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Post by crapslinger on Sept 26, 2017 11:39:25 GMT
And Mendy? He's a left-back. So Walker, Danilo and Mendy. They've all contributed this season and sort of changed that team completely, that's what I was trying to get at how full-backs/wing-backs can change a team completely in this system. They're the most important position in this system in my opinion. How the fuck can we play a system that requires wing backs and we have none , it makes no sense to decide a system and not bring in two players that are imperative to make it work.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 26, 2017 17:35:09 GMT
They're the most important position in this system in my opinion. How the fuck can we play a system that requires wing backs and we have none , it makes no sense to decide a system and not bring in two players that are imperative to make it work. I agree its incompetent, regardless of results it should have been top priority.
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Post by VolvicStokie on Sept 26, 2017 18:27:16 GMT
It is a monumental fuck up still playing 1 up front and wing backs that aren't wing backs.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 26, 2017 19:00:53 GMT
It is a monumental fuck up still playing 1 up front and wing backs that aren't wing backs. Especially when the one up front is not a proper CF, Berahino looks like a lost cause already, Crouch is still the most likely goal scorer Hughes plays at CF and he is 37 FFS, I really do feel for Pieters and Mama forced into wing back roles neither is cut out for, this balls up is down to the manager this is his fault entirely.
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Sept 26, 2017 19:30:33 GMT
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 26, 2017 19:30:33 GMT
Froth froth froth...
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 26, 2017 21:09:26 GMT
No froth on this rum and coke, Cheese! I'm beginning to think I might have a drink problem...
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 26, 2017 21:21:02 GMT
No froth on this rum and coke, Cheese! I'm beginning to think I might have a think problem... Amended for you mucka.
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Sept 26, 2017 21:26:58 GMT
Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 26, 2017 21:26:58 GMT
No froth on this rum and coke, Cheese! I'm beginning to think I might have a think problem... Amended for you mucka. Who cares? We were proved right on the 3 at the back argument. Now they all bow!
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 26, 2017 21:46:09 GMT
Who cares? We were proved right on the 3 at the back argument. Now they all bow! Nah there'll be no boughing. Some are catching up, but still plenty wedded to defensive shields, confused about wingers and strikers and that. Dunner matter though. Enjoying the ride again. Jury's out over Joey Allen just yet that's all. Half Full.
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Post by djduncanjames on Sept 26, 2017 22:00:17 GMT
They're the most important position in this system in my opinion. How the fuck can we play a system that requires wing backs and we have none , it makes no sense to decide a system and not bring in two players that are imperative to make it work. Nice one blaming Hughes again. Any worker needs the right tools to do the job faster/better. Maybe Hughes is trying to show his boss the new tools he needs? The system needed changing but the wallet was closed. I would bet loads he didn't want to sell Bardo as well. Would like the young lads given a shot then if that's the case. 4-0 or,6-0 not much difference in the end...
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 26, 2017 22:08:42 GMT
How the fuck can we play a system that requires wing backs and we have none , it makes no sense to decide a system and not bring in two players that are imperative to make it work. Nice one blaming Hughes again. Any worker needs the right tools to do the job faster/better. Maybe Hughes is trying to show his boss the new tools he needs? The system needed changing but the wallet was closed. I would bet loads he didn't want to sell Bardo as well. Would like the young lads given a shot then if that's the case. 4-0 or,6-0 not much difference in the end... He's the fuckin manager you dozy tin hat, he decides on the system he did the same last season the man is a clueless clown pinching a living.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 26, 2017 22:19:07 GMT
Nice one blaming Hughes again. Any worker needs the right tools to do the job faster/better. Maybe Hughes is trying to show his boss the new tools he needs? The system needed changing but the wallet was closed. I would bet loads he didn't want to sell Bardo as well. Would like the young lads given a shot then if that's the case. 4-0 or,6-0 not much difference in the end... He's the fuckin manager you dozy tin hat, he decides on the system he did the same last season the man is a clueless clown pinching a living. Froth. Look what you've unleashed Dunc, craps tripping over his tongue.. ruining his own taste buds. Enjoy the nogger while it lasts mucka.
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Sept 26, 2017 23:25:53 GMT
Post by kustokie on Sept 26, 2017 23:25:53 GMT
You can cover far more ground with an accurate pass than running with it. It is a balance though. Ramadan wasn't quick thinking enough and we couldn't cope with Marata's rapidity, he's got an extra yard of quality too. Not a fan of speed over nogger nouse, which we see often in football. Moaning about it now won't solve it. It's just an impotent gripe. Pieters, Diouf are rapido. Shaq's quick with the spinning legs. Verlinden, N'Goy, Edwards, Tymon? To come through Dunno. Speed is over rated. You're joking, right?
