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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 13:39:42 GMT
Cowardly scum. May they rot in hell.
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Post by StokieNath on Aug 18, 2017 13:58:07 GMT
Europe is full of these cunts. they enter illegally then sponge on the state while plotting to harm us. all Europe should round up anybody who looks "dodgy" if they cant prove that they have a right to be here then send them back to Somalia or whatever shithole of a country they have come from. bleeding liberals? kiss my arse That's the problem. How do you fight an enemy who doesn't stand out from the crowd? Mass immigration has insured that they don't. We have let people into Europe who have no affinity with it's values. A percentage of them actively hate us. I would say the MAJORITY hate us. RIP Europe.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 18, 2017 14:19:25 GMT
That's the problem. How do you fight an enemy who doesn't stand out from the crowd? Mass immigration has insured that they don't. We have let people into Europe who have no affinity with it's values. A percentage of them actively hate us. I would say the MAJORITY hate us. RIP Europe. Let's return the love.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 19, 2017 8:08:55 GMT
Remembering them all 😥😥
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Post by conzdad on Aug 19, 2017 8:50:16 GMT
What gets me is they say they kill in the name of religion. I bet a majority of people they murder or maim don't give a shit about religion. Just shut ALL borders weed them out and eradicate them. Bollox to the Human rights and PC brigade.What about the human rights of all the innocent people affected by these cowardly attacks.
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Post by stillgame4it on Aug 19, 2017 9:30:29 GMT
It's a pity we can't convince North Korea that the Muzzies are their enemy (not the Americans), that would kill 2 birds with 1 stone
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Aug 20, 2017 12:32:04 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 20, 2017 12:32:04 GMT
Some thought provoking comments in the " comments section " of this article.....Spain being economically poor is a target for being "bought" by Qatar......As we know,Southern Spain was once Muslim.....does it matter if it was to become so again , in this politically correct multi- cultural world?...what a legacy that we are leaving for our children. www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/manhunt-for-killer-as-spain-recovers-from-barcelona-attack-v6qxdtqndFrom the article: Driss Oukabir’s brother, Moussa, on the other hand, appears to have made a recent trip to Morocco and police sources speculate that he may have gone to “pay his farewells” to his Moroccan family, knowing that he might die in the planned attack. When Moussa was initially identified as a suspect, scrutiny of his online activity showed that he responded to a question on the social media site Kiwi by replying that he wanted to “kill the unbelievers and leave only Muslims who follow their religion”. And about immigration, Islam and terrorism; "Yet those who knew him in Ripoll variously described him as “a nice, normal boy” who spoke good Spanish and whose family was “not particularly religious”. Despite the group’s suspected link to Satty, Moussa appears not to have frequented the local mosque. Spain in recent years has experienced a surge in immigration from north Africa and there are now estimated to be at least 250 mosques in Catalonia alone. It has all left a sour taste for Catalan social workers who have battled to integrate north African youths. “In this town we gave them a lot of help,” said a worker for Caritas, a Catholic charity. “We didn’t only give them food, clothing and fuel for the winter — there are volunteers who help them with their studies so they don’t fall behind. Why would anyone do that now?” "
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 20, 2017 13:31:08 GMT
Saying on the radio news that the CIA warned Barcelona to be on the alert just recently regarding the possibility of something happening. Apparently it explains the rapid police response because they were there already and have been for a while. Of course there's no details. It's a city with a bigger population than Manc & Brum put together. Surely they would have the resources anyway to deal with this kind of thing...
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 20, 2017 13:53:12 GMT
Saying on the radio news that the CIA warned Barcelona to be on the alert just recently regarding the possibility of something happening. Apparently it explains the rapid police response because they were there already and have been for a while. Of course there's no details. It's a city with a bigger population than Manc & Brum put together. Surely they would have the resources anyway to deal with this kind of thing... Part of the reason that nothing was done is the reluctance to " put up concrete barriers" to spoil the Ramblas experience. I can understand the thinking...but is this what we have to look forward to, now, as a defence against terror? Increased physical security? Or is the answer an attempt at pro active preventative measures? Hope you and your family are Ok.
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Post by serpico on Aug 20, 2017 14:33:10 GMT
I know it would be virtually impossible to apply, but its a shame their isn't a law that would punish the attackers family after one of their offspring has carried out an attack. If you're a dog owner and your dog gets loose and kills/attacks a bunch of people you can be liable, why not the same for humans ? one of the attackers was 18, the families of these people should be held to account, maybe not to the extent that Trump suggested but punished non the less, might act as a deterrent to some extent if the attacker knows his family will be punished when he's carried out his mission.
