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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 16, 2017 17:43:31 GMT
Cant wait to play and "score lots of goals"... that'll do me Rodders, that'll do me!!! 'lots of goals'? Plume de ma tante! |
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Post by mattythestokie on Aug 16, 2017 17:46:15 GMT
I reckon he'll fit the free roaming left winger role well.
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Post by stokie1 on Aug 16, 2017 18:15:38 GMT
For some reason I have really bad feeling about this one!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 18:19:06 GMT
Is there an option to buy?
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Post by nonameface on Aug 16, 2017 18:35:29 GMT
Sure it's been said before, but it's really small time doing that twitter video. I'm cringing about the clubs decision to do this; literally no need, let the football do the talking.
Other than that I'm really pleased with the clubs window to date and the pre season was decent. Looking forward to the rest of the season now.
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Post by skip on Aug 16, 2017 18:37:09 GMT
Makes Stephen Ireland look a bit low rent. Superb. Stoke City - we're still the Dogs Home for Crazy Dogs to be brought to heal but now they come with a night and day matching Lambos and a penchant for 8oz snap back titfers. We fucking rule and let's let Arsenal know on Saturday. COME ON ! ! ! They`re Audi R8`s arn`t they ? Haven't a clue in reality chief, but the analogy still stands  |
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 16, 2017 19:44:23 GMT
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Aug 16, 2017 19:55:39 GMT
The announcement video is a bit cringe and ill-advised though Tells you everything about the shite the pundits talk when Paul merson says Watford is down the fucking road. How does that twat still have a job? |
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Post by Northy on Aug 16, 2017 19:59:49 GMT
watching Napoli tonight playing 4-3-3 and they are very good at going forward with pace when breaking out, if we had Eric Mama and Jese doing that it wold shit the pants off some defences we played
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 19:59:52 GMT
Has anyone told him that people are already flocking to see Stoke?
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Post by PolPotter on Aug 16, 2017 20:03:05 GMT
Too much of a gamble for me. I will sit back and watch this develop either way.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2017 20:03:51 GMT
Some fucking idiots on here Why is it cringey? It's not, its brilliant! Also, didn't we 'AGREE' to buy Bruno at the end of his loan?  Basically, PSG don't want him, nobody wants to buy him as it's such a huge risk. So what WILL happen is, if Rodriquez is a success at Stoke, we love him he loves us, we get to January, we want to sign him permanently, let PSG know we're interested in making it permanent. They talk figures... but no rush cause WE'VE GOT HIM UNTIL THE END OF THE SEASON. So, we then get to the end of the season, perhaps he's been a complete fucking revelation and tore shit up all season, thus meaning bigger clubs may come in for him, but he's spent a season with us, we may well get first dabs on him. Stoke pay circa 20 million for him, PSG get what they paid for him. everyones happy. On the flip side, he's completely toss, another Bojan post injury, and we fight relegation and hopefully survive by the skin of our teeth and Rodriquez barely starts 10 games cause we just can't fit him in ahead of Adam.  What you have to understand is that some people on this message board HAVE to be right. The argument simply has to be weighed entirely in their favour, whether it's writing players off before they've kicked a ball (and of course hoping to be proven wrong) or criticising the club's transfer dealings without having the slightest clue what problems they may have encountered in negotiations with other clubs, agents, players or other parties involved It probably hasn't even crossed their sorry, tiny minds that the player himself might not want to commit himself to a long term contract. Which begs questions about signing fly by nights who give a damn about the club and will try their best. Something levelled at Hughes at QPR. He's clearly got excellent pedigree and could be brilliant but we tried this with Fonz. We tried to replace our best player with a loanee and it failed spectacularly to the point where we still haven't replaced him. I just don't like the short termism. It wreaks of doing things half arsed and on the cheap. And it leaves players that we own and should be giving game time to further down the pecking order. |
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 16, 2017 20:18:40 GMT
What you have to understand is that some people on this message board HAVE to be right. The argument simply has to be weighed entirely in their favour, whether it's writing players off before they've kicked a ball (and of course hoping to be proven wrong) or criticising the club's transfer dealings without having the slightest clue what problems they may have encountered in negotiations with other clubs, agents, players or other parties involved It probably hasn't even crossed their sorry, tiny minds that the player himself might not want to commit himself to a long term contract. Which begs questions about signing fly by nights who give a damn about the club and will try their best. Something levelled at Hughes at QPR. He's clearly got excellent pedigree and could be brilliant but we tried this with Fonz. We tried to replace our best player with a loanee and it failed spectacularly to the point where we still haven't replaced him. I just don't like the short termism. It wreaks of doing things half arsed and on the cheap. And it leaves players that we own and should be giving game time to further down the pecking order. It is a balance - clubs below the top 6/7 now exist season to season, ensuring that every year they stay up and keep their snouts in the Premier League trough for the next one. You cannot throw Ngoy, Verlinden and Edwards in and hope they work out, then find out they didn't at Christmas