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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 7, 2019 11:26:38 GMT
Johnson won’t be there after his performance tonight in front of those coppers. It’s not to be made light of but it looked like he’d had a stroke. Honestly. That was vile exploitation. The man needs to stand on his own two feet, not use uniform as a platform. I'll leave this here.... and before you start blah blahing, you voted for him in 2005 after this photo. Attachment Deleted
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 7, 2019 13:33:25 GMT
That was vile exploitation. The man needs to stand on his own two feet, not use uniform as a platform. I'll leave this here.... and before you start blah blahing, you voted for him in 2005 after this photo. View Attachment WrongWho did you vote for, Michael £@#&!n Howard!?! Even Anne Widecombe said he was a dark b@$t@&d
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Post by essexstokey on Sept 7, 2019 13:52:44 GMT
That was vile exploitation. The man needs to stand on his own two feet, not use uniform as a platform. I'll leave this here.... and before you start blah blahing, you voted for him in 2005 after this photo. View AttachmentTechnically as usual roger you are incorrect only under 30,000 actually voted for Blair as you vote for your local constituency MP and they then have there leader in the commons who becomes the PM if any leader of a party loses there seat they cannot become PM (so watch out Boris )
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 7, 2019 20:19:10 GMT
And yet despite how utterly shit this government are, and despite Johnsons calamitous week, they are even further ahead in the (latest) opinion polls.
That's because they have swallowed up a lot of Brexit Party supporters as they swing to the Right.
Johnson/Cummings plan from Day one.
Labour supporters take heed, they should be fucking miles ahead.
The reality is that a general election would see a Tory majority or a Tory/Brexit coalition returned to Office.
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Post by essexstokey on Sept 7, 2019 21:07:38 GMT
Amber Rudd has resigned and will sit as an independent MP she says no effort is being made towards a deal !!!
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Post by serpico on Sept 7, 2019 21:19:58 GMT
And yet despite how utterly shit this government are, and despite Johnsons calamitous week, they are even further ahead in the (latest) opinion polls. That's because they have swallowed up a lot of Brexit Party supporters as they swing to the Right. Johnson/Cummings plan from Day one. Labour supporters take heed, they should be fucking miles ahead. The reality is that a general election would see a Tory majority or a Tory/Brexit coalition returned to Office. Corbyn/labour need to come out fully in support of remain. People want clarity, not half measures and wishy-washy-waffle. Love or hate him/them That’s why boris and the Tories are doing better in the polls, they have a more coherent message on brexit, leave, deal or no deal.
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Post by pearo on Sept 7, 2019 21:26:22 GMT
Amber Rudd has resigned and will sit as an independent MP she says no effort is being made towards a deal !!! Oh dear, another remainer who believes deal was on the ballot paper. When will they understand that leave means leave.
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Post by Gods on Sept 7, 2019 21:42:52 GMT
The last sensible one nation moderate Conservative left standing gone. The plan seems to be to beat the Brexit party by being the Brexit party.
Strange to say this of a country with a Tory government but Britain lacks a conservative party. Instead we have 2 revolutionary parties of the right set on a nationalist or populist path which is avowedly not conservative.
It's tragic Labour has been overrun by Momentum.
I've started voting lib Dem and I hope they can start to gain some ground.
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Post by essexstokey on Sept 7, 2019 23:19:27 GMT
Current make up of parliament
Speaker Speaker (1)independent does not vote unless a tie
HM Government (297)
Conservative Party (287) Confidence and supply Democratic Unionist Party (10)
HM Most Loyal Opposition ( 354)
Labour Party (247) Scottish National Party (35) Liberal Democrats (17) The Independent Group for Change (5) Plaid Cymru (4) Green Party (1) Independent (36)
Abstentionist Sinn Féin (7)don't ever take up seats
Not looking good for the government is it!!
