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Post by ceejays on Sept 20, 2017 14:41:08 GMT
Mark Hughes: Stoke win over Arsenal 'response to unfair criticism'
Well you dont half shoot yourself in the foot Mr Hughes
Is last nights criticism unfair ?
Youre in your 5th year here and we should be doing a lot better dont u think ?
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Post by sportsman on Sept 20, 2017 14:55:49 GMT
Mark Hughes: Stoke win over Arsenal 'response to unfair criticism' Well you dont half shoot yourself in the foot Mr Hughes Is last nights criticism unfair ? Youre in your 5th year here and we should be doing a lot better dont u think ? I'm sure Hughes along with klopp sent them out saying it's an important game, although this cup is usually won by a top 6 team most years anyway just as a side note. The players should put the performance in last night. I'm not going start crying over it though, as in the main it's been a decent start apart from last night. Get behind the potters against Chelsea I say, though some will be gutted if we don't win. Great isn't it? |
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Post by ceejays on Sept 20, 2017 15:08:05 GMT
Without sounding like benji biscuit
Everton - one shot in 92nd minute
WBA - lucky lucky goal and never looked like scoring
Newcastle - all over the place and lucky it was only 2-1 (that said we missed several chances) - i was there in person
Bristol - say no more
Away from home 1 win in 11 since January
The next away game - Man City
Doubt we can replicate last year but heyho - life goes on
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 20, 2017 15:15:11 GMT
Without sounding like benji biscuit Everton - one shot in 92nd minute WBA - lucky lucky goal and never looked like scoring Newcastle - all over the place and lucky it was only 2-1 (that said we missed several chances) - i was there in person Bristol - say no more Away from home 1 win in 11 since January The next away game - Man City Doubt we can replicate last year but heyho - life goes on We have more points and more goals than at this stage last year. I think we can have a decent bash at it, for all our faults. |
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Post by cmc89 on Sept 20, 2017 17:03:34 GMT
Without sounding like benji biscuit Everton - one shot in 92nd minute WBA - lucky lucky goal and never looked like scoring Newcastle - all over the place and lucky it was only 2-1 (that said we missed several chances) - i was there in person Bristol - say no more Away from home 1 win in 11 since January The next away game - Man City Doubt we can replicate last year but heyho - life goes on didnt realise we'd only played 4 games so far this season. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 17:05:26 GMT
Serious question, how can we do a lot better? For me, it's appoint a manager who has a history of managing top 4/5 clubs in major European leagues and give them 100 million to spend at least (and even that's pretty low ball money now, it'd have to be spent wisely). Without us once sanctioning any transfers over £18 million I can't really see how we are going to achieve what people seem to be expecting from our club, as even the most patient of fans seem to demand top half finishes as a minimum now.
Personally I'm happy with our lot. I'd rather have a local owner going for a sustainable way of staying in the league, even if that is only feasible for another year or two before even more clubs are taken over by Chinese or America billionaires seemingly content with chucking their money into a black hole.
Having a local owner is about the only thing left that makes us relatable in my opinion. It's very sad to me that every club in the top two leagues is slowly getting taken over and will essentially be a franchise, where none of the players, staff or owners will have any ties to the city the club is in.
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Post by sportsman on Sept 20, 2017 17:11:22 GMT
Without sounding like benji biscuit Everton - one shot in 92nd minute WBA - lucky lucky goal and never looked like scoring Newcastle - all over the place and lucky it was only 2-1 (that said we missed several chances) - i was there in person Bristol - say no more Away from home 1 win in 11 since January The next away game - Man City Doubt we can replicate last year but heyho - life goes on didnt realise we'd only played 4 games so far this season. Agenda. I didn't see the Newcastle game and may be wrong but stats off top of my head are about 65% possession, more shots on and off target? |
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 20, 2017 17:18:50 GMT
Some fans are against Hughes end of. Fair enough they want him out no matter what.
