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Post by mermaidsal on Sept 16, 2017 20:21:02 GMT
I was really looking forward to this, for 15 minutes I didn't see why not... but then we just weren't there through the middle of the game and when we got it back, a surprisingly good Toon side had taken advantage so it was too late. I was fine with the starting XI, and I'm not suddenly taking back any of last week's positives - we were recognisably the same Stoke, we just didn't know where to find the extra resolve and play it ugly enough and neither. A teething troubles day for Sparky more than anything is how I'm feeling.
6 from me
add * if you were there please
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 16, 2017 20:27:48 GMT
7 from me. Yes, he's the boss, but holy cow, who can make allowance for the crappy, ("loose" as Hughes put it in interview), over-confident, sloppy gifting of the ball to the opposition. Good Grief Stoke! It's hard enough to score without you playing as though you have the divine right not to be tackled/have the ball intercepted.
But Hughes set the team up well, kept them motivated enough to get them back in it and on another day (when people make sure of their passes) we would have won it!
Please please, give us the Arsenal performance next week.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 16, 2017 23:12:22 GMT
Last week Newcastle won with a Lascelles header off a corner.
This week we let him do the same thing.
Newcastle are a bunch of championship plodders. Very poor result.
2/10
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 16, 2017 23:56:32 GMT
Heart warming start to the season on the whole. Today was shocking at times, but injuries, new clientele etc and that game still could have gone either way.
I will mention this for the 100th time though, why the feck did we not get a Right sided defender in the window. This is Hughes though and I think he is the most bizarre manager we have had for sometime. I really did think Diouf was a temp thing, but I think Hughes actually has him down for the job full-time, if so a shocking decision on his behalf, but what do I know and Hughes always seems to come good for us, so long may it continue.
6/10
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 17, 2017 0:04:16 GMT
Started the obvious 11, maybe could have made the changes earlier, let down by the players, 7.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 17, 2017 7:44:15 GMT
5* Too much reminded me of last season at times , we looked sloppy for large parts of the first half as Newcastle exposed our back 3 system far too easily . We did improve second half and showed lots of commitment and created good chances but yet another poor set play goal did for us . Again today it appeared to be a manager that studies the small details beating one who seems not to . The good thing was the spirit in the team to the end and Choupo in particular should have scored but Joselu could have had a hat trick for them
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 17, 2017 7:51:23 GMT
5 for me - as above, too many last season flashbacks for my liking - picked the right team but couldn't get them to deliver despite holding our own v Utd and Arsenal - is it a motivation thing or just an away-from-home mental blockage I dunno - wasn't "there" but watched whole match - that all,said, Chopper and Diouf could have easily rescued the point - can't really blame Hughes for sitter-missing.......
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Post by wuzza on Sept 17, 2017 7:55:16 GMT
5. As per the other comments - when will we ever learn?
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Sept 17, 2017 8:01:22 GMT
Last week Newcastle won with a Lascelles header off a corner. This week we let him do the same thing. Newcastle are a bunch of championship plodders. Very poor result. 2/10 And that is Hughes's fault because?? They practised it in training the players didnt do it on the day.
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Post by fca47 on Sept 17, 2017 8:03:46 GMT
5 - Anyone who had seen the other away games shouldn't have been surprised. We can't defend or attack effectively.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 17, 2017 8:05:49 GMT
Last week Newcastle won with a Lascelles header off a corner. This week we let him do the same thing. Newcastle are a bunch of championship plodders. Very poor result. 2/10 They'd also won their previous two games and have a very good (if slightly overrated) manager. We don't have a divine right to go to these places and turn teams over. The performance was poor but Hughes picked the strongest team at his disposal, he might have changed things earlier but his subs when he made them were the right ones and made an impact, and despite being pretty bad we created chances. 7.
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 17, 2017 8:18:10 GMT
6. We were very comfortable before the first goal, and than (first few minutes aside) strong in the scond half until we decided to switch off for a corner.
Overall the game exposed the problem with 3-4-3 and the players available. None of the strikers really suit the system; Jese barely featured yesterday. Choupo seems much better coming from wide positions and whilst Diouf looked effective when he was moved upfront we all know he doesn't really have the touch to join the passing football that Hughes wants to play.
Yesterday Hughes picked a team that was outstanding againt Man Utd. He made changes that made sense (Diuof and Crouch up top) but probably did this 10 minutes too late.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 17, 2017 8:22:25 GMT
3. No Ramadan. Jese as lone striker. Strange rejigging of forward line. A bit cack, but not helped by players.
A blip, methinks.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Sept 17, 2017 8:24:22 GMT
3. No Ramadan. Jese as lone striker. Strange rejigging of forward line. A bit cack, but not helped by players. A blip, methinks. Ramadan was awful when he came on, what has he done to be included at the start?? May be a good player in the future, but certainly not worth a place at the moment.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 17, 2017 8:24:40 GMT
3. No Ramadan. Jese as lone striker. Strange rejigging of forward line. A bit cack, but not helped by players. A blip, methinks. The first three apply to last week as well Tricky. Did you score him three for that one as well?