when we are bottom and Hughes has lost his job. You can sometimes get players on loan at our level that you would never be able to sign permanently - which seems to be the case with Kurt and Jese. If they heighten our profile, improve our league position and make us an attractive proposition for future signings, whilst putting themselves in the shop window, then I can see the logic. Sometimes we will be able to pull off a Bruno or Shaqiri signing, but you can even see with an average player like Delph a reluctance to leave a bigger club - the money and prestige turns heads and makes it even more difficult for those a tier below like ourselves to do business. Then you get thrown a curve ball by one of your stars, who is tied down on a long term deal, that he wants to chase the money "darn sarf" and you have to revise your recruitment strategy once again. When the dust has settled on this summer's transfer dealings, I think we will end up coming out of it rather well. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 16, 2017 20:18:54 GMT
What you have to understand is that some people on this message board HAVE to be right. The argument simply has to be weighed entirely in their favour, whether it's writing players off before they've kicked a ball (and of course hoping to be proven wrong) or criticising the club's transfer dealings without having the slightest clue what problems they may have encountered in negotiations with other clubs, agents, players or other parties involved It probably hasn't even crossed their sorry, tiny minds that the player himself might not want to commit himself to a long term contract. Which begs questions about signing fly by nights who give a damn about the club and will try their best. Something levelled at Hughes at QPR. He's clearly got excellent pedigree and could be brilliant but we tried this with Fonz. We tried to replace our best player with a loanee and it failed spectacularly to the point where we still haven't replaced him. I just don't like the short termism. It wreaks of doing things half arsed and on the cheap. And it leaves players that we own and should be giving game time to further down the pecking order. Surely we want to sign players who give a damn about the club and try their best??????? |
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Post by jinxed71 on Aug 16, 2017 20:23:14 GMT
I'm happy as a pig in shit,and that ain't the end of more signings to come  |
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Post by stokie1 on Aug 16, 2017 20:29:04 GMT
After digging a bit more into this I am convinced this is a bad move. Lacked professionalism at his previous loan club, Las Palmas, because he had mixed priorities with his music career so they refused the option to sign/ continue the loan. PSG don't want him as they don't rate him, and he hasn't scored regularly since 2014 when he had a very serious knee injury. This is a highly risky move by Hughes and I would be amazed if it works out to our benefit. Looks like an even flakier version of Bojan!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2017 20:29:42 GMT
Which begs questions about signing fly by nights who give a damn about the club and will try their best. Something levelled at Hughes at QPR. He's clearly got excellent pedigree and could be brilliant but we tried this with Fonz. We tried to replace our best player with a loanee and it failed spectacularly to the point where we still haven't replaced him. I just don't like the short termism. It wreaks of doing things half arsed and on the cheap. And it leaves players that we own and should be giving game time to further down the pecking order. It is a balance - clubs below the top 6/7 now exist season to season, ensuring that every year they stay up and keep their snouts in the Premier League trough for the next one. You cannot throw Ngoy, Verlinden and Edwards in and hope they work out, then find out they didn't at Christmas when we are bottom and Hughes has lost his job. You can sometimes get players on loan at our level that you would never be able to sign permanently - which seems to be the case with Kurt and Jese. If they heighten our profile, improve our league position and make us an attractive proposition for future signings, whilst putting themselves in the shop window, then I can see the logic. Sometimes we will be able to pull off a Bruno or Shaqiri signing, but you can even see with an average player like Delph a reluctance to leave a bigger club - the money and prestige turns heads and makes it even more difficult for those a tier below like ourselves to do business. Then you get thrown a curve ball by one of your stars, who is tied down on a long term deal, that he wants to chase the money "darn sarf" and you have to revise your recruitment strategy once again. When the dust has settled on this summer's transfer dealings, I think we will end up coming out of it rather well. NO you can't and I wasn't really referring to them. It was mainly Ramadan and partially Bojan. I will never agree with the Zouma and Jese loans though. We're paying to get a player fit and to help to sell one. Shouldn't we be the ones getting paid? I hope so Jezza because so far the picture being pained is a pretty poor one. We still need 4 signings. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2017 20:31:42 GMT
Which begs questions about signing fly by nights who give a damn about the club and will try their best. Something levelled at Hughes at QPR. He's clearly got excellent pedigree and could be brilliant but we tried this with Fonz. We tried to replace our best player with a loanee and it failed spectacularly to the point where we still haven't replaced him. I just don't like the short termism. It wreaks of doing things half arsed and on the cheap. And it leaves players that we own and should be giving game time to further down the pecking order. Surely we want to sign players who give a damn about the club and try their best??????? Indeed. So signing a loanee who has got no vested interest isn't ideal is it? He's got a fat contract at PSG for God knows how many years to prop him up on. He's doing exactly what people are giving Delph shit for in his thread. 😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 20:32:19 GMT