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Post by felonious on Aug 20, 2017 14:37:18 GMT
I know it would be virtually impossible to apply, but its a shame their isn't a law that would punish the attackers family after one of their offspring has carried out an attack. If you're a dog owner and your dog gets loose and kills/attacks a bunch of people you can be liable, why not the same for humans ? one of the attackers was 18, the families of these people should be held to account, maybe not to the extent that Trump suggested but punished non the less, might act as a deterrent to some extent if the attacker knows his family will be punished when he's carried out his mission. Have you ever tried to exert control on an 18 year old male offspring?
I think I lost control of mine at about 4
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 20, 2017 14:41:16 GMT
When does " asylum seeking" become " economic migration" or/ and an invasion. There are different ways to " invade" a country. Hitler knew the power of propoganda/ controlling the media / minds and free speech. The use of Trojan Horses is a well known technique. Moroccan Isis terrorists ‘pose a threat on Europe’s doorstep’ www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/20/spain-terror-attacks-isis-morocco?CMPHundreds of returned jihadists across the Strait of Gibraltar who intelligence officials fear pose a large, residual threat on Europe’s doorstep. Up to 1,000 jihadists are thought to have been smuggled back to Morocco and Tunisia from the battlefields of Islamic State’s now crumbling caliphate. About 300 are thought to have returned to Morocco, from where six of the 12 terrorists who carried out the attacks in Catalonia are believed to have hailed.
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Post by serpico on Aug 20, 2017 14:44:59 GMT
I know it would be virtually impossible to apply, but its a shame their isn't a law that would punish the attackers family after one of their offspring has carried out an attack. If you're a dog owner and your dog gets loose and kills/attacks a bunch of people you can be liable, why not the same for humans ? one of the attackers was 18, the families of these people should be held to account, maybe not to the extent that Trump suggested but punished non the less, might act as a deterrent to some extent if the attacker knows his family will be punished when he's carried out his mission. Have you ever tried to exert control on an 18 year old male offspring?
I think I lost control of mine at about 4
i'd make a distinction between normal rebelliousness and mass murder, really this is more about acting as a deterrent, if an attacker thinks his/her family would be punished he/she might think twice, the Manchester bomber was close to his mum, i believe he even rang her before carrying out the bombing ? maybe he'd have thought twice if he knew she would be held to account for it in his absence ? i'm just throwing out suggestions here, i know this is virtually a no-goer and a flawed idea, but how do you punish someone who is dead or willing to die ? very difficult.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 20, 2017 15:25:26 GMT
Have you ever tried to exert control on an 18 year old male offspring?
I think I lost control of mine at about 4
i'd make a distinction between normal rebelliousness and mass murder, really this is more about acting as a deterrent, if an attacker thinks his/her family would be punished he/she might think twice, the Manchester bomber was close to his mum, i believe he even rang her before carrying out the bombing ? maybe he'd have thought twice if he knew she would be held to account for it in his absence ? i'm just throwing out suggestions here, i know this is virtually a no-goer and a flawed idea, but how do you punish someone who is dead or willing to die ? very difficult. It's NOT the answer but for me, the following should be introduced ( somewhat unfortunately and reluctantly) as PART of the answer towards future problems....and it's only a UK solution 1 A new constitution that asserts ...first principle....freedom of speech, thought and belief two....a commitment to the UK, citizenship, democracy and the rule of law. Three...... 2 Introduce new border security force/ coast guards AND control our own borders. 