Abysmal performances last night are manna from heaven for them.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 20, 2017 17:27:15 GMT
Without sounding like benji biscuit Everton - one shot in 92nd minute WBA - lucky lucky goal and never looked like scoring Newcastle - all over the place and lucky it was only 2-1 (that said we missed several chances) - i was there in person Bristol - say no more Away from home 1 win in 11 since January The next away game - Man City Doubt we can replicate last year but heyho - life goes on didnt realise we'd only played 4 games so far this season. Mate, don't bother responding, you're wasting your time. We seem to have some complete weapons following our club , who cannot wait to stick the boot in when we have a poor result. Didn't hear much off them after we got 4 points off Arsenal and United. |
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Post by superheroantonius on Sept 20, 2017 17:27:26 GMT
Some fans are against Hughes end of. Fair enough they want him out no matter what. Abysmal performances last night are manna from heaven for them. Definitely Because fans want to see there team win or go down all guns blazing. Nobody wants to see lame, can't be arsed defeats, as they are waste of time and an insult to the fans Hughes biggest weakness is the amount of no shows, he presides over. Which is frankly embarrassing. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 20, 2017 17:28:11 GMT
didnt realise we'd only played 4 games so far this season. Agenda. I didn't see the Newcastle game and may be wrong but stats off top of my head are about 65% possession, more shots on and off target? According to the BBC: Possession 42-58 Shots 14-13 On Target 3-4 We could easily have got something, but think it would have been a bit undeserved. Joselu should have had a hat-trick. |
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Post by march4 on Sept 20, 2017 17:30:20 GMT
Huge games coming up for Hughes. As Smudge says in the Sentivale we need a win in one of them.
When we were being sensible on here (unlikely I know) the consensus was Hughes should be given until the end of September to prove himself. The end of September is approaching.
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Post by loosestools on Sept 20, 2017 17:41:40 GMT
If we lose to Bournemouth there will be hell to play on here. That will be the game which may make or break.
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Post by ceejays on Sept 21, 2017 8:54:53 GMT
Yes possession stats are correct
I would think the possession stats for the first twenty minutes of the match were even more skewed.
We probably had 85% in the first twenty minutes
We must score i kept telling myself else i can see whats going to happen
And it did - Allen got robbed of the ball and away they went and scored
Newcastle played counter attack all match so yes our possession was up in the 60% area
But the clear cut chances fell to Newcastle
As for being doom merchant that makes me laugh
Blackburn Hull Wolves and now Bristol City
Ive been a supporter thick and thin for 60 years so Im entitled to the occasional frustrated post !!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 9:13:42 GMT
He put a decent side out in the cup. Such a shame that fan favourites like Adam and Crouch were a bag of wank as per usual. Both should have fucked off 2 years ago, not given contract extensions.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 21, 2017 9:41:20 GMT
Huge games coming up for Hughes. As Smudge says in the Sentivale we need a win in one of them. When we were being sensible on here (unlikely I know) the consensus was Hughes should be given until the end of September to prove himself. The end of September is approaching. And what would 'proving himself' constitute? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 9:50:13 GMT
Critisism from outside was towards the fans mostly ...understandable
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Post by burge2u on Sept 21, 2017 10:06:28 GMT
If we lose to Bournemouth there will be hell to play on here. That will be the game which may make or break. Is that your self-fulfilling prophesy ? |
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Post by thisfish on Sept 21, 2017 11:14:41 GMT
Serious question, how can we do a lot better? For me, it's appoint a manager who has a history of managing top 4/5 clubs in major European leagues and give them 100 million to spend at least (and even that's pretty low ball money now, it'd have to be spent wisely). Without us once sanctioning any transfers over £18 million I can't really see how we are going to achieve what people seem to be expecting from our club, as even the most patient of fans seem to demand top half finishes as a minimum now. Personally I'm happy with our lot. I'd rather have a local owner going for a sustainable way of staying in the league, even if that is only feasible for another year or two before even more clubs are taken over by Chinese or America billionaires seemingly content with chucking their money into a black hole. Having a local owner is about the only thing left that makes us relatable in my opinion. It's very sad to me that every club in the top two leagues is slowly getting taken over and will essentially be a franchise, where none of the players, staff or owners will have any ties to the city the club is in. Even that might not be enough. We (Newcastle) have Benitez and let him spend >£80m, even if he had another £100m I can't imagine we'd suddenly usurp any of the traditional top 6. Then places 7-15 are so fluid that there could be a couple of points between top half and a relegation scrap. fwiw I think for clubs outside the elite, league finishes should take a back seat to cup focus, but that's through the eyes of a fan, and not a money man. |
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Post by fca47 on Sept 21, 2017 12:14:06 GMT
We are very inconsistent, couldn't buy a win against the better teams last year, but doing Ok this season, so far, but you get the feeling we will struggle when we have to take the game to teams, we haven't got any decent forwards and not got the discipline at the back when we try to open a game up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 12:23:00 GMT
I think that there are some fans who are just happy that we're still in the Premier League. That's a fair stance, given the numerous, much bigger clubs that sit outside of it.
