some hardcore Brexiteers keep saying that, but what benefit will these people get out of frustrating democracy. In reality it's a simple case of more and more people realising that Brexit in any shape or form is a major fuck up for the UK. The facts are out there for people to see. It has nothing to do with thwarting democracy and all to do with doing what's best for the UK and the general population. and you keep saying what you are saying, there are also the facts that the UK will be a better off country trading outwards with the rest of the world. Can you post the links to those facts? I can understand that some better trading agreements could be reached with the US for example, but not convinced that any new deals will come close to offsetting the losses incurred by leaving the single market.
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Post by foster on Sept 25, 2019 12:15:04 GMT
I don't really care or bother to remember heated exchanges with posters that happened previously. Especially not in regards to Brexit. I guess I'm mature enough to not hold grudges. But if you want to act like a 5 year old then fine by me. Grudge you aren't that important I just don't want to waste any time engaging with you (wave) Must be important if you remembered it.
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Post by Northy on Sept 25, 2019 12:18:04 GMT
and you keep saying what you are saying, there are also the facts that the UK will be a better off country trading outwards with the rest of the world. Can you post the links to those facts? I can understand that some better trading agreements could be reached with the US for example, but not convinced that any new deals will come close to offsetting the losses incurred by leaving the single market. Can you post the losses compared against the savings from our membership and tariff deductions
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 25, 2019 12:18:41 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 25, 2019 12:19:42 GMT
Some hardcore Brexiteers keep saying that, but what benefit will these people get out of frustrating democracy. In reality it's a simple case of more and more people realising that Brexit in any shape or form is a major fuck up for the UK. The facts are out there for people to see. It has nothing to do with thwarting democracy and all to do with doing what's best for the UK and the general population. and you keep saying what you are saying, there are also the facts that the UK will be a better off country trading outwards with the rest of the world. Careful I sense a demand for proof incoming on the better off claim, meanwhile of course forecasts 10 years into the future by people who couldn't accurately forecast what would happen the day after the vote are treated as if written on tablets of stone
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Post by foster on Sept 25, 2019 12:26:21 GMT
Can you post the links to those facts? I can understand that some better trading agreements could be reached with the US for example, but not convinced that any new deals will come close to offsetting the losses incurred by leaving the single market. Can you post the losses compared against the savings from our membership and tariff deductions Ok, well even though you haven't answered my question I'll give you my view on yours. It's easy to put a number against the membership cost but not against the benefits of membership as there are too many factors to consider. If someone could do that then Brexit or No-Brexit would be done and dusted by now.
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Post by foster on Sept 25, 2019 12:28:30 GMT
and you keep saying what you are saying, there are also the facts that the UK will be a better off country trading outwards with the rest of the world. Careful I sense a demand for proof incoming on the better off claim, meanwhile of course forecasts 10 years into the future by people who couldn't accurately forecast what would happen the day after the vote are treated as if written on tablets of stone How old are you mate? Do you always get childish when you have nothing worthwhile to say. If you're too precious to handle any other opinion than your own then I suggest letting the adults talk.
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Post by Northy on Sept 25, 2019 12:30:01 GMT
what was the lower tax threshold personal allowance in 2010 when Labour left office compared to now ? currently under tories it's ÂŁ12500 under labour in 2010 it was ÂŁ6475 so you can earn nearly twice as much now as you did under Labour before paying tax, spend your money how you want it, kinda goes against your picture I think.
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 25, 2019 12:54:34 GMT
what was the lower tax threshold personal allowance in 2010 when Labour left office compared to now ? currently under tories it's ÂŁ12500 under labour in 2010 it was ÂŁ6475 so you can earn nearly twice as much now as you did under Labour before paying tax, spend your money how you want it, kinda goes against your picture I think. Absolutely nothing to do with the tories. They were made to accept the increase by the Lib Dems as part of their alliance.
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Post by foster on Sept 25, 2019 13:01:07 GMT
what was the lower tax threshold personal allowance in 2010 when Labour left office compared to now ? currently under tories it's ÂŁ12500 under labour in 2010 it was ÂŁ6475 so you can earn nearly twice as much now as you did under Labour before paying tax, spend your money how you want it, kinda goes against your picture I think. Absolutely nothing to do with the tories. They were made to accept the increase by the Lib Dems as part of their alliance. Sort of blows your argument away to be fair. Still went up though didn't it. Whether the Lib Dems had a hand in it or not doesn't really matter. In any case, how many full time employees realistically earn under that amount? I imagine it would only apply to students and part timers, which is a drop in the tax ocean.
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 25, 2019 13:11:26 GMT
Absolutely nothing to do with the tories. They were made to accept the increase by the Lib Dems as part of their alliance. Sort of blows your argument away to be fair. Still went up though didn't it. Whether the Lib Dems had a hand in it or not doesn't really matter. In any case, how many full time employees realistically earn under that amount? I imagine it would only apply to students and part timers, which is a drop in the tax oce Many households benefiting from these tax cuts were adversely affected by other tax changes , such as the increase in the standard rate of VAT as well as reforms to tax credits and social security benefits.Further increases in the allowance were of no benefit,because they increased the threshold at which individuals started to pay NI. So my poster was correct nowt to do with the tories all the Lib Dems doing.Its only a poster lighten up .