3 Greatly increase Policing 4 Introduce ID cards, everyone to have a unique reference number to be produced to....gain medical treatment , get a job, benefits, housing/ renting/ mortgage.....etc, etc. 5 All religious institutions to be licenced, Inspected and REQUIREMENT to conduct assemblies only in English... A NAMED person(s) to take responsibility for their conduct with personal, criminal liability. ( Any diversionary problem of defining " religion" can easily be sorted...I could do it) 6 No postal voting....we need to tighten up on " identity" when voting. Those that REALLY cannot visit the polling stations should be visited and have their vote registered at " home" 7 Introduce some ( well thought out ) compulsory sessions into ( by law) ALL schools explaining to all children the right to believe what they want and offering support to leave any religion. ( For me.....all religions , no matter what their size, are cults/ sects / belief systems ( My age group will remember " the Children of God").......some have just grown to be dominant, some work for good, some not so much, BUT we need to inculcate some ability to THINK FOR YOURSELF ( as far as possible) 8 A root and branch examination, exposure , openess, scrutiny and transparency on " the traditional" media outlets and some close inspection/ guidelines on where it may cross a political bias/ boundary...( WHO DECIDES?/Big Brother?) 9 At least an exposure of who is controlling/ censuring the social media of Google, Facebook, You tube etc. ........... Any long term solution can only come from within the communities themselves, to work with and support those who have left or want to leave the cult......not an easy thing to do with Islam and , if I am honest, probably impossible...but it has been proven to be effective in respect of the Daesh and FGM, but very long term and slow progress. Some studies have shown that supporting " strong" women in particular in those communities have caused them to become beacons for change. Any further"measures"/ suggestions on what " we" can do?......Or do we do nothing?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 20, 2017 15:40:04 GMT
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Post by thevoid on Aug 20, 2017 15:43:20 GMT
Yet according to some 'elements' on here, people discussing these and similar events are the ones full of hate
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Aug 20, 2017 15:49:17 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 20, 2017 15:49:17 GMT
It's a city with a bigger population than Manc & Brum put together. Surely they would have the resources anyway to deal with this kind of thing... Part of the reason that nothing was done is the reluctance to " put up concrete barriers" to spoil the Ramblas experience. I can understand the thinking...but is this what we have to look forward to, now, as a defence against terror? Increased physical security? Or is the answer an attempt at pro active preventative measures? Hope you and your family are Ok. Yes thanX, We're all fine & didn't experience any of the horror, just the aftermath. HP has had them concrete blocks for years, but they could do it anywhere & lets face it the blocks up outside HP are not to protect the pubic...
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Aug 20, 2017 15:55:07 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 20, 2017 15:55:07 GMT
Part of the reason that nothing was done is the reluctance to " put up concrete barriers" to spoil the Ramblas experience. I can understand the thinking...but is this what we have to look forward to, now, as a defence against terror? Increased physical security? Or is the answer an attempt at pro active preventative measures? Hope you and your family are Ok. Yes thanX, We're all fine & didn't experience any of the horror, just the aftermath. HP has had them concrete blocks for years, but they could do it anywhere & lets face it the blocks up outside HP are not to protect the pubic... Good. I'd just read somewhere that this was the reason that the authorities decided not to put ( further) barrier in Las Ramblas
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 20, 2017 15:59:45 GMT
Yes thanX, We're all fine & didn't experience any of the horror, just the aftermath. HP has had them concrete blocks for years, but they could do it anywhere & lets face it the blocks up outside HP are not to protect the pubic... Good. I'd just read somewhere that this was the reason that the authorities decided not to put ( further) barrier in Las Ramblas I'm amazed no cnut has targeted a footie game...
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 20, 2017 16:02:13 GMT
BUT we need to inculcate some ability to THINK FOR YOURSELF BigJohn, I agree with your post but the bit I've quoted above is why it'll never happen. From the minute our children go to school untill the minute they finally leave university they're brainwashed to do as, and never question what, the establishment say. You only have to look at these 'milennials' being churned out of the system & their un-dying love for the establishment, believing every word they say, never questioning them despite all the evidence put infront of them, and of course, rounding upon & trying to silence anyone who does speak out against the establishment. No-one is illegal. We need mass immigration. Islam is the religion of peace. Refugees welcome. Diversity is our strength. We love EU.