It doesn't mean that the fans whom have a slightly elevated ambition, are wrong though.
I think a cup run, now and again, is a fair ask. We've literally pissed our cup opportunities up the wall, in recent years.
Add in the numerous spineless, characterless no-shows we've seen over the past couple of years, that have been mentioned, and it becomes about a bit more than just 'existing' for some people.
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Post by wembley1972 on Sept 21, 2017 16:41:34 GMT
Serious question, how can we do a lot better? For me, it's appoint a manager who has a history of managing top 4/5 clubs in major European leagues and give them 100 million to spend at least (and even that's pretty low ball money now, it'd have to be spent wisely). Without us once sanctioning any transfers over £18 million I can't really see how we are going to achieve what people seem to be expecting from our club, as even the most patient of fans seem to demand top half finishes as a minimum now. Personally I'm happy with our lot. I'd rather have a local owner going for a sustainable way of staying in the league, even if that is only feasible for another year or two before even more clubs are taken over by Chinese or America billionaires seemingly content with chucking their money into a black hole. Having a local owner is about the only thing left that makes us relatable in my opinion. It's very sad to me that every club in the top two leagues is slowly getting taken over and will essentially be a franchise, where none of the players, staff or owners will have any ties to the city the club is in. Spot on! I can't see a manager with that kind of history coming to us, and we are not really a desirable club are we. |
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Post by ST1 Stokie on Sept 21, 2017 17:25:30 GMT
Just to correct Ceejays
We had 2 shots on target against Everton. Diouf had a shot in the first half that was pushed out for a corner by Pickford...albeit I think it was meant as a shot
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Post by shaunyboy88 on Sept 21, 2017 17:33:27 GMT
Mark Hughes: Stoke win over Arsenal 'response to unfair criticism' Well you dont half shoot yourself in the foot Mr Hughes Is last nights criticism unfair ? Youre in your 5th year here and we should be doing a lot better dont u think ? Yes I agree, you have to judge him from a chairmans point of view, Imbula,berahino? |
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Post by Dr Hesham on Sept 21, 2017 17:38:16 GMT
Playing with 3 defenders makes it better when you face an attacking team, this is why Stoke did well against Man U and Arsenal
But playing with 3 defenders against West Brom and New Castle is Shit
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 9:23:36 GMT
Serious question, how can we do a lot better? For me, it's appoint a manager who has a history of managing top 4/5 clubs in major European leagues and give them 100 million to spend at least (and even that's pretty low ball money now, it'd have to be spent wisely). Without us once sanctioning any transfers over £18 million I can't really see how we are going to achieve what people seem to be expecting from our club, as even the most patient of fans seem to demand top half finishes as a minimum now. Personally I'm happy with our lot. I'd rather have a local owner going for a sustainable way of staying in the league, even if that is only feasible for another year or two before even more clubs are taken over by Chinese or America billionaires seemingly content with chucking their money into a black hole. Having a local owner is about the only thing left that makes us relatable in my opinion. It's very sad to me that every club in the top two leagues is slowly getting taken over and will essentially be a franchise, where none of the players, staff or owners will have any ties to the city the club is in. Even that might not be enough. We (Newcastle) have Benitez and let him spend >£80m, even if he had another £100m I can't imagine we'd suddenly usurp any of the traditional top 6. Then places 7-15 are so fluid that there could be a couple of points between top half and a relegation scrap. fwiw I think for clubs outside the elite, league finishes should take a back seat to cup focus, but that's through the eyes of a fan, and not a money man. It'd probably be the sensible way forward, as it'd be the only realistic way to qualify for the Europa and then having a serious crack at that at least gives you some minuscule hope for the Champions League. Managing to balance that with staying up is ridiculously hard now though, you've only got to look at Everton's start to the season. |
