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Post by miggo on Mar 22, 2019 22:28:13 GMT
I really really want Vale to go down. I don't want them to go bust. Smurthwaite is an absolute tosser. This. Regardless of rivalries no football club should go bust due to a venomous owner. Rivalries make football what they are and it would be a sad day for Stoke on Trent should the worst happen.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 23, 2019 3:52:13 GMT
Smurthwaite is talking shyte. He wouldn't have the bollox to withdraw all his money. He's just making headlines for himself
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Post by colinroberts1 on Mar 23, 2019 5:50:28 GMT
Administration then 🤔🤔?
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Post by santy on Mar 23, 2019 6:40:30 GMT
I really really want Vale to go down. I don't want them to go bust. Smurthwaite is an absolute tosser. There's no vindictive element to it all for me, but for the future benefit of Stoke I would be happy to see it happen. The council has often struggled to tread a line between the two clubs, and its attempts to help Vale after cries of harshly being treated ended up with the council losing quite a bit of money. Most clubs end up in administration due to being overly ambitious, or as a legacy of being in the premier league and being unable to sustain the wage bill post relegation but Vale could well be looking at needing their 3rd reset in just over 15 years. So personally for me, it enhances the prospects of the city to only have to support one club. I don't understand where the Vale fans thought this was heading however. They're aggressively trying to oust an owner who they're financially dependent upon. It's usually the case that debts are hidden in accounts rather than added on. You can't really say we want you out of our club, but we also want you to take the hit financially and we want you to make it a clean slate for a new owner. They're basically asking for Norman to take the hit of administration personally, rather than doing it formally. He's probably realising that he's going to lose out on his few million tied up in the club in loans no matter what. However, putting the club in administration means he can make it back through stadium rent revenue. Sometimes in football it doesn't work out, but he seems to have given it a go. Tried some outside the box thinking with Bruno Ribeiro. Brought in a fan favourite in Neil Aspin. It's been a case of trying things and they haven't worked, maybe because he doesn't have the right mind for it but it's hardly been the epitome of vindictive ownership. As I've said before, who can possibly own Port Vale? If you put in money, bankroll them to the tune of millions, the fans aren't happy for the financial stability. If its not met with results, which no one can guarantee, within 5 years they will have turned aggressively against you. They're the only club in my memory that I know has turned on fan ownership, twice. Ousting one chairman and then the other having to put it in administration. Their only hope is that Robbie Williams fancies pissing some money away, before they turn on him too when it doesn't end up the way they want. I've also said, they're a club that's been at war with itself for so long now, going back to at least the mid 90's that the fans know nothing else. The only thing the fanbase can ever seemingly unite around is trying to financially starve owners out of the club. Where's the future in that?
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Post by waffles on Mar 23, 2019 7:57:47 GMT
I really really want Vale to go down. I don't want them to go bust. Smurthwaite is an absolute tosser. There's no vindictive element to it all for me, but for the future benefit of Stoke I would be happy to see it happen. The council has often struggled to tread a line between the two clubs, and its attempts to help Vale after cries of harshly being treated ended up with the council losing quite a bit of money. Most clubs end up in administration due to being overly ambitious, or as a legacy of being in the premier league and being unable to sustain the wage bill post relegation but Vale could well be looking at needing their 3rd reset in just over 15 years. So personally for me, it enhances the prospects of the city to only have to support one club. I don't understand where the Vale fans thought this was heading however. They're aggressively trying to oust an owner who they're financially dependent upon. It's usually the case that debts are hidden in accounts rather than added on. You can't really say we want you out of our club, but we also want you to take the hit financially and we want you to make it a clean slate for a new owner. They're basically asking for Norman to take the hit of administration personally, rather than doing it formally. He's probably realising that