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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 9:02:40 GMT
Slurp, slurp, snaffle, snaffle, I'm sure the working classes up and down the country will prosper when the hedge funds demand their payback in the coming months. Surely Sheikh the answer is to try to get a credible Labour government post Brexit? I think that the question facing Labour currently is will a Corbyn led party ever win an election? If not for whatever reason...an alternative approach needs to be found. If this issue is not grasped then it seems that Corbyn and his supporters are content to protest from the side, playing the game, without making any real difference. Credible how though mate, that's the question? To a lot of people Labour would be better off dropping Corbyn, bringing in Yvette Cooper, reversing Brexit and living in a centrist Utopia with Jo Swinson and Caroline Lucas. Bringing in a form of democratic socialism in this country was never going to be easy, especially with the make up of our media and the thousands of lobbyists, businesses, parliamentarian's all with their snouts in the trough. Then add Brexit to the mix and it adds yet another dynamic. But I still think a Corbyn led Labour could win an election, albeit I couldn't see them getting a majority in parliament (or anyone else for that matter). Where Corbyn should take a leaf from Boris Johnson is that he hasn't been anywhere near ruthless enough. It's time to rid the party of backstabbers like Tom Watson and go full on to get their message out to the electorate, and if they still don't buy into it then it is what it is.......
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 14, 2019 9:14:53 GMT
Surely Sheikh the answer is to try to get a credible Labour government post Brexit? I think that the question facing Labour currently is will a Corbyn led party ever win an election? If not for whatever reason...an alternative approach needs to be found. If this issue is not grasped then it seems that Corbyn and his supporters are content to protest from the side, playing the game, without making any real difference. Credible how though mate, that's the question? To a lot of people Labour would be better off dropping Corbyn, bringing in Yvette Cooper, reversing Brexit and living in a centrist Utopia with Jo Swinson and Caroline Lucas. Bringing in a form of democratic socialism in this country was never going to be easy, especially with the make up of our media and the thousands of lobbyists, businesses, parliamentarian's all with their snouts in the trough. Then add Brexit to the mix and it adds yet another dynamic. But I still think a Corbyn led Labour could win an election, albeit I couldn't see them getting a majority in parliament (or anyone else for that matter). Where Corbyn should take a leaf from Boris Johnson is that he hasn't been anywhere near ruthless enough. It's time to rid the party of backstabbers like Tom Watson and go full on to get their message out to the electorate, and if they still don't buy into it then it is what it is....... That's the problem with Labour, for me; who stands for what? Who are the democratic socialists? I must admit, most of the front bench don't exactly inspire.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 9:17:49 GMT
Credible how though mate, that's the question? To a lot of people Labour would be better off dropping Corbyn, bringing in Yvette Cooper, reversing Brexit and living in a centrist Utopia with Jo Swinson and Caroline Lucas. Bringing in a form of democratic socialism in this country was never going to be easy, especially with the make up of our media and the thousands of lobbyists, businesses, parliamentarian's all with their snouts in the trough. Then add Brexit to the mix and it adds yet another dynamic. But I still think a Corbyn led Labour could win an election, albeit I couldn't see them getting a majority in parliament (or anyone else for that matter). Where Corbyn should take a leaf from Boris Johnson is that he hasn't been anywhere near ruthless enough. It's time to rid the party of backstabbers like Tom Watson and go full on to get their message out to the electorate, and if they still don't buy into it then it is what it is....... That's the problem with Labour, for me; who stands for what? Who are the democratic socialists? I must admit, most of the front bench don't exactly inspire. I agree, there's a group of 30/40 MP's who undermine Corbyn every step of the way (Jess Phillips, Liz Kendall, Wes Streeting, Tim Watson, Margaret Hodge, Ruth Smeeth, Owen Jones etc etc.) Naturally these are the MP's that seem to get air time on every major news outlet (quelle surprise). Corbyn needs to grow a set and start taking action against them......