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Post by Northy on Sept 25, 2019 13:34:37 GMT
what was the lower tax threshold personal allowance in 2010 when Labour left office compared to now ? currently under tories it's ÂŁ12500 under labour in 2010 it was ÂŁ6475 so you can earn nearly twice as much now as you did under Labour before paying tax, spend your money how you want it, kinda goes against your picture I think. Absolutely nothing to do with the tories. They were made to accept the increase by the Lib Dems as part of their alliance. Yet have continually increased it ...
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Post by salopstick on Sept 25, 2019 13:35:01 GMT
Utter bullshit. We are still doing well despite A50. The only thing causing any problems linked to Brexit is Parliments unwillingness to implement it Good to see arguments coming back based on facts. Why are parliament unwilling to implement Brexit? They're said often enough why but what's your view? Do you honestly think their end game is to 'thwart democracy' and nothing more. What do they get out of it? They are not going to tell us why are they For years Corbyn was anti Eu loads of videos suddenly he changes his tune why? Lots of politicians end up on Cushy EU money they do t want to give that up. They had their chance to persuade us to stay we decided to leave. I don’t care if they personally disagree but it’s their job to implement it. They haven’t and yes the end game is to wear us down to the point we stay. Like in other Eu countries.
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 25, 2019 13:46:14 GMT
Absolutely nothing to do with the tories. They were made to accept the increase by the Lib Dems as part of their alliance. Yet have continually increased it ... And you think that the majority of people are wealthier under the tories,then Stoke must be thriving at the moment .Keep voting for austerity. Ill post again any households benefiting from these tax cuts were adversely affected by other tax changes , such as the increase in the standard rate of VAT as well as reforms to tax credits and social security benefits.Further increases in the allowance were of no benefit,because they increased the threshold at which individuals started to pay NI. People get the government they deserve.
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Post by foster on Sept 25, 2019 13:50:17 GMT
Yet have continually increased it ... And you think that the majority of people are wealthier under the tories,then Stoke must be thriving at the moment .Keep voting for austerity. Ill post again any households benefiting from these tax cuts were adversely affected by other tax changes , such as the increase in the standard rate of VAT as well as reforms to tax credits and social security benefits.Further increases in the allowance were of no benefit,because they increased the threshold at which individuals started to pay NI. People get the government they deserve. It was only a poster mate, lighten up
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 25, 2019 14:24:11 GMT
And you think that the majority of people are wealthier under the tories,then Stoke must be thriving at the moment .Keep voting for austerity. Ill post again any households benefiting from these tax cuts were adversely affected by other tax changes , such as the increase in the standard rate of VAT as well as reforms to tax credits and social security benefits.Further increases in the allowance were of no benefit,because they increased the threshold at which individuals started to pay NI. People get the government they deserve. It was only a poster mate, lighten up
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 25, 2019 15:29:01 GMT
It was only a poster mate, lighten up What’s he about to do remove the labour front bench
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Post by essexstokey on Sept 25, 2019 18:59:10 GMT
Just watched the pm for over 2 hrs not once did he apologise for his illegal actions, constantly attacking the courts not taking responsibility for his actions. he was inflammatory and not fit to be the pm
time for him to resign !!
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 25, 2019 19:02:35 GMT
Just watched the pm for over 2 hrs not once did he apologise for his illegal actions, constantly attacking the courts not taking responsibility for his actions. he was inflammatory and not fit to be the pm time for him to resign !! So respecting the law and the courts is very important you will be voting libdem then I guess
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 25, 2019 19:15:36 GMT
Just watched the pm for over 2 hrs not once did he apologise for his illegal actions, constantly attacking the courts not taking responsibility for his actions. he was inflammatory and not fit to be the pm time for him to resign !! So respecting the law and the courts is very important you will be voting libdem then I guess Spot on Boris statement to the house receives rapturous applause from his own party The Ira supporting leader of the opposition’s reply met with stoney silence from his own benches
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 25, 2019 19:39:48 GMT
This right wing populist cunt is utter vermin. His response to Paula Sherriff was the work of someone who is simply scum.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 25, 2019 19:42:38 GMT
This isn't Brexit war anymore, it's class war with these Tory cunts
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Post by henry on Sept 25, 2019 19:50:23 GMT
Bad night for the chicken
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 25, 2019 20:03:10 GMT
This right wing populist cunt is utter vermin. His response to Paula Sherriff was the work of someone who is simply scum. Oh please more faux outrage because they cant lay a glove on him
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 25, 2019 20:11:28 GMT
This right wing populist cunt is utter vermin. His response to Paula Sherriff was the work of someone who is simply scum. Oh please more faux outrage because they cant lay a glove on him I never had you down as much better than a hard right populist fyd. The bloke is scum, privileged, elite and thinks he's above the law and an utter disgrace. Not answered a single fucking question so far.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 25, 2019 20:17:29 GMT
This right wing populist cunt is utter vermin. His response to Paula Sherriff was the work of someone who is simply scum. Oh please more faux outrage because they cant lay a glove on him I agree, but he's also given them a chance to play the victim. They don't need an excuse, do they? Bet your bottom dollar Sky and the Beeb will run with the Jo Cox angle, now. They have got a brass neck, though, you are right.
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