he's going to lose out on his few million tied up in the club in loans no matter what. However, putting the club in administration means he can make it back through stadium rent revenue. Sometimes in football it doesn't work out, but he seems to have given it a go. Tried some outside the box thinking with Bruno Ribeiro. Brought in a fan favourite in Neil Aspin. It's been a case of trying things and they haven't worked, maybe because he doesn't have the right mind for it but it's hardly been the epitome of vindictive ownership. As I've said before, who can possibly own Port Vale? If you put in money, bankroll them to the tune of millions, the fans aren't happy for the financial stability. If its not met with results, which no one can guarantee, within 5 years they will have turned aggressively against you. They're the only club in my memory that I know has turned on fan ownership, twice. Ousting one chairman and then the other having to put it in administration. Their only hope is that Robbie Williams fancies pissing some money away, before they turn on him too when it doesn't end up the way they want. I've also said, they're a club that's been at war with itself for so long now, going back to at least the mid 90's that the fans know nothing else. The only thing the fanbase can ever seemingly unite around is trying to financially starve owners out of the club. Where's the future in that? Enjoyed reading that
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Post by werrington on Mar 23, 2019 8:23:33 GMT
I really really want Vale to go down. I don't want them to go bust. Smurthwaite is an absolute tosser. There's no vindictive element to it all for me, but for the future benefit of Stoke I would be happy to see it happen. The council has often struggled to tread a line between the two clubs, and its attempts to help Vale after cries of harshly being treated ended up with the council losing quite a bit of money. Most clubs end up in administration due to being overly ambitious, or as a legacy of being in the premier league and being unable to sustain the wage bill post relegation but Vale could well be looking at needing their 3rd reset in just over 15 years. So personally for me, it enhances the prospects of the city to only have to support one club. I don't understand where the Vale fans thought this was heading however. They're aggressively trying to oust an owner who they're financially dependent upon. It's usually the case that debts are hidden in accounts rather than added on. You can't really say we want you out of our club, but we also want you to take the hit financially and we want you to make it a clean slate for a new owner. They're basically asking for Norman to take the hit of administration personally, rather than doing it formally. He's probably realising that he's going to lose out on his few million tied up in the club in loans no matter what. However, putting the club in administration means he can make it back through stadium rent revenue. Sometimes in football it doesn't work out, but he seems to have given it a go. Tried some outside the box thinking with Bruno Ribeiro. Brought in a fan favourite in Neil Aspin. It's been a case of trying things and they haven't worked, maybe because he doesn't have the right mind for it but it's hardly been the epitome of vindictive ownership. As I've said before, who can possibly own Port Vale? If you put in money, bankroll them to the tune of millions, the fans aren't happy for the financial stability. If its not met with results, which no one can guarantee, within 5 years they will have turned aggressively against you. They're the only club in my memory that I know has turned on fan ownership, twice. Ousting one chairman and then the other having to put it in administration. Their only hope is that Robbie Williams fancies pissing some money away, before they turn on him too when it doesn't end up the way they want. I've also said, they're a club that's been at war with itself for so long now, going back to at least the mid 90's that the fans know nothing else. The only thing the fanbase can ever seemingly unite around is trying to financially starve owners out of the club. Where's the future in that? They’ve hounded out Bell,Valiant 2001 and are now trying it with Smurthwaite Couple that with they’ve hounded out Horton and their so called legends Foyle, Glover and other managers including Sinnott and openly embraced the racist Jim Gannon who spat at and verbally abused a player from this very city The rot set in when they saw Bell and Horton off but as somebody who was quite sympathetic towards them and their plight the shit and vitriol that came our way after that night last December they’ve lost every last ounce of it from me Finish the job Norman lad
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Mar 23, 2019 10:15:34 GMT
The Norman Smurthwaite Show.