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2019 9:39:14 GMT
Surely Sheikh the answer is to try to get a credible Labour government post Brexit? I think that the question facing Labour currently is will a Corbyn led party ever win an election? If not for whatever reason...an alternative approach needs to be found. If this issue is not grasped then it seems that Corbyn and his supporters are content to protest from the side, playing the game, without making any real difference. All the pools indicate BJR if there was an election tomorrow there would be a hung Parliament and the most likely Government would be an "Anyone But Boris" One. Im not sure myself Sheikh. Polls have been wrong alot recently. Things cam change quickly. If Boris achieves BREXIT I think he might get s good majority.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2019 9:44:21 GMT
Surely Sheikh the answer is to try to get a credible Labour government post Brexit? I think that the question facing Labour currently is will a Corbyn led party ever win an election? If not for whatever reason...an alternative approach needs to be found. If this issue is not grasped then it seems that Corbyn and his supporters are content to protest from the side, playing the game, without making any real difference. Credible how though mate, that's the question? To a lot of people Labour would be better off dropping Corbyn, bringing in Yvette Cooper, reversing Brexit and living in a centrist Utopia with Jo Swinson and Caroline Lucas. Bringing in a form of democratic socialism in this country was never going to be easy, especially with the make up of our media and the thousands of lobbyists, businesses, parliamentarian's all with their snouts in the trough. Then add Brexit to the mix and it adds yet another dynamic. But I still think a Corbyn led Labour could win an election, albeit I couldn't see them getting a majority in parliament (or anyone else for that matter). Where Corbyn should take a leaf from Boris Johnson is that he hasn't been anywhere near ruthless enough. It's time to rid the party of backstabbers like Tom Watson and go full on to get their message out to the electorate, and if they still don't buy into it then it is what it is....... I think that Corbyn's history will come in to play. The media won't let him escape it.. Also I don't think that his personality/ demeanour suits leadership.... some say that doesn't or shouldn't matter but I think it does. Then there is his team which personally I don't think seems impressive, business like ( and I mean the business of running a country). Then of course the policies, especially a USP have got to be persuasive particularly in the marginals.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 9:51:45 GMT
Credible how though mate, that's the question? To a lot of people Labour would be better off dropping Corbyn, bringing in Yvette Cooper, reversing Brexit and living in a centrist Utopia with Jo Swinson and Caroline Lucas. Bringing in a form of democratic socialism in this country was never going to be easy, especially with the make up of our media and the thousands of lobbyists, businesses, parliamentarian's all with their snouts in the trough. Then add Brexit to the mix and it adds yet another dynamic. But I still think a Corbyn led Labour could win an election, albeit I couldn't see them getting a majority in parliament (or anyone else for that matter). Where Corbyn should take a leaf from Boris Johnson is that he hasn't been anywhere near ruthless enough. It's time to rid the party of backstabbers like Tom Watson and go full on to get their message out to the electorate, and if they still don't buy into it then it is what it is....... I think that Corbyn's history will come in to play. The media won't let him escape it.. Also I don't think that his personality/ demeanour suits leadership.... some say that doesn't or shouldn't matter but I think it does. Then there is his team which personally I don't think seems impressive, business like ( and I mean the business of running a country). Then of course the policies, especially a USP have got to be persuasive particularly in the marginals. Don’t disagree, some of the shadow cabinet are uninspiring. McDonnell is astute though, and talks a lot of sense. Then you have credible MP’s like Starmer who unfortunately want to sing off a different hymn sheet to the party. And therein lies Labour’s problem, it’s two parties in one at the moment which is just confusing. You need clarity of message, then ultimately it boils down to the electorate....
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Post by foster on Aug 14, 2019 9:55:38 GMT
"Oink Oink, snort, oink..."
Nope, just can't do it as well as sheikhy.
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Post by yeokel on Aug 14, 2019 10:29:24 GMT
Surely Sheikh the answer is to try to get a credible Labour government post Brexit? I think that the question facing Labour currently is will a Corbyn led party ever win an election? If not for whatever reason...an alternative approach needs to be found. If this issue is not grasped then it seems that Corbyn and his supporters are content to protest from the side, playing the game, without making any real difference. Credible how though mate, that's the question? To a lot of people Labour would be better off dropping Corbyn, bringing in Yvette Cooper, reversing Brexit and living in a centrist Utopia with Jo Swinson and Caroline Lucas. Bringing in a form of democratic socialism in this country was never going to be easy, especially with the make up of our media and the thousands of lobbyists, businesses, parliamentarian's all with their snouts in the trough. Then add Brexit to the mix and it adds yet another dynamic. But I still think a Corbyn led Labour could win an election, albeit I couldn't see them getting a majority in parliament (or anyone else for that matter). Where Corbyn should take a leaf from Boris Johnson is that he hasn't been anywhere near ruthless enough. It's time to rid the party of backstabbers like Tom Watson and go full on to get their message out to the electorate, and if they still don't buy into it then it is what it is....... You are making the assumption that Corbyn actually wants ‘power’ through becoming PM. I don’t believe there is any evidence of that. As has been said many times, he is a protester not a leader. There is nothing wrong with that, we are not all born leaders and some people are more effective “sniping from the sidelines”. (not that he’s very effective at that either). All you lefties (and me to an extent) need to move on from dreaming of a Corbyn led Labour government (which Jezza himself doesn’t appear to want) to searching for and finding an effective politician who is willing to take on and defeat the Tories and Boris. I don’t see too many of those around at the moment but there must be someone out there. I suspect that person will be Andy Burnham, although I don’t particularly like him myself. He’s learning the trade up in Manc, and I’m confident will make a re-appearance when the time is right.
