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Catalonia
Oct 1, 2017 21:05:24 GMT
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Post by lordb on Oct 1, 2017 21:05:24 GMT
What the fuck are you talking about? I think my post explained it quite clearly. I can repeat myself or you could just read it again, which would you prefer? I'd prefer if it somehow made sense.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 1, 2017 21:06:08 GMT
I think my post explained it quite clearly. I can repeat myself or you could just read it again, which would you prefer? I'd prefer if it somehow made sense. Which bit are you struggling with?
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Catalonia
Oct 1, 2017 21:10:13 GMT
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Post by manmarking on Oct 1, 2017 21:10:13 GMT
So your insight is that somewhere you've never been is a horrible shithole. Great, thanks for that. Anywhere else you've got no knowledge or understanding of that you'd care to enlighten us all on, mate? What's the moon like this time of year? I said I'd only holidayed in Catalonia. I've been to Spain more times than I care to mention, I lived there for a fucking year. Well in which case I apologise for the tone, but I don't get the "horrible shithole" review personally. Spent a lot of time there and always found it to be anything but. Each to their own.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 1, 2017 23:09:40 GMT
So here's the view of the Vice Prez of the EU.... nasty voters are mounting a coup .....
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Post by thevoid on Oct 1, 2017 23:13:39 GMT
So here's the view of the Vice Prez of the EU.... nasty voters are mounting a coup ..... And bashing voters heads in is democracy? Wow 😮
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Post by starkiller on Oct 2, 2017 0:22:51 GMT
The EU is finished. It has no interest in its citizens.
And the BBC describe it in their usual truth hiding ways as 'clashes with police'.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 2, 2017 7:11:21 GMT
The EU is finished. It has no interest in its citizens. And the BBC describe it in their usual truth hiding ways as 'clashes with police'. I did see that the BBC had reported rubber "projectiles" and voting "protesters". Someone on Twitter corrected it to "bullets" and "voters" and sent it back to the BBC. Sent from my SM-G955F using proboards
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 2, 2017 7:49:11 GMT
The EU is finished. It has no interest in its citizens. And the BBC describe it in their usual truth hiding ways as 'clashes with police'. I did see that the BBC had reported rubber "projectiles" and voting "protesters". Someone on Twitter corrected it to "bullets" and "voters" and sent it back to the BBC. Sent from my SM-G955F using proboards There were also protests in Barcelona yesterday, as far as I understand it. There's plenty of videos of police brutality videos that show the police attacking people who are clearly not voting (or waiting to vote) in the referendum - there was also an anti-independence protest. So some of the people attacked were protesters, so it's right to call them that. It doesn't make the attacks on them any less abhorrent. Whoever sent it back 'corrected' should have used "rubber bullets" - there is a massive difference, and as far as I'm aware the Spanish police did not use actual bullets.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Oct 2, 2017 11:51:48 GMT
I think my post explained it quite clearly. I can repeat myself or you could just read it again, which would you prefer? I'd prefer if it somehow made sense. The point he’s making is that the police brutality displayed in Catalonia is actually fascism and that it makes a mockery of what the far left perceive and claim as fascism. That’s how I read it anyway.
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Catalonia
Oct 2, 2017 13:15:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 13:15:24 GMT
Oh my. What a kerfuffle
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Post by Billy the kid on Oct 2, 2017 15:11:58 GMT
I find it interesting that the msm are not giving this as much coverage as it deserves, due to a shootout in Las Vegas.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Oct 2, 2017 18:37:46 GMT
Now they're claiming that despite it being "illegal", 90% of a 50% turnout proves nothing.
Put your fucking money where your mouth is then, Spain.
Do it offish.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 3, 2017 5:17:13 GMT
Indeed and don't forget kiddies the EU won't stop you getting your head caved in going to vote but they'll protect your employment rights and they all lived happily ever after.
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Post by lordb on Oct 3, 2017 6:21:04 GMT
I'd prefer if it somehow made sense. The point he’s making is that the police brutality displayed in Catalonia is actually fascism and that it makes a mockery of what the far left perceive and claim as fascism. That’s how I read it anyway. Ok I've read it again and don't see that point being made. Are the left saying that the police brutality isn't fascim? Is anybody?
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Catalonia
Oct 3, 2017 12:17:49 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 3, 2017 12:17:49 GMT
The point he’s making is that the police brutality displayed in Catalonia is actually fascism and that it makes a mockery of what the far left perceive and claim as fascism. That’s how I read it anyway. Ok I've read it again and don't see that point being made. Are the left saying that the police brutality isn't fascim? Is anybody? His point was that some people have variously claimed voting for Trump or Brexit is fascism when in reality its just because they voted for someone or something they did not want or like. Actual fascism is getting your head caved in for something like this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 18:28:48 GMT
The master is back
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Post by spiler on Oct 3, 2017 18:30:02 GMT
The master is back The pillock is back I'm the fucking master. And don't forget eet yer little scrote
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 18:31:53 GMT
The master is back The pillock is back Yes, I noticed you posted on the B day thread
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Post by spiler on Oct 3, 2017 18:33:34 GMT
The pillock is back Yes, I noticed you posted on the B day thread That's because i'm a nice bloke and I respect the elderly.