government majority of - 57
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 7, 2019 23:32:54 GMT
Soames on Johnson and The Victorian Ghost. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-is-nothing-like-churchill-and-jacob-rees-mogg-is-an-absolute-fraud-tnkrv26d3Meanwhile, sacked Conservative Nicholas Soames has written a scathing piece in The Times, saying Mr Johnson is "nothing like" his grandfather Winston Churchill. The prime minister is said to model himself on the World War Two hero, but his grandson said: "Winston Churchill was like Winston Churchill because of his experiences in life. Boris Johnson's experience in life is telling a lot of porkies about the EU in Brussels and then becoming prime minister." Sir Nicholas, who admitted he cried after finding out he was no longer a Conservative MP after 37 years, said Mr Johnson was not behaving like a statesman. He said: "I think Churchill would have thought it extraordinary that we would have thought ourselves so successful, so powerful, so well thought of in the world that we could afford to give up this extraordinary relationship we have in this great EU." Sir Nicholas became one of many MPs to confirm this week they would be stepping down at the next election after the chaos in Westminster. He also hit out at Jacob Rees-Mogg after he was spotted lounging on the front bench in the Commons this week saying: "He is an absolute fraud, he is a living example of what a moderately cut double-breasted suit and a decent tie can do with an ultra-posh voice and a bit of ginger stuck up his a***. You do not behave like that as leader of the house." He continued: "I thought it was b***** bad manners and he of all people should know better. He has had all the advantages and frankly nanny made a serious bish. "I wanted to kick him firmly in the a*** and say, 'What the hell do you think you are playing at? Sit up!'" He also likened a recent Brexit speech by Mr Rees-Mogg to the "lowest form of student union hackery". Churchill was his grandfather no way, he kept that quiet
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 8, 2019 5:33:07 GMT
The last sensible one nation moderate Conservative left standing gone. The plan seems to be to beat the Brexit party by being the Brexit party. Strange to say this of a country with a Tory government but Britain lacks a conservative party. Instead we have 2 revolutionary parties of the right set on a nationalist or populist path which is avowedly not conservative. It's tragic Labour has been overrun by Momentum. I've started voting lib Dem and I hope they can start to gain some ground. Very true. British politics has been fractured by Brexit..which may be a good thing in the long run.. No political party can now get an overall majority. And the One Nation Conservative Party is now dead. RIP
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 8, 2019 7:50:47 GMT
The last sensible one nation moderate Conservative left standing gone. The plan seems to be to beat the Brexit party by being the Brexit party. Strange to say this of a country with a Tory government but Britain lacks a conservative party. Instead we have 2 revolutionary parties of the right set on a nationalist or populist path which is avowedly not conservative. It's tragic Labour has been overrun by Momentum. I've started voting lib Dem and I hope they can start to gain some ground. There is a temporary shift in the alignment of politics just now from left v right to leave v remain. When Brexit is finally settled and the limbo of the past three years is concluded, normal politics will be resumed.
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 8, 2019 8:27:25 GMT
That was vile exploitation. The man needs to stand on his own two feet, not use uniform as a platform. I'll leave this here.... and before you start blah blahing, you voted for him in 2005 after this photo. View AttachmentBlair went to war with other nations, but the Torys go to war against their own nation. Now they’ve come to the final solution & gone to war against themselves.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 8, 2019 8:50:22 GMT
And yet despite how utterly shit this government are, and despite Johnsons calamitous week, they are even further ahead in the (latest) opinion polls. That's because they have swallowed up a lot of Brexit Party supporters as they swing to the Right. Johnson/Cummings plan from Day one. Labour supporters take heed, they should be fucking miles ahead. The reality is that a general election would see a Tory majority or a Tory/Brexit coalition returned to Office. Corbyn/labour need to come out fully in support of remain. People want clarity, not half measures and wishy-washy-waffle. Love or hate him/them That’s why boris and the Tories are doing better in the polls, they have a more coherent message on brexit, leave, deal or no deal. I agree. I don't think any party will get an overall majority at the general election. Given that the Tories are now nicking Labours clothes with their tax and spend policies Labour need to do some serious thinking about alliances.
