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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 0:48:57 GMT
Who would you employ instead? The only manager I wanted us to get was Silva at Hull. He's now at Watford Mancini. That was it for me.
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Post by Sfance on Aug 13, 2017 0:51:47 GMT
I have no idea who I would get - it's not my line of work. I've hired a lot of people though and they don't always work out as you hope, even when you put a lot of thought into the decision. In any case, I am quite sure that Coates, since this IS his line of work, has got a short list that he keeps on his desk. He's unlikely to be telling random people on the Oatcake whose names are on it.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 13, 2017 6:47:28 GMT
Season is one game in mate. Everyone has got to unite and get behind them. I thought there were positive signs today. Especially at the back, which will get better and stronger as they gel. If we can add some quality over the next few weeks in the final 3rd we could have a really good season You can't ask someone like Benji to unite and get behind the team. His whole life is built around being nasty to Stoke City and each and every one of its employees. Pathetic post have you actually read my defence of Hughes on here ?, have you seen me condemn the players individually ? My criticism is very specific and targeted at the root cause of our issue , under imvestement and poor transfer execution .
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 13, 2017 6:51:55 GMT
You can't ask someone like Benji to unite and get behind the team. His whole life is built around being nasty to Stoke City and each and every one of its employees. Pathetic post have you actually read my defence of Hughes on here ?, have you seen me condemn the players individually ? My criticism is very specific and targeted at the root cause of our issue , under imvestement and poor transfer execution . Well put but for your own sanity biscuit boy remember you can not preach to those who choose not to listen
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Post by ashley luiz on Aug 13, 2017 6:55:32 GMT
It's not his first game is it . And he cost the team and fans points yesterday by his poor team selection and arrogance by choosing two players who have not justified there place on form Bojan and siado. They were the difference between the two sides yesterday. Once they was removed we was the better side . So that falls down to Hughes again There's no argument about that
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Post by pottermouth on Aug 13, 2017 7:04:32 GMT
After the end of last season i thought he needed to go. Now, i'm happy to give him plenty time this season, as you can bet the owners will, so it's pointless carrying on all this negativity which will only affect the team so it really needs to stop once the games start. The only reason i think some carry it on so strongly, is they want him to fail to try prove they were right. It seems sone really would hate him to succeed now. Sad really. SLP saying that Leslie has advised the board need to invest more money in to the team to progress. He's willing to stick it through though. I feel sorry for him after listening to Robbie Savage last night. Not often I agree with RS but I think he's right, what do Stoke fans expect when our net spend is £5m per season for last 5 years? RS urged Leslie to walk, provocative yes, but certainly true.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 13, 2017 7:45:47 GMT
Actually if you add 20 mill for Allen to say 8 for Joselu plus Arnie plus Shaq I suspect he has actually made a book profit offsetting any loss on imbula , market inflation I know but right now the media bone is stoke are not backing him and understandably so . I agree it is understandable the club won't back him given the balls up signings he has made The idea that the club won't back Hughes with funds is clearly rubbish: 1 No club in it's right mind would hold on to a manager they don't trust. 2 Hughes is clearly a proud man. If Hughes thought he wasn't trusted he would walk. 3 When it comes to managers Coates is loyal, straightforward and when push comes to shove will make the tough decisions. If Coates wanted Hughes gone he would have told him to his face - not undermine him by withholding funds. 4 Not to give the manager the funds they need (within the clubs budget) is cutting your nose off to spite yourself. Or just plain stupid - and Coates isn't stupid. You don't want Hughes as manager. Everybody gets that. But towing this line just demonstrates your bitterness regarding Hughes is completely clouding your judgement. You have gone beyond reason - you are simply spouting bile to hammer home an opinion that the majority of Stoke supporters do not share. Even fans who have doubts about Hughes get the situation and recognise that undermining the manager and the team does no-one any favours. If you really can't bear what's going on stay away until things change - which will happen one day. All you are doing at the moments is demonstrating that you consider supporting your poorly thought out opinions to be more important than supporting the club and what it is trying to achieve - which, believe it or not, isn't easy. Hughes is here until both parties agree to move on or we look like genuine relegation candidates - which will be Xmas at the earliest. Your opinions amount to nothing more than a particularly smelly but insignificant fart in a hurricane. Deal with it.
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Post by AlanHansen on Aug 13, 2017 8:03:42 GMT
I want rid of Hughes I have done for 18 months.