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Sept 26, 2017 23:30:28 GMT
Post by kustokie on Sept 26, 2017 23:30:28 GMT
Nice one blaming Hughes again. Any worker needs the right tools to do the job faster/better. Maybe Hughes is trying to show his boss the new tools he needs? The system needed changing but the wallet was closed. I would bet loads he didn't want to sell Bardo as well. Would like the young lads given a shot then if that's the case. 4-0 or,6-0 not much difference in the end... He's the fuckin manager you dozy tin hat, he decides on the system he did the same last season the man is a clueless clown pinching a living. Beat me to it. It's beyond me that anyone can say our poor performances are not Hughes's fault because he can only work with the players at his disposal. He's had more than enough time (and money) to assemble a team that plays to his system. The problem is he doesn't know what his system is.
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Sept 27, 2017 1:20:41 GMT
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Post by djduncanjames on Sept 27, 2017 1:20:41 GMT
He's the fuckin manager you dozy tin hat, he decides on the system he did the same last season the man is a clueless clown pinching a living. Beat me to it. It's beyond me that anyone can say our poor performances are not Hughes's fault because he can only work with the players at his disposal. He's had more than enough time (and money) to assemble a team that plays to his system. The problem is he doesn't know what his system is. At least you admitted it's beyond you...
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Post by kustokie on Sept 27, 2017 1:58:02 GMT
Beat me to it. It's beyond me that anyone can say our poor performances are not Hughes's fault because he can only work with the players at his disposal. He's had more than enough time (and money) to assemble a team that plays to his system. The problem is he doesn't know what his system is. At least you admitted it's beyond you... To be honest, most things are beyond me these days, DJ. That's why I have nothing better to do of an evening than write cobblers on the Oatcake. I suspect most people who post on here are in the same boat. Getting old sucks but it beats the alternative (I think).
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 27, 2017 6:59:57 GMT
Pace is probably the most important commodity in modern football and it's bizarre that two managers in a row now haven't seemed to value it. Hughes came in preaching its values at first but now even he seems to eschew it.
You always need pace in the final third but in this system you need rapid wing backs and we've only really got one (and he's not, if we're honest, really quite good enough to start every week).
We're doing ok, but it should be a screaming priority for the manager in the next couple of windows.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 27, 2017 12:26:56 GMT
Pace is probably the most important commodity in modern football and it's bizarre that two managers in a row now haven't seemed to value it. Hughes came in preaching its values at first but now even he seems to eschew it. You always need pace in the final third but in this system you need rapid wing backs and we've only really got one (and he's not, if we're honest, really quite good enough to start every week). We're doing ok, but it should be a screaming priority for the manager in the next couple of windows. Thank you.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 27, 2017 13:07:23 GMT
Pace is probably the most important commodity in modern football and it's bizarre that two managers in a row now haven't seemed to value it. Hughes came in preaching its values at first but now even he seems to eschew it. You always need pace in the final third but in this system you need rapid wing backs and we've only really got one (and he's not, if we're honest, really quite good enough to start every week). We're doing ok, but it should be a screaming priority for the manager in the next couple of windows. Totally agree - we will only properly utilise this 3-4-3 system with two pacey wing backs, an N'Zonzi-a-like in the middle of the park, and a big, powerful, mobile, number 9 for Shaq and Choupo/Jese to play off. In January, get in Luke Shaw on loan until the summer (with a view to a permanent deal), spend 15-20m on Aboubakar of Porto to lead the line and follow up our summer interest in Josuha Guilavogui. Then we might be getting somewhere. If Jese does not sign, I'd love us to go big on bidding for Malcom - a wonderful speedy winger/attacker used to playing in a front three at Bordeaux and still young. If Richarlison can get a work permit, so should he.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 27, 2017 13:17:32 GMT
Pace is probably the most important commodity in modern football and it's bizarre that two managers in a row now haven't seemed to value it. Hughes came in preaching its values at first but now even he seems to eschew it. You always need pace in the final third but in this system you need rapid wing backs and we've only really got one (and he's not, if we're honest, really quite good enough to start every week). We're doing ok, but it should be a screaming priority for the manager in the next couple of windows. Totally agree - we will only properly utilise this 3-4-3 system with two pacey wing backs, an N'Zonzi-a-like in the middle of the park, and a big, powerful, mobile, number 9 for Shaq and Choupo/Jese to play off. In January, get in Luke Shaw on loan until the summer (with a view to a permanent deal), spend 15-20m on Aboubakar of Porto to lead the line and follow up our summer interest in Josuha Guilavogui. Then we might be getting somewhere. If Jese does not sign, I'd love us to go big on bidding for Malcom - a wonderful speedy winger/attacker used to playing in a front three at Bordeaux and still young. If Richarlison can get a work permit, so should he. Is Aboubakar your new M'vila Jezza?