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Catalonia
Oct 3, 2017 20:13:12 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 3, 2017 20:13:12 GMT
Amid rumours that Spain may introduce direct rule from Madrid
Not fully reported in MSM
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Catalonia
Oct 3, 2017 20:30:43 GMT
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Post by lordb on Oct 3, 2017 20:30:43 GMT
Where does this lead? Spanish tanks in Catalonia?
Will the Basques pick up the baton?
Corsica? Flemish?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 3, 2017 21:13:58 GMT
Shit band.
(Has anyone done this one yet? I carna be arsed trawl through three pages)
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Post by xchpotter on Oct 3, 2017 21:18:46 GMT
The actions of the Spanish government removes any doubt that they wouldn't do exactly the same to Gibraltar given half a chance.
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Catalonia
Oct 3, 2017 22:21:42 GMT
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Post by lordb on Oct 3, 2017 22:21:42 GMT
Ok I've read it again and don't see that point being made. Are the left saying that the police brutality isn't fascim? Is anybody? His point was that some people have variously claimed voting for Trump or Brexit is fascism when in reality its just because they voted for someone or something they did not want or like. Actual fascism is getting your head caved in for something like this. Oh right Fascism isn't just state brutality. Brexit isn't an expression of fascism, wasn't aware anyone was claiming it was. Trump isn't anything other then a clown.
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Post by woodstein on Oct 4, 2017 5:12:15 GMT
Anyone know exactly why catalans want independence? I know they have their own lingo & road signs etc in some places. Are catalans supporters of the EU? If so, rather like the jock independence supporters, how can there be a union if they want to go their own way so much?
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Post by lordb on Oct 4, 2017 9:03:02 GMT
Anyone know exactly why catalans want independence? I know they have their own lingo & road signs etc in some places. Are catalans supporters of the EU? If so, rather like the jock independence supporters, how can there be a union if they want to go their own way so much? Like the Scots they want to be in the EU and like the Scots Spain would veto their application.
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Post by starkiller on Oct 4, 2017 9:11:08 GMT
Anyone know exactly why catalans want independence? I know they have their own lingo & road signs etc in some places. Are catalans supporters of the EU? If so, rather like the jock independence supporters, how can there be a union if they want to go their own way so much? Like the Scots they want to be in the EU and like the Scots Spain would veto their application. There is no great support for the EU, and it's just dropped considerably.
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 4, 2017 9:29:25 GMT
This is an extremely difficult situation. An illegal and non-binding referendum due to the Spanish constitution. What if London decided to vote to leave England? It is not dissimilar (in terms of being unconstitutional and illegal) but then if 90% voted to leave, how could the government ignore it!?
And Catalonia and Spain would instantly have customs and trade tariffs if Catalonia leave. There would meed to be a border. They would have apply for membership of the EU to avoid it.
If the vote is allowed to count then what is stopping the breakup of other nations into small regions? Where would that leave nations, immigration, trade, the EU, football etc.
Chaos.
At the very least, Spain must have a referendum asap and I think Catonia need to be realistic about a potential independence date as setting up the infrastructure and admin that will go with it will be a complete nightmare. I cannot imagine that the Catalonia economy is particularly self sufficient!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 10:34:37 GMT
This is an extremely difficult situation. An illegal and non-binding referendum due to the Spanish constitution. What if London decided to vote to leave England? It is not dissimilar (in terms of being unconstitutional and illegal) but then if 90% voted to leave, how could the government ignore it!? And Catalonia and Spain would instantly have customs and trade tariffs if Catalonia leave. There would meed to be a border. They would have apply for membership of the EU to avoid it. If the vote is allowed to count then what is stopping the breakup of other nations into small regions? Where would that leave nations, immigration, trade, the EU, football etc. Chaos. At the very least, Spain must have a referendum asap and I think Catonia need to be realistic about a potential independence date as setting up the infrastructure and admin that will go with it will be a complete nightmare. I cannot imagine that the Catalonia economy is particularly self sufficient! I know nothing of the legalities of the vote. But if the British police did what the Spanish did to its citizens the eu would have them in the courts immediately, not turn a blind eye
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Post by flea79 on Oct 4, 2017 10:39:58 GMT
could lead to a civil war, in which case Grandad Trotter can start his Spanish gun running again!
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