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 8, 2019 9:26:17 GMT
I'll leave this here.... and before you start blah blahing, you voted for him in 2005 after this photo. View AttachmentBlair went to war with other nations, but the Torys go to war against their own nation. Now they’ve come to the final solution & gone to war against themselves. Following that logic, aren’t the LibDems at war with their own country. “Bollocks to Brexit” sounds like a great big Fuck You to 17.2 million people to me.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 8, 2019 9:32:45 GMT
And yet despite how utterly shit this government are, and despite Johnsons calamitous week, they are even further ahead in the (latest) opinion polls. That's because they have swallowed up a lot of Brexit Party supporters as they swing to the Right. Johnson/Cummings plan from Day one. Labour supporters take heed, they should be fucking miles ahead. The reality is that a general election would see a Tory majority or a Tory/Brexit coalition returned to Office. I think the conservative lead in the polls has more to do with corbyns leadership and lack of credibility, it reminds me of the days of Michael Foot in some respects, idealistic rhetoric with little or no relevance to its core supporters. Labour needs to get back to basics and develop policies for this century . The class war belongs in the past
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 8, 2019 9:55:26 GMT
And yet despite how utterly shit this government are, and despite Johnsons calamitous week, they are even further ahead in the (latest) opinion polls. That's because they have swallowed up a lot of Brexit Party supporters as they swing to the Right. Johnson/Cummings plan from Day one. Labour supporters take heed, they should be fucking miles ahead. The reality is that a general election would see a Tory majority or a Tory/Brexit coalition returned to Office. I think the conservative lead in the polls has more to do with corbyns leadership and lack of credibility, it reminds me of the days of Michael Foot in some respects, idealistic rhetoric with little or no relevance to its core supporters. Labour needs to get back to basics and develop policies for this century . The class war belongs in the past I agree Harry. All this bollocks about re-nationalizing the national grid, utilities, trains etc etc is a massive retrograde step. Labour need to embrace wealth creation not look down on it. Momentum have infiltrated the party and made it unelectable. I'm sure Corbyns a decent bloke but he's no Prime Minister. There needs to be a new paradigm shift on the Left. Not a return to the 1950s
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 8, 2019 9:59:32 GMT
And yet despite how utterly shit this government are, and despite Johnsons calamitous week, they are even further ahead in the (latest) opinion polls. That's because they have swallowed up a lot of Brexit Party supporters as they swing to the Right. Johnson/Cummings plan from Day one. Labour supporters take heed, they should be fucking miles ahead. The reality is that a general election would see a Tory majority or a Tory/Brexit coalition returned to Office. I think the conservative lead in the polls has more to do with corbyns leadership and lack of credibility, it reminds me of the days of Michael Foot in some respects, idealistic rhetoric with little or no relevance to its core supporters. Labour needs to get back to basics and develop policies for this century . The class war belongs in the past Thats certainly true but people can see what is going Hillary Benn who says No Deal is a disaster when asked if he would vote for a deal says No he wants another referendum, this sort of thing just gets a free pass. I see the surrender monkeys are making noise about not approving the extension sadly we know as always they will fold.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 8, 2019 10:33:35 GMT
I think the conservative lead in the polls has more to do with corbyns leadership and lack of credibility, it reminds me of the days of Michael Foot in some respects, idealistic rhetoric with little or no relevance to its core supporters. Labour needs to get back to basics and develop policies for this century . The class war belongs in the past Thats certainly true but people can see what is going Hillary Benn who says No Deal is a disaster when asked if he would vote for a deal says No he wants another referendum, this sort of thing just gets a free pass. I see the surrender monkeys are making noise about not approving the extension sadly we know as always they will fold. Boris should offer them some herrings in exchange for a no to an extension,
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Post by Davef on Sept 8, 2019 10:42:37 GMT
That was vile exploitation. The man needs to stand on his own two feet, not use uniform as a platform. I'll leave this here.... and before you start blah blahing, you voted for him in 2005 after this photo. View AttachmentHow is a photo of a British Prime Minister making a rallying speech in front of British soldiers during a time of war even comparable to a British Prime Minister standing in front of Police cadets vowing to break the law of the land?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 10:47:18 GMT
I think the conservative lead in the polls has more to do with corbyns leadership and lack of credibility, it reminds me of the days of Michael Foot in some respects, idealistic rhetoric with little or no relevance to its core supporters. Labour needs to get back to basics and develop policies for this century . The class war belongs in the past I agree Harry. All this bollocks about re-nationalizing the national grid, utilities, trains etc etc is a massive retrograde step. Labour need to embrace wealth creation not look down on it. Momentum have infiltrated the party and made it unelectable. I'm sure Corbyns a decent bloke but he's no Prime Minister. There needs to be a new paradigm shift on the Left. Not a return to the 1950s Do you commute to work on the train regularly? It’s a perfectly rational policy based on the current shit show we have. Nationalisation of years gone by doesn’t have to bear any resemblance to the current way of doing it.....