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 27, 2017 13:28:06 GMT
Totally agree - we will only properly utilise this 3-4-3 system with two pacey wing backs, an N'Zonzi-a-like in the middle of the park, and a big, powerful, mobile, number 9 for Shaq and Choupo/Jese to play off. In January, get in Luke Shaw on loan until the summer (with a view to a permanent deal), spend 15-20m on Aboubakar of Porto to lead the line and follow up our summer interest in Josuha Guilavogui. Then we might be getting somewhere. If Jese does not sign, I'd love us to go big on bidding for Malcom - a wonderful speedy winger/attacker used to playing in a front three at Bordeaux and still young. If Richarlison can get a work permit, so should he. Is Aboubakar your new M'vila Jezza? I have not quite given up hope on the old one yet!
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 27, 2017 14:11:31 GMT
Totally agree - we will only properly utilise this 3-4-3 system with two pacey wing backs, an N'Zonzi-a-like in the middle of the park, and a big, powerful, mobile, number 9 for Shaq and Choupo/Jese to play off. In January, get in Luke Shaw on loan until the summer (with a view to a permanent deal), spend 15-20m on Aboubakar of Porto to lead the line and follow up our summer interest in Josuha Guilavogui. Then we might be getting somewhere. If Jese does not sign, I'd love us to go big on bidding for Malcom - a wonderful speedy winger/attacker used to playing in a front three at Bordeaux and still young. If Richarlison can get a work permit, so should he. Is Aboubakar your new M'vila Jezza? Shaw on the left...who on the right then?
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 27, 2017 14:26:39 GMT
Pace is without doubt becoming more and more important in football, and if you look at the best players in the world they all have more than just decent pace. Of course there are a lot of good players that just have decent pace, but very few slow players are able to play at the highest level. Even players that look very slow in the premier league are in reality at least averagely fast! A brain is always needed in football if you are going to become a good footballer, but the brain you need for football isn't always the same as the one you need in your day to day life! I think of players like Gazza and Maradona who had excellent footbal brains, but they certainly lacked something up there when it came to the ordinary life!
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 27, 2017 14:39:11 GMT
Is Aboubakar your new M'vila Jezza? Shaw on the left...who on the right then? For now Diouf, as Hughes shows no signs of moving him elsewhere, he does have pace to get up and down the flank, and may grow into the defensive side of the role. In the summer, I would like us to consider our options out there, maybe Trippier will be fed up with playing 2nd fiddle to Aurier after thinking the spot was his when Walker left, maybe Newcastle will get relegated and we could nick DeAndre Yedlin, maybe Edwards will blossom and get the chance to stake his claim?
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Post by davethebass on Sept 27, 2017 14:54:32 GMT
You can cover far more ground with an accurate pass than running with it. It is a balance though. Ramadan wasn't quick thinking enough and we couldn't cope with Marata's rapidity, he's got an extra yard of quality too. Not a fan of speed over nogger nouse, which we see often in football. Moaning about it now won't solve it. It's just an impotent gripe. Pieters, Diouf are rapido. Shaq's quick with the spinning legs. Verlinden, N'Goy, Edwards, Tymon? To come through Dunno. Speed is over rated. Is it fuck!! Coke is over rated but speed never 👍 Any mushies around yet? ... second thoughts, don't answer that - best not give away locations on a public forum!
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Post by davethebass on Sept 27, 2017 14:59:47 GMT
Is it fuck!! Coke is over rated but speed never 👍 Are you a slimmer? Saw Quadraphenia on the box tother night Edit - or was it Northen Soul? .. haha both I think! Northern Soul would have been a good watch btw, I thought; but I couldn't get past the fact they never even fucking mentioned The Torch once! Which is where it all started ffs! ... just made out it was all a Wigan thing! "Stoke-ist. Anti Stoke"
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 27, 2017 15:13:36 GMT
Shaw on the left...who on the right then? For now Diouf, as Hughes shows no signs of moving him elsewhere, he does have pace to get up and down the flank, and may grow into the defensive side of the role. In the summer, I would like us to consider our options out there, maybe Trippier will be fed up with playing 2nd fiddle to Aurier after thinking the spot was his when Walker left, maybe Newcastle will get relegated and we could nick DeAndre Yedlin, maybe Edwards will blossom and get the chance to stake his claim? Too vague, Mr Leese. Pointless improving the left without the right. I think it'll stay as it is until the season's end. Slightly shambolic really.
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Post by riverman on Sept 27, 2017 16:47:59 GMT
John Bonham was better
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Post by djduncanjames on Sept 28, 2017 21:50:37 GMT
Nice one blaming Hughes again. Any worker needs the right tools to do the job faster/better. Maybe Hughes is trying to show his boss the new tools he needs? The system needed changing but the wallet was closed. I would bet loads he didn't want to sell Bardo as well. Would like the young lads given a shot then if that's the case. 4-0 or,6-0 not much difference in the end... He's the fuckin manager you dozy tin hat, he decides on the system he did the same last season the man is a clueless clown pinching a living. I respectfully disagree with your assessment of our manager.
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