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Post by Northy on Aug 14, 2019 11:27:13 GMT
Boris Johnson live on facebook atm doing PMQ's from the public
something new ?
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Post by foster on Aug 14, 2019 11:41:23 GMT
Boris Johnson live on facebook atm doing PMQ's from the public something new ? Didn't he already do that? Something new would be Boris Johnson live on facebook doing atm.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2019 12:22:11 GMT
Credible how though mate, that's the question? To a lot of people Labour would be better off dropping Corbyn, bringing in Yvette Cooper, reversing Brexit and living in a centrist Utopia with Jo Swinson and Caroline Lucas. Bringing in a form of democratic socialism in this country was never going to be easy, especially with the make up of our media and the thousands of lobbyists, businesses, parliamentarian's all with their snouts in the trough. Then add Brexit to the mix and it adds yet another dynamic. But I still think a Corbyn led Labour could win an election, albeit I couldn't see them getting a majority in parliament (or anyone else for that matter). Where Corbyn should take a leaf from Boris Johnson is that he hasn't been anywhere near ruthless enough. It's time to rid the party of backstabbers like Tom Watson and go full on to get their message out to the electorate, and if they still don't buy into it then it is what it is....... You are making the assumption that Corbyn actually wants ‘power’ through becoming PM. I don’t believe there is any evidence of that. As has been said many times, he is a protester not a leader. There is nothing wrong with that, we are not all born leaders and some people are more effective “sniping from the sidelines”. (not that he’s very effective at that either). All you lefties (and me to an extent) need to move on from dreaming of a Corbyn led Labour government (which Jezza himself doesn’t appear to want) to searching for and finding an effective politician who is willing to take on and defeat the Tories and Boris. I don’t see too many of those around at the moment but there must be someone out there. I suspect that person will be Andy Burnham, although I don’t particularly like him myself. He’s learning the trade up in Manc, and I’m confident will make a re-appearance when the time is right. John Smith could have taken the Labour party in a different direction and I would have preferred Alan Johnson ( as a leader, not his dtance on Brexit (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/26/alan-johnson-interview-eu-referendum-labour. ) than Burnham. www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/04/jeremy-corbyn-total-disaster-europe-says-former-home-secretary/Unfortunately I think Corbyn has been influenced too much by McDonnell who simply cannot get passed " kill the evil Tories"...the public are looking for something more.
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Post by yeokel on Aug 14, 2019 12:42:19 GMT
You are making the assumption that Corbyn actually wants ‘power’ through becoming PM. I don’t believe there is any evidence of that. As has been said many times, he is a protester not a leader. There is nothing wrong with that, we are not all born leaders and some people are more effective “sniping from the sidelines”. (not that he’s very effective at that either). All you lefties (and me to an extent) need to move on from dreaming of a Corbyn led Labour government (which Jezza himself doesn’t appear to want) to searching for and finding an effective politician who is willing to take on and defeat the Tories and Boris. I don’t see too many of those around at the moment but there must be someone out there. I suspect that person will be Andy Burnham, although I don’t particularly like him myself. He’s learning the trade up in Manc, and I’m confident will make a re-appearance when the time is right. John Smith could have taken the Labour party in a different direction and I would have preferred Alan Johnson ( as a leader, not his dtance on Brexit (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/26/alan-johnson-interview-eu-referendum-labour. ) than Burnham. www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/04/jeremy-corbyn-total-disaster-europe-says-former-home-secretary/Unfortunately I think Corbyn has been influenced too much by McDonnell who simply cannot get passed " kill the evil Tories"...the public are looking for something more. I like Alan Johnson when on the TV but I suspect he, too, is not a ‘leader’. McDonnell is too close to Corbyn and is part of the problem. Sadly though, I don’t feel that Corbyn is particularly bright and would have absolutely nothing to say (as opposed to very little to say) without McDonnell ‘helping’ him.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 14, 2019 15:40:55 GMT
Boris Johnson live on facebook atm doing PMQ's from the public something new ? 'Speaking live on Facebook, where he answered pre-selected questions from members of the public, Nothing more than a Party Political Broadcast.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 14, 2019 16:32:13 GMT