Finally, a journalist worth his salt and one worth reading / listening to. Hunter knows Spanish football and knows his stuff IMO. The Spanish equivalent of James Richardson. Good read, thank you. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 16, 2017 20:50:27 GMT
Surely we want to sign players who give a damn about the club and try their best??????? Indeed. So signing a loanee who has got no vested interest isn't ideal is it? He's got a fat contract at PSG for God knows how many years to prop him up on. He's doing exactly what people are giving Delph shit for in his thread. 😂 Delph wanted a loan rather than a permanent move which suggests he would not be comfortable stepping down to little Old Stoke - when we are probably the best he can hope for - a league above his previous club and less than 10 places below his current one. I don't notice many higher placed clubs than Stoke in the queue for his services. In the case of Jese, I'd have been worried if we had tried to sign him permanently. At £20 million+ it would have been a daft gamble, given that there is no way anyone can yet be certain whether or not his ACL has left him as a busted flush. I've no doubt that a loan with an option to buy would have suited us but it probably would not have suited PSG. If he plays a blinder for us then his value to PSG will be much higher than anything they might have been able to quote at the moment. So we are risking a loan fee and wages for a player who could make a huge difference to our season. If the gamble doesn't come off then it will not have cost us the earth. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 22:27:02 GMT
After digging a bit more into this I am convinced this is a bad move. Lacked professionalism at his previous loan club, Las Palmas, because he had mixed priorities with his music career so they refused the option to sign/ continue the loan. PSG don't want him as they don't rate him, and he hasn't scored regularly since 2014 when he had a very serious knee injury. This is a highly risky move by Hughes and I would be amazed if it works out to our benefit. Looks like an even flakier version of Bojan! Las Palmas wanted him to stay and extend his loan so you got that bit wrong already. He's a winger..they aren't really meant to score regularly. have some positivity. the negative crap on this board got boring months ago |
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Post by bertiestan on Aug 16, 2017 23:00:22 GMT
I'm genuinely shocked that people are moaning about us signing jese on a season loan.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Aug 16, 2017 23:04:02 GMT
I'm genuinely shocked that people are moaning about us signing jese on a season loan. Agree 100%  |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 16, 2017 23:17:43 GMT
I'm genuinely shocked that people are moaning about us signing jese on a season loan. Agree 100% Totally.....I really don't understand any negativity about this.....a loan is definately right for all parties.... If it works out well, THEN we do our upmost to make it permanent!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 23:22:26 GMT
I'm genuinely shocked that people are moaning about us signing jese on a season loan. Some of the miserable fucks on here would moan about becoming a billionaire. I don't think they realise how pathetic it makes them look |
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Post by stokie1 on Aug 17, 2017 0:25:05 GMT
After digging a bit more into this I am convinced this is a bad move. Lacked professionalism at his previous loan club, Las Palmas, because he had mixed priorities with his music career so they refused the option to sign/ continue the loan. PSG don't want him as they don't rate him, and he hasn't scored regularly since 2014 when he had a very serious knee injury. This is a highly risky move by Hughes and I would be amazed if it works out to our benefit. Looks like an even flakier version of Bojan! Las Palmas wanted him to stay and extend his loan so you got that bit wrong already. He's a winger..they aren't really meant to score regularly. have some positivity. the negative crap on this board got boring months ago Las Palmas did not want him to stay. Hopefully he will prove me wrong. |
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Post by mailman44 on Aug 17, 2017 0:25:59 GMT
I just knew before I opened this thread that there'd be people turning their nose up at Jesé Rodrigues. He's pretty much as good a player as we could realistically sign. It's rather more complicated than that though isn't it? If he has struggled since a cruciate injury then it is a gamble isn't it? Also, there's the question of where he fits in. For the two creative roles we have Shaq, Choupo, Ramadan and Bojan (with Verlinden coming through). Is he going to replace one of them? It could be an amazing signing, but they're questions worth asking rather than just creaming our pants at the mention of his name. Good bit of business by the pizza boys, a loan so if he flatters to deceive we can ship him back to the continent. If he comes good we benefit from that. |
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Post by davethebass on Aug 17, 2017 0:47:42 GMT
He verbally agreed a deal with them. It appears there was competition so I eat humble pie. But, I reckon we offered him more money and we were the only team in this league to take an interest. Nath, Excuse me for asking but you are genuinely a Stoke fan are you not? I only ask because nothing seems to suit you - a predicted 4-0 thrashing at Everton , all signings condemned as being of no or little value; management team incompetent? What does following Stoke actually do for you? Gives him something moan about mate. It's a Stokie thing, it's a sign of love and affection. But you already knew that  |
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Post by djduncanjames on Aug 17, 2017 0:47:49 GMT
It doesn't rhyme with Palacios  |
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Post by tijuanabrass on Aug 17, 2017 1:13:57 GMT
Not going to read through all 63 pages on this thread, so this may have already been posted.
It is pronounced "Hay Say"
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