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Post by sheds1862 on Mar 23, 2019 10:32:25 GMT
There's no vindictive element to it all for me, but for the future benefit of Stoke I would be happy to see it happen. The council has often struggled to tread a line between the two clubs, and its attempts to help Vale after cries of harshly being treated ended up with the council losing quite a bit of money. Most clubs end up in administration due to being overly ambitious, or as a legacy of being in the premier league and being unable to sustain the wage bill post relegation but Vale could well be looking at needing their 3rd reset in just over 15 years. So personally for me, it enhances the prospects of the city to only have to support one club. I don't understand where the Vale fans thought this was heading however. They're aggressively trying to oust an owner who they're financially dependent upon. It's usually the case that debts are hidden in accounts rather than added on. You can't really say we want you out of our club, but we also want you to take the hit financially and we want you to make it a clean slate for a new owner. They're basically asking for Norman to take the hit of administration personally, rather than doing it formally. He's probably realising that he's going to lose out on his few million tied up in the club in loans no matter what. However, putting the club in administration means he can make it back through stadium rent revenue. Sometimes in football it doesn't work out, but he seems to have given it a go. Tried some outside the box thinking with Bruno Ribeiro. Brought in a fan favourite in Neil Aspin. It's been a case of trying things and they haven't worked, maybe because he doesn't have the right mind for it but it's hardly been the epitome of vindictive ownership. As I've said before, who can possibly own Port Vale? If you put in money, bankroll them to the tune of millions, the fans aren't happy for the financial stability. If its not met with results, which no one can guarantee, within 5 years they will have turned aggressively against you. They're the only club in my memory that I know has turned on fan ownership, twice. Ousting one chairman and then the other having to put it in administration. Their only hope is that Robbie Williams fancies pissing some money away, before they turn on him too when it doesn't end up the way they want. I've also said, they're a club that's been at war with itself for so long now, going back to at least the mid 90's that the fans know nothing else. The only thing the fanbase can ever seemingly unite around is trying to financially starve owners out of the club. Where's the future in that? They’ve hounded out Bell,Valiant 2001 and are now trying it with Smurthwaite Couple that with they’ve hounded out Horton and their so called legends Foyle, Glover and other managers including Sinnott and openly embraced the racist Jim Gannon who spat at and verbally abused a player from this very city The rot set in when they saw Bell and Horton off but as somebody who was quite sympathetic towards them and their plight the shit and vitriol that came our way after that night last December they’ve lost every last ounce of it from me Finish the job Norman lad Good post but don't agree about December. Those vermin and caveman brought shame on our club. I'm all for rivalries and if a few fisticuffs ensues fair enough but trashing bogs and bouncing on cars was deserving of vitriol was it not ?
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Post by werrington on Mar 23, 2019 10:42:16 GMT
They’ve hounded out Bell,Valiant 2001 and are now trying it with Smurthwaite Couple that with they’ve hounded out Horton and their so called legends Foyle, Glover and other managers including Sinnott and openly embraced the racist Jim Gannon who spat at and verbally abused a player from this very city The rot set in when they saw Bell and Horton off but as somebody who was quite sympathetic towards them and their plight the shit and vitriol that came our way after that night last December they’ve lost every last ounce of it from me Finish the job Norman lad Good post but don't agree about December. Those vermin and caveman brought shame on our club. I'm all for rivalries and if a few fisticuffs ensues fair enough but trashing bogs and bouncing on cars was deserving of vitriol was it not ? That wasn’t my point mate I used to post on OVF and tried to discuss it but their holier than thou approach to it was beyond the pale, they totally tried to air brush their big hooligan element under the carpet and make out they are a family club
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Post by sheds1862 on Mar 23, 2019 10:49:26 GMT
Well that's clearly bollocks as Wolves , Sheff Utd , Grimsby etc proves.
The only thing I'll add is that I sense from one or two posts on here with this ' one city club ' thing.
Do these people think that if Vale fold then suddenly 1000 or so will jump ship to support us ? Absolutely laughable , and if and it's a big if , those people are clearly not true football supporters.
It won't happen anyway, I've heard the name Leeds City in maybe the early 1900's but I don't think many clubs have actually folded ?
Rushden and Diamonds and Scarborough possibly ?
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Post by lordb on Mar 23, 2019 10:53:09 GMT
Well that's clearly bollocks as Wolves , Sheff Utd , Grimsby etc proves. The only thing I'll add is that I sense from one or two posts on here with this ' one city club ' thing. Do these people think that if Vale fold then suddenly 1000 or so will jump ship to support us ? Absolutely laughable , and if and it's a big if , those people are clearly not true football supporters. It won't happen anyway, I've heard the name Leeds City in maybe the early 1900's but I don't think many clubs have actually folded ? Rushden and Diamonds and Scarborough possibly ? Bradford Park Avenue fans didn't start supporting Bradford City when they went bust...but their kids did. If Vale went bust no doubt it would be Stokes' fault.
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Post by Gods on Mar 23, 2019 11:04:14 GMT
I've not really been following this but if B&G are successful in 'removing' Mr. Smurthwaite do they have a Plan B?
Who would take on and service the on-going debt?
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Post by silsdenstokie on Mar 23, 2019 12:33:49 GMT
I've not really been following this but if B&G are successful in 'removing' Mr. Smurthwaite do they have a Plan B? Who would take on and service the on-going debt? Think they are basing their hopes on the owners of Synectics.....the firm based right next to the sty. Think they had an offer turned down the other week
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 23, 2019 12:35:34 GMT
I've not really been following this but if B&G are successful in 'removing' Mr. Smurthwaite do they have a Plan B? Who would take on and service the on-going debt? The Council.