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Post by Cast no shadow on Sept 17, 2017 8:27:23 GMT
6, he isnt the one misplacing 5 yard passes. Players more to blame.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 17, 2017 8:27:33 GMT
6. We were very comfortable before the first goal, and than (first few minutes aside) strong in the scond half until we decided to switch off for a corner. Overall the game exposed the problem with 3-4-3 and the players available. None of the strikers really suit the system; Jese barely featured yesterday. Choupo seems much better coming from wide positions and whilst Diouf looked effective when he was moved upfront we all know he doesn't really have the touch to join the passing football that Hughes wants to play. Yesterday Hughes picked a team that was outstanding againt Man Utd. He made changes that made sense (Diuof and Crouch up top) but probably did this 10 minutes too late. Good post. I actually think we should pick horses for courses teams and this was a game for Crouch and Diouf up front from the start. They make up for each others deficiencies, if you like.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 17, 2017 8:30:25 GMT
3. No Ramadan. Jese as lone striker. Strange rejigging of forward line. A bit cack, but not helped by players. A blip, methinks. The first three apply to last week as well Tricky. Did you score him three for that one as well? No. As I said in another post, it's horses for courses. 3 might be harsh, but I am suffering from insomnia and my judgement is even fuzzier than usual!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 17, 2017 8:32:57 GMT
The first three apply to last week as well Tricky. Did you score him three for that one as well? No. As I said in another post, it's horses for courses. 3 might be harsh, but I am suffering from insomnia and my judgement is even fuzzier than usual! I think there are times when horses for courses is the right move (it's a no brainer to go 'old Stoke' against Liverpool for example), but if you do that every week you end up not having an identity of your own. Which was a big part of the problem last season.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 17, 2017 8:33:58 GMT
3. No Ramadan. Jese as lone striker. Strange rejigging of forward line. A bit cack, but not helped by players. A blip, methinks. Ramadan was awful when he came on, what has he done to be included at the start?? May be a good player in the future, but certainly not worth a place at the moment. As much as Jese did yesterday. Ramadan needs minutes on the pitch. Hughes didn't play him when he was effective.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 17, 2017 8:36:20 GMT
No. As I said in another post, it's horses for courses. 3 might be harsh, but I am suffering from insomnia and my judgement is even fuzzier than usual! I think there are times when horses for courses is the right move (it's a no brainer to go 'old Stoke' against Liverpool for example), but if you do that every week you end up not having an identity of your own. Which was a big part of the problem last season. I'm not saying change it every week, just for the odd game. Think Royland made a good point earlier in that regard.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Sept 17, 2017 8:36:42 GMT
Ramadan was awful when he came on, what has he done to be included at the start?? May be a good player in the future, but certainly not worth a place at the moment. As much as Jese did yesterday. Ramadan needs minutes on the pitch. Hughes didn't play him when he was effective. Jese did more on his debut than Sohbi has done since he has been here. Jese needs time with his child, but Sohbi isnt the replacement. I would play Berahino. Hes done nothing either but he has proved he can do it in the past. Sohbi needs to buckle down and show that he can do it when he comes on.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 17, 2017 8:37:01 GMT
I think there are times when horses for courses is the right move (it's a no brainer to go 'old Stoke' against Liverpool for example), but if you do that every week you end up not having an identity of your own. Which was a big part of the problem last season. I'm not saying change it every week, just for the odd game. Think Royland made a good point earlier in that regard. The problems yesterday were at the back far more than they were going forward.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 17, 2017 8:39:58 GMT
I'm not saying change it every week, just for the odd game. Think Royland made a good point earlier in that regard. The problems yesterday were at the back far more than they were going forward. True, which was the biggest shock and disappointment.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 17, 2017 8:44:47 GMT
As much as Jese did yesterday. Ramadan needs minutes on the pitch. Hughes didn't play him when he was effective. Jese did more on his debut than Sohbi has done since he has been here. Jese needs time with his child, but Sohbi isnt the replacement. I would play Berahino. Hes done nothing either but he has proved he can do it in the past. Sohbi needs to buckle down and show that he can do it when he comes on. Ramadan has been good at times, certainly more often than Saido. I agree with you on not giving up on him, though. I refuse to believe he is suddenly shit, he was brilliant a couple of years back. In fairness to Hughes, he can't play them all!
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Post by penkvillepotter on Sept 17, 2017 8:56:35 GMT
Pointless thread, we win he gets 10, we lose and someone is giving him a 2.
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Post by hchpotter on Sept 17, 2017 9:49:14 GMT
3*
We conceded from a corner last week. Lascelles scored from a corner last week. Did we plan for that eventuality during the week? Didn't look like it.
What is our best attacking line-up? Hughes certainly doesn't seem to know. Where is the expensive Berahino in the pecking order? Behind Jesé, Choupo, Crouch and Diouf it seems.
Is Diouf a right wing back?
Do we have the players to play Hughes' preferred system?
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Sept 17, 2017 20:34:33 GMT
3 the first goal looked a carbon copy of the Rodriguez goal v WBA, the second was a goal from another set piece scored by a player who scored from a corner last week, what are we doing in training to cut out these costly errors? Only 2 subs used again and we're chasing the game with a multi million pound striker sitting on the bench. Gouranga.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 17, 2017 21:34:24 GMT
5* The blame for the poor preparation has to be laid squarely at the feet of the manager. They came out sluggish and not really up for it. Two many poor passes and no movement off the ball.
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Post by PB1863 on Sept 17, 2017 22:26:05 GMT
How can you blame Hughes for that performance? He at least tried to motivate them at half time. The only outfield player who played well was Fletcher. Hughes 7/10
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