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 8, 2019 11:01:02 GMT
I agree Harry. All this bollocks about re-nationalizing the national grid, utilities, trains etc etc is a massive retrograde step. Labour need to embrace wealth creation not look down on it. Momentum have infiltrated the party and made it unelectable. I'm sure Corbyns a decent bloke but he's no Prime Minister. There needs to be a new paradigm shift on the Left. Not a return to the 1950s Do you commute to work on the train regularly? It’s a perfectly rational policy based on the current shit show we have. Nationalisation of years gone by doesn’t have to bear any resemblance to the current way of doing it..... Most people up North don't commute on the train. Renationalization of trains will see a massive shift of resources (tax payer's money) from the North to the South especially London. What's Socialist about that? We had this debate about Clause IV in the Labour Movement yonks ago. It's not about ownership it's about Delivery. Labour need to shift to the centre and mop up some of these One Nation Tories but before they do that they need to purge themselves of their Cosmopolitan stupidly and elect a new leader.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 8, 2019 11:19:38 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 8, 2019 11:21:50 GMT
I'll leave this here.... and before you start blah blahing, you voted for him in 2005 after this photo. How is a photo of a British Prime Minister making a rallying speech in front of British soldiers during a time of war even comparable to a British Prime Minister standing in front of Police cadets vowing to break the law of the land? No it's a British PM who created an illegal war and then did the usual politiking and press shots to promote himself and an PM who's promised to up police numbers by 20,000 and had a long standing appointment to give a 9 minute speech at a police college in Wakefied whilst there's an election round the corner. The press then asked, about Jo Johnson resigning (Channel 5), about Jo Johnson resigning (ITV), about Jo Johnson not 'trusting' his own brother (Sky), about not asking for a Brexit delay (Sun), Hammond's comments on whips being withdrawn (Mail), islamaphobia inquiry (Guardian), agri food regulation in NI (Irish Times), Corbyn doesn't trust election dates (Bloomberg). Not one single question from the press about policing yet the Chief Constable moans that a PM makes a political speech and Boris never mentions breaking the law. Boris speech from 38:00 in
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 8, 2019 11:40:09 GMT
I'll leave this here.... and before you start blah blahing, you voted for him in 2005 after this photo. View AttachmentHow is a photo of a British Prime Minister making a rallying speech in front of British soldiers during a time of war even comparable to a British Prime Minister standing in front of Police cadets vowing to break the law of the land? Well ones a privileged privately educated buffoon Potential law breaker The others a privileged privately educated war criminal One disregarded the will of parliament the other is prepared to do similar So all in all quite a lot in common
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Post by Davef on Sept 8, 2019 11:49:10 GMT
How is a photo of a British Prime Minister making a rallying speech in front of British soldiers during a time of war even comparable to a British Prime Minister standing in front of Police cadets vowing to break the law of the land? Well ones a privileged privately educated buffoon Potential law breaker The others a privileged privately educated war criminal One disregarded the will of parliament the other is prepared to do similar So all in all quite a lot in common Parliament approved the invasion of Iraq.
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Post by lordb on Sept 8, 2019 12:03:00 GMT
When you've got the likes of Hammond calling it surely it's undeniable that the Conservative Party is on the brink of splitting into two.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 8, 2019 12:08:52 GMT
Well ones a privileged privately educated buffoon Potential law breaker The others a privileged privately educated war criminal One disregarded the will of parliament the other is prepared to do similar So all in all quite a lot in common Parliament approved the invasion of Iraq. Parliament also approved leaving the Eu
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 8, 2019 12:23:44 GMT
And the Labour Party Hasn't been taken over by unelected advisors
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 8, 2019 13:32:30 GMT
How is a photo of a British Prime Minister making a rallying speech in front of British soldiers during a time of war even comparable to a British Prime Minister standing in front of Police cadets vowing to break the law of the land? No it's a PM who's promised to up police numbers by 20,000 and had a long standing appointment to give a 9 minute speech at a police college in Wakefied whilst there's an election round the corner. “Long standing” How can he have had a longstanding appointment when he’s only been in office for a few week. Has this thread morphed into the Quantum Physics thread...
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