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Post by flea79 on Mar 23, 2019 12:53:16 GMT
I've not really been following this but if B&G are successful in 'removing' Mr. Smurthwaite do they have a Plan B? Who would take on and service the on-going debt? the firm based right next to the sty.
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Post by march4 on Mar 23, 2019 12:56:54 GMT
There's no vindictive element to it all for me, but for the future benefit of Stoke I would be happy to see it happen. The council has often struggled to tread a line between the two clubs, and its attempts to help Vale after cries of harshly being treated ended up with the council losing quite a bit of money. Most clubs end up in administration due to being overly ambitious, or as a legacy of being in the premier league and being unable to sustain the wage bill post relegation but Vale could well be looking at needing their 3rd reset in just over 15 years. So personally for me, it enhances the prospects of the city to only have to support one club. I don't understand where the Vale fans thought this was heading however. They're aggressively trying to oust an owner who they're financially dependent upon. It's usually the case that debts are hidden in accounts rather than added on. You can't really say we want you out of our club, but we also want you to take the hit financially and we want you to make it a clean slate for a new owner. They're basically asking for Norman to take the hit of administration personally, rather than doing it formally. He's probably realising that he's going to lose out on his few million tied up in the club in loans no matter what. However, putting the club in administration means he can make it back through stadium rent revenue. Sometimes in football it doesn't work out, but he seems to have given it a go. Tried some outside the box thinking with Bruno Ribeiro. Brought in a fan favourite in Neil Aspin. It's been a case of trying things and they haven't worked, maybe because he doesn't have the right mind for it but it's hardly been the epitome of vindictive ownership. As I've said before, who can possibly own Port Vale? If you put in money, bankroll them to the tune of millions, the fans aren't happy for the financial stability. If its not met with results, which no one can guarantee, within 5 years they will have turned aggressively against you. They're the only club in my memory that I know has turned on fan ownership, twice. Ousting one chairman and then the other having to put it in administration. Their only hope is that Robbie Williams fancies pissing some money away, before they turn on him too when it doesn't end up the way they want. I've also said, they're a club that's been at war with itself for so long now, going back to at least the mid 90's that the fans know nothing else. The only thing the fanbase can ever seemingly unite around is trying to financially starve owners out of the club. Where's the future in that? They’ve hounded out Bell,Valiant 2001 and are now trying it with Smurthwaite Couple that with they’ve hounded out Horton and their so called legends Foyle, Glover and other managers including Sinnott and openly embraced the racist Jim Gannon who spat at and verbally abused a player from this very city The rot set in when they saw Bell and Horton off but as somebody who was quite sympathetic towards them and their plight the shit and vitriol that came our way after that night last December they’ve lost every last ounce of it from me Finish the job Norman lad They hounded out Rudge for not getting them to the Prem. That was the beginning of the end.
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Post by marylandstoke on Mar 23, 2019 13:21:03 GMT
I've not really been following this but if B&G are successful in 'removing' Mr. Smurthwaite do they have a Plan B? Who would take on and service the on-going debt? Think they are basing their hopes on the owners of Synectics.....the firm based right next to the sty. Think they had an offer turned down the other week Synectics have offered three and a half mill but in three payments. Smurf wants 5 mill and only in a single payment.
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Post by mattador78 on Mar 23, 2019 13:28:34 GMT
What they are all forgetting is smurf has said he will sell the club but not the ground. Think he has them now under two separate entities anyway, they can force him out of the ownership but he would still hold them by the bollocks as their landlord. Potentially a Coventry situation all over again,but Coventry have been able hold out longer by virtue of being a bigger club when it started going tits up. It doesn’t bode well for the vale unless they get a benefactor on par with us with the Coates family, even Robbie doesn’t have the cash to indefinitely bank role them, even Elton John couldn’t keep Watford going and had to sell up. For me I have a decent chunk of my family who are soap dodgers so I don’t want to see them fold as at least they supported one of their local teams instead of the Shit, Arse or the Victims like some of the glory hunting bastards I grew up with. They have never been more than mid table division 3 in old money as an adverage, so our fall to their level and then rise back to the big time really raised their expectations as to what they could do.
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Post by wrighter on Mar 23, 2019 13:42:05 GMT
I think its disgusting that people want to see a club go into administration, or get relegated to the lower echions of football leagues.
oh, hang on,are we are talking about the unwashed in Burslem are we ?