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Post by thisfish on Sept 22, 2017 11:12:58 GMT
It'd probably be the sensible way forward, as it'd be the only realistic way to qualify for the Europa and then having a serious crack at that at least gives you some minuscule hope for the Champions League. Managing to balance that with staying up is ridiculously hard now though, you've only got to look at Everton's start to the season. I don’t buy the pervading wisdom that committing to the cups is risking your Premier League survival. I just think it’s a challenge for managers of clubs outside the top 6 to balance the demands of each competition with the squad they’ve available. A challenge that a good number fail at. That challenge isn’t easy mind you, it’s tough, but a top flight manager should be able to that with his squad of 25. Certainly to get past Stevenage borough without the need of a replay. I know our owner (via a mouthpiece) declared that x number of cup winners also went down, citing Wigan and Portsmouth etc. Trouble is, there were plenty of teams in the competition who gave the cup their all, and they didn’t go down did they Mr Ashley? You corpulent Simon Legree mother f****r! Trying in one or two extra games of football shouldn’t mean your collapse in the league, and I’d suggest that a club’s relegation is because over 38 games they weren’t good enough, and not because they had 3 or 4 extra games in the season. I mean, obviously should your only goal threat, or only 'keeper get a season ending injury away to Blyth Spartans that's likely to have a lasting impact on your league progress, but injuries can happen to any player, at any club, at any time. finally, I'd rather we rotated our bench than fielded a side with 9 changes in the cup. How much are you really going to tell about your young winger if he's playing alongside your 4th choice midfielder, your 3rd choice striker and in a new formation? Bring the young lad on in the final 15 minutes against Bournemouth, don't give him 60 minutes against Bolton's heavily rotated FA Cup side. tl;dr if you get relegated it's because you were shit for a season, not for a couple of games. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 12:01:48 GMT
It'd probably be the sensible way forward, as it'd be the only realistic way to qualify for the Europa and then having a serious crack at that at least gives you some minuscule hope for the Champions League. Managing to balance that with staying up is ridiculously hard now though, you've only got to look at Everton's start to the season. I don’t buy the pervading wisdom that committing to the cups is risking your Premier League survival. I just think it’s a challenge for managers of clubs outside the top 6 to balance the demands of each competition with the squad they’ve available. A challenge that a good number fail at. That challenge isn’t easy mind you, it’s tough, but a top flight manager should be able to that with his squad of 25. Certainly to get past Stevenage borough without the need of a replay. I know our owner (via a mouthpiece) declared that x number of cup winners also went down, citing Wigan and Portsmouth etc. Trouble is, there were plenty of teams in the competition who gave the cup their all, and they didn’t go down did they Mr Ashley? You corpulent Simon Legree mother f****r! Trying in one or two extra games of football shouldn’t mean your collapse in the league, and I’d suggest that a club’s relegation is because over 38 games they weren’t good enough, and not because they had 3 or 4 extra games in the season. I mean, obviously should your only goal threat, or only 'keeper get a season ending injury away to Blyth Spartans that's likely to have a lasting impact on your league progress, but injuries can happen to any player, at any club, at any time. finally, I'd rather we rotated our bench than fielded a side with 9 changes in the cup. How much are you really going to tell about your young winger if he's playing alongside your 4th choice midfielder, your 3rd choice striker and in a new formation? Bring the young lad on in the final 15 minutes against Bournemouth, don't give him 60 minutes against Bolton's heavily rotated FA Cup side. tl;dr if you get relegated it's because you were shit for a season, not for a couple of games. Makes you glad that we didn't win the FA Cup against Man City - otherwise we'd have got relegated  |
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