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Aug 20, 2017 16:22:38 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 20, 2017 16:22:38 GMT
Good. I'd just read somewhere that this was the reason that the authorities decided not to put ( further) barrier in Las Ramblas I'm amazed no cnut has targeted a footie game... Good point Bath. Hard to envisage but we may have seen nothing yet. If, and it may not happen..(I don't want scaremonger, depending upon number of assailants, the success of terrorism is the fear of the unknown, the unexpected, the vulnerability and our inability to do anything for protection) .....I wanted to instil fear a coordinated attack, 2 weeks before Armistice day on say 12 small village war memorials would hit at the heart of " UK/the West" ...it does not just have to be crowds......we are really incapable of stopping this, unless we can get to the root of the priblem( I guess I am staying the bleeding obvious, Mankind....Intelligent???? .More like our own and the planet's worst enemy)
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 20, 2017 16:33:46 GMT
BUT we need to inculcate some ability to THINK FOR YOURSELF BigJohn, I agree with your post but the bit I've quoted above is why it'll never happen. From the minute our children go to school untill the minute they finally leave university they're brainwashed to do as, and never question what, the establishment say. You only have to look at these 'milennials' being churned out of the system & their un-dying love for the establishment, believing every word they say, never questioning them despite all the evidence put infront of them, and of course, rounding upon & trying to silence anyone who does speak out against the establishment. No-one is illegal. We need mass immigration. Islam is the religion of peace. Refugees welcome. Diversity is our strength. We love EU. DC What you say is entirely true, in my opinion. I work at two good Universities and I am privileged to meet regularly with many young people from a range of backgrounds.......BUT somehow I believe that " we" have got to try to do something , to fight back and " control/ influence/ scrutinise " of the Education system ( and the media) has got to be attempted. In my opinion we are in a subtle state of war and a battle for minds and hearts has got to take place.....if it can be presented honestly to the ordinary citizen ( who is usually apolitical) then the battle could start to be won...I think that only recently have people started to ask the question " What kind of man was Muhammad, this great prophet?" ..and the answer does not seem very good. "What does the Quaran ACTUALLY say?" ..again , not good....For me the answer has partly got to come through education and the media and support for those in the Muslim community who are brave enough to think differently, question and speak out. I know what you are saying DC and agree with you, but I always at least believe in trying to do something ( as I know , so do you) There is not ONE simple answer.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Aug 20, 2017 17:52:18 GMT
BigJohn, I agree with your post but the bit I've quoted above is why it'll never happen. From the minute our children go to school untill the minute they finally leave university they're brainwashed to do as, and never question what, the establishment say. You only have to look at these 'milennials' being churned out of the system & their un-dying love for the establishment, believing every word they say, never questioning them despite all the evidence put infront of them, and of course, rounding upon & trying to silence anyone who does speak out against the establishment. No-one is illegal. We need mass immigration. Islam is the religion of peace. Refugees welcome. Diversity is our strength. We love EU. DC What you say is entirely true, in my opinion. I work at two good Universities and I am privileged to meet regularly with many young people from a range of backgrounds.......BUT somehow I believe that " we" have got to try to do something , to fight back and " control/ influence/ scrutiny " of the Education system ( and the media) has got to be attempted. In my opinion we are in a subtle state of war and a battles for minds and hearts has got to take place.....if it can be presented honestly to the ordinary citizen ( who is usually apolitical) then the battle could start to be won...I think that only recently have people stated to ask the question " what kind of man was Muhammad, this great prophet?" ..and the answer does not seem very good. "What does the Quaran ACTUALLY say?" ..again , not good....For me the answer have partly got to come through education and the media and support for those in the Muslim community who are brave enough to think differently, question and speak out. I know what you are saying DC and agree with you, but I always at least believe in trying to do something ( as I know , so do you) There is not ONE simple answer. I think there is much in what you say BJR, Hopefully these societies experience something akin to the 'Enlightenment' or rise of the Scientific Tradition.Providing funding and protection for institutions courageous enough to proffer this worldview in extremist societies is imperative,(and how do you source that in societies with unfavourable regimes?) but that will take (100's of?) years and is not a Universal panacea to the problems of extremism.Tackling the biting levels of impovrishment in societies may also help reduce people's susceptibility to radical doctrine,A snake oil salesman promising paradise in the afterlife must seem quite persuasive when you only know abjection in the temporal here and now.That's my facile take on it,the answer,as you say,is inctedibly complex,way beyond my ability to conceive of it.
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Aug 20, 2017 20:44:29 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 20, 2017 20:44:29 GMT
London has become more ugly because of more barriers.
I've been a bit slow here.....but I've just realised why there are no bins at some public places, such as Piccadilly station, Manchester!
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Post by Northy on Aug 21, 2017 15:24:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 17:33:10 GMT
Another piece of shit bites the dust!
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Post by StokieNath on Aug 21, 2017 17:38:22 GMT
Another nut case dead. Why can't they simply be a peaceful Muslim and live a normal, happy life?
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 21, 2017 18:36:57 GMT
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 21, 2017 18:47:00 GMT
London has become more ugly because of more barriers. I've been a bit slow here.....but I've just realised why there are no bins at some public places, such as Piccadilly station, Manchester! The bins in London disappeared during the 80s as a result of the Harrods bombing. Still not back
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 21, 2017 20:40:05 GMT
Another piece of shit bites the dust! Has to be the way forward with these backward hearten butchers shoot to kill threat removed simple.
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