Sorry
F*ck off Vale
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Post by Dutchpeter on Mar 23, 2019 13:47:24 GMT
Well that's clearly bollocks as Wolves , Sheff Utd , Grimsby etc proves. The only thing I'll add is that I sense from one or two posts on here with this ' one city club ' thing. Do these people think that if Vale fold then suddenly 1000 or so will jump ship to support us ? Absolutely laughable , and if and it's a big if , those people are clearly not true football supporters. It won't happen anyway, I've heard the name Leeds City in maybe the early 1900's but I don't think many clubs have actually folded ? Rushden and Diamonds and Scarborough possibly ? During our premier league tenure, I’ve seen a few Vale fans at matches at the Britannia. One even said he had a season ticket as his kids support Stoke. If they went to the wall you wouldn’t have a ‘crowd dividend’ but you’d got first dibs on the next generation. Incidentally, one thing that wound me up about Vale fans back in the day was that many of them had a premier league team as second team. They’d be banging on about Vale at work to you while wearing an Everton/Arsenal/etc shirt.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 23, 2019 14:07:42 GMT
I really really want Vale to go down. I don't want them to go bust. Smurthwaite is an absolute tosser. This. Regardless of rivalries no football club should go bust due to a venomous owner. Rivalries make football what they are and it would be a sad day for Stoke on Trent should the worst happen. Will it balls. The Vile are a drain and an embarrassment to Stoke-on-Trent. They don't even put the name of the city on their merchandise, it's 'Port Vale, Burslem, England'. If Vile go to the wall it will increase Stoke's support in years to come. Let them rot.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 23, 2019 14:11:48 GMT
They’ve hounded out Bell,Valiant 2001 and are now trying it with Smurthwaite Couple that with they’ve hounded out Horton and their so called legends Foyle, Glover and other managers including Sinnott and openly embraced the racist Jim Gannon who spat at and verbally abused a player from this very city The rot set in when they saw Bell and Horton off but as somebody who was quite sympathetic towards them and their plight the shit and vitriol that came our way after that night last December they’ve lost every last ounce of it from me Finish the job Norman lad Good post but don't agree about December. Those vermin and caveman brought shame on our club. I'm all for rivalries and if a few fisticuffs ensues fair enough but trashing bogs and bouncing on cars was deserving of vitriol was it not ? They caused damage at The Brit last time their pox-ridden 'supporters' were there. What goes around comes around. The irony being if sinks had been smashed in the home stands, no-one would notice as the bastards don't wash.
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Post by werrington on Mar 23, 2019 14:55:40 GMT
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Post by lordb on Mar 23, 2019 14:59:37 GMT
Can only think he's trying to flush out a higher bid from Synetic.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 15:00:10 GMT
Can only think he's trying to flush out a higher bid from Synetic. Beat me to it. That is exactly what he is doing.
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Post by lordb on Mar 23, 2019 15:04:05 GMT
Can only think he's trying to flush out a higher bid from Synetic. Beat me to it. That is exactly what he is doing. Puts them in a hard place, the I'd he turned down was way above what anyone else would be offering but a they are genuine fans he's trying to tug at their heartstrings. I think he's bullshitting.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 23, 2019 15:22:00 GMT
Beat me to it. That is exactly what he is doing. Puts them in a hard place, the I'd he turned down was way above what anyone else would be offering but a they are genuine fans he's trying to tug at their heartstrings. I think he's bullshitting. And if he does that won’t he lose the money already invested? Sounds like s spurious threat to me
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Post by lordb on Mar 23, 2019 16:04:22 GMT
Puts them in a hard place, the I'd he turned down was way above what anyone else would be offering but a they are genuine fans he's trying to tug at their heartstrings. I think he's bullshitting. And if he does that won’t he lose the money already invested? Sounds like s spurious threat to me Typical Smurthwaite then
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Post by mattador78 on Mar 23, 2019 16:21:34 GMT
Stop me if I’m wrong here if someone knows better. Am I right in saying that vale park can only be used for sport while vale are still a football club? If so if vale disappears which as the owner he’s quite able to wind them up, then would he be able to sell the land for development? Or is that me being a bit cynical and unaware of all of the facts
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Post by thevoid on Mar 23, 2019 16:41:03 GMT
Can only think he's trying to flush out a higher bid from Synetic. I think Fred from High Lane's had three places on a Lucky 15....
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