Boris Johnson live on facebook atm doing PMQ's from the public something new ? 'Speaking live on Facebook, where he answered pre-selected questions from members of the public, Nothing more than a Party Political Broadcast. What are the odds Momo on a general election before October?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2019 17:00:06 GMT
'Speaking live on Facebook, where he answered pre-selected questions from members of the public, Nothing more than a Party Political Broadcast. What are the odds Momo on a general election before October? Sorry to intrude. For me I think that Boris intends to deliver BREXIT and then go to the country in early November , triumphant. I think McDonnell and Jeremy are aware of this and therefore will do their upmost to prevent BREXIT from happening.....as it will be perceived a Tory success.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 14, 2019 17:06:19 GMT
What are the odds Momo on a general election before October? Sorry to intrude. For me I think that Boris intends to deliver BREXIT and then go to the country in early November , triumphant. I think McDonnell and Jeremy are aware of this and therefore will do their upmost to prevent BREXIT from happening.....as it will be perceived a Tory success. That's OK John. Just wondered what the odds were which is Momo's field.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 14, 2019 20:26:27 GMT
I know how disgusting a person spending his own money on something he wants he should give it all away to the poor, just like no doubt you do.... I mean, it’s just disgusting, isn’t it?... A friend of Boris Johnson wants to splash out 12 grand of his OWN money to celebrate his leadership victory...whatever next! 🙄 Shall we take a gander at a few MP’s who have had their snouts in the trough... Labour, the gift that keeps giving (or in this case, taking)! ... “Oink, Oink, snort, oink...” We’re all in it together. Interesting read... London MP’s expense claims 2015-16-https://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/politics/mp-expenses-revealed-how-much-your-london-mp-claimed-in-2015-16-1-4781560 What was Boris Johnson’s expense bill?...Well, well, well!
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Post by foster on Aug 14, 2019 20:52:01 GMT
I know how disgusting a person spending his own money on something he wants he should give it all away to the poor, just like no doubt you do.... Labour, the gift that keeps giving (or in this case, taking)! ... “Oink, Oink, snort, oink...” We’re all in it together. Can't believe you stole my pig impression! Have you no shame.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 14, 2019 20:53:54 GMT
I know how disgusting a person spending his own money on something he wants he should give it all away to the poor, just like no doubt you do.... I mean, it’s just disgusting, isn’t it?... A friend of Boris Johnson wants to splash out 12 grand of his OWN money to celebrate his leadership victory...whatever next! 🙄 Shall we take a gander at a few MP’s who have had their snouts in the trough... Labour, the gift that keeps giving (or in this case, taking)! ... “Oink, Oink, snort, oink...” We’re all in it together. Interesting read... London MP’s expense claims 2015-16-https://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/politics/mp-expenses-revealed-how-much-your-london-mp-claimed-in-2015-16-1-4781560 What was Boris Johnson’s expense bill?...Well, well, well! Pissing in the wind mate there is no debating anything 🙄 all their posts are facts ours are bullshit deflecting lies.I'm not even trying now I just hit and run some I don't even reply to no point.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 14, 2019 21:07:54 GMT
I know how disgusting a person spending his own money on something he wants he should give it all away to the poor, just like no doubt you do.... I mean, it’s just disgusting, isn’t it?... A friend of Boris Johnson wants to splash out 12 grand of his OWN money to celebrate his leadership victory...whatever next! 🙄 Shall we take a gander at a few MP’s who have had their snouts in the trough... Labour, the gift that keeps giving (or in this case, taking)! ... “Oink, Oink, snort, oink...” We’re all in it together. Interesting read... London MP’s expense claims 2015-16-https://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/politics/mp-expenses-revealed-how-much-your-london-mp-claimed-in-2015-16-1-4781560 What was Boris Johnson’s expense bill?...Well, well, well! # Your sources. I mean come on your sources
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 14, 2019 21:48:11 GMT
I mean, it’s just disgusting, isn’t it?... A friend of Boris Johnson wants to splash out 12 grand of his OWN money to celebrate his leadership victory...whatever next! 🙄 Shall we take a gander at a few MP’s who have had their snouts in the trough... Labour, the gift that keeps giving (or in this case, taking)! ... “Oink, Oink, snort, oink...” We’re all in it together. Interesting read... London MP’s expense claims 2015-16-https://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/politics/mp-expenses-revealed-how-much-your-london-mp-claimed-in-2015-16-1-4781560 What was Boris Johnson’s expense bill?...Well, well, well! # Your sources. I mean come on your sources Better than yours! ... You’ve been scraping the bottom of the barrel for weeks 😉😀
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 14, 2019 21:50:22 GMT
I mean, it’s just disgusting, isn’t it?... A friend of Boris Johnson wants to splash out 12 grand of his OWN money to celebrate his leadership victory...whatever next! 🙄 Shall we take a gander at a few MP’s who have had their snouts in the trough... Labour, the gift that keeps giving (or in this case, taking)! ... “Oink, Oink, snort, oink...” We’re all in it together. Interesting read... London MP’s expense claims 2015-16-https://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/politics/mp-expenses-revealed-how-much-your-london-mp-claimed-in-2015-16-1-4781560 What was Boris Johnson’s expense bill?...Well, well, well! Pissing in the wind mate there is no debating anything 🙄 all their posts are facts ours are bullshit deflecting lies.I'm not even trying now I just hit and run some I don't even reply to no point. C’mon Franklin... Keep your pecker up! 😀
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 14, 2019 21:58:39 GMT
Pissing in the wind mate there is no debating anything 🙄 all their posts are facts ours are bullshit deflecting lies.I'm not even trying now I just hit and run some I don't even reply to no point. C’mon Franklin... Keep your pecker up! 😀 It winds me up mate some of the personal stuff like the stuff BJR has to put up with is just not for me and the blatant disregard for the facts the barrel scraping smear tactics are just laughable. I'm trying not to lose my temper but it's impossible to do with basic stuff that some fail to comprehend or choose to ignore. I'd rather look at holidays and flights abroad in Europe 😁
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 14, 2019 21:59:09 GMT
# Your sources. I mean come on your sources Better than yours! ... You’ve been scraping the bottom of the barrel for weeks 😉😀 Politicaluk.co.uk, fuck me. That's not barrel scraping that's scraping the botulism off the dirtiest khasi in Hades favourite Kebab House. I'd actually treat something Dominic Cuntings said more than that vile slurry of poisonous effluent!
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 15, 2019 0:04:23 GMT
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 15, 2019 3:24:24 GMT
C’mon Franklin... Keep your pecker up! 😀 It winds me up mate some of the personal stuff like the stuff BJR has to put up with is just not for me and the blatant disregard for the facts the barrel scraping smear tactics are just laughable. I'm trying not to lose my temper but it's impossible to do with basic stuff that some fail to comprehend or choose to ignore. I'd rather look at holidays and flights abroad in Europe 😁 You should stop taking things too personally mate, don’t forget we’re all Stoke fans on here 😀... I admit, you do need a thick skin, luckily I’ve got skin thicker than a fookin Rhino... I once got the 3putts treatment and got called a cunt for rightly predicting the HT score at Hull, I kid you not. I called him a cunt back and that was the end of it I usually debate on Twitter & FB, but you can’t beat the Oatie for entertainment. Anyway, have you booked your hols yet? 😉
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 15, 2019 5:47:06 GMT
And the prize for completely missing the fucking point is heading back to Clayton for the tenth year running..... ……..
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 15, 2019 6:36:45 GMT
It winds me up mate some of the personal stuff like the stuff BJR has to put up with is just not for me and the blatant disregard for the facts the barrel scraping smear tactics are just laughable. I'm trying not to lose my temper but it's impossible to do with basic stuff that some fail to comprehend or choose to ignore. I'd rather look at holidays and flights abroad in Europe 😁 You should stop taking things too personally mate, don’t forget we’re all Stoke fans on here 😀... I admit, you do need a thick skin, luckily I’ve got skin thicker than a fookin Rhino... I once got the 3putts treatment and got called a cunt for rightly predicting the HT score at Hull, I kid you not. I called him a cunt back and that was the end of it I usually debate on Twitter & FB, but you can’t beat the Oatie for entertainment. Anyway, have you booked your hols yet? 😉 Yeah I'm off to Brussels 😁
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Post by Northy on Aug 15, 2019 6:56:06 GMT
Boris Johnson live on facebook atm doing PMQ's from the public something new ? 'Speaking live on Facebook, where he answered pre-selected questions from members of the public, Nothing more than a Party Political Broadcast. I didn't see it, so a bit like Corbyn with his public questions at PMQs ?
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Post by Northy on Aug 15, 2019 7:00:18 GMT
Pissing in the wind mate there is no debating anything 🙄 all their posts are facts ours are bullshit deflecting lies.I'm not even trying now I just hit and run some I don't even reply to no point. C’mon Franklin... Keep your pecker up! 😀 Illigitemi non carborundun
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