I'm certainly not crowing nor do I think now is the right time to sack him. We should have got rid before the start of last season, but had to sack him before the start of this. We've stupidly missed both of those boats.
We now have to make the best of a bad situation and back him. The board need to pressure him though and not just leave him to balls things up as appears to have been the case.
We need to stop buying young players for the future. We need to sort the front of shop first.
We must replace Pieters. The bloke is a liability. Again yesterday he was AWOL and the cross came from his side.
We need to play Berahino in a 2. If we're not to go with a 2 then Berahino must not play a single game longer up there on his own. We've tried and failed with it for the last 1/4 of last season, pre season and yesterday. It's not working. We were quickly into plan B yesterday, Crouch. I'm not totally sure why, but we're a better side when Berahino is NOT on the pitch.
Bojan is a weak link and we can't afford to carry him. There's no point waiting another 8 games before adimmiting the inevitable. I'd have bet my house on the first two players being subbed off yesterday being Bojan and Berahino.
One final thing we must do is all acknowledge the seriousness of the situation. I'm not sure there's 3 worse sides than us a some people appear to be banging on about. And there's no way were just going to turn up and finish up mid table. In fact unless we can start to score some goals we'll be the worst side in the division.
We're a poor side, and will very quickly be in the bottom 3! We need to acknowledge that and act fast to try and sort it. And if it looks to be going proper tits up, we must decisively and quickly replace Hughes before it's too late to do anything about it.
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Post by pottermouth on Aug 13, 2017 8:12:07 GMT
I want rid of Hughes I have done for 18 months. I'm certainly not crowing nor do I think now is the right time to sack him. We should have got rid before the start of last season, but had to sack him before the start of this. We've stupidly missed both of those boats. We now have to make the best of a bad situation and back him. The board need to pressure him though and not just leave him to balls things up as appears to have been the case. We need to stop buying young players for the future. We need to sort the front of shop first. We must replace Pieters. The bloke is a liability. Again yesterday he was AWOL and the cross came from his side. We need to play Berahino in a 2. If we're not to go with a 2 then Berahino must not play a single game longer up there on his own. We've tried and failed with it for the last 1/4 of last season, pre season and yesterday. It's not working. We were quickly into plan B yesterday, Crouch. I'm not totally sure why, but we're a better side when Berahino is NOT on the pitch. Bojan is a weak link and we can't afford to carry him. There's no point waiting another 8 games before adimmiting the inevitable. One final thing we must do is all acknowledge the seriousness of the situation. I'm not sure there's 3 worse sides than us a some people appear to be banging on about. And there's no way were just going to turn up and finish up mid table. In fact unless we can start to score some goals we'll be the worst side in the division. We're a poor side, and will very quickly be in the bottom 3! We need to acknowledge that and act fast to try and sort it. And if it looks to be going proper tits up, we must decisively and quickly replace Hughes before it's too late to do anything about it. Couldn't diasagree more. Yes MH has made mistakes (Imbula, Haargard etc) but it's chronic under investment that's the issue. Who realistically will come to Stoke in those circumstances? Give one name please.
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Post by AlanHansen on Aug 13, 2017 8:27:16 GMT
I want rid of Hughes I have done for 18 months. I'm certainly not crowing nor do I think now is the right time to sack him. We should have got rid before the start of last season, but had to sack him before the start of this. We've stupidly missed both of those boats. We now have to make the best of a bad situation and back him. The board need to pressure him though and not just leave him to balls things up as appears to have been the case. We need to stop buying young players for the future. We need to sort the front of shop first. We must replace Pieters. The bloke is a liability. Again yesterday he was AWOL and the cross came from his side. We need to play Berahino in a 2. If we're not to go with a 2 then Berahino must not play a single game longer up there on his own. We've tried and failed with it for the last 1/4 of last season, pre season and yesterday. It's not working. We were quickly into plan B yesterday, Crouch. I'm not totally sure why, but we're a better side when Berahino is NOT on the pitch. Bojan is a weak link and we can't afford to carry him. There's no point waiting another 8 games before adimmiting the inevitable. One final thing we must do is all acknowledge the seriousness of the situation. I'm not sure there's 3 worse sides than us a some people appear to be banging on about. And there's no way were just going to turn up and finish up mid table. In fact unless we can start to score some goals we'll be the worst side in the division. We're a poor side, and will very quickly be in the bottom 3! We need to acknowledge that and act fast to try and sort it. And if it looks to be going proper tits up, we must decisively and quickly replace Hughes before it's too late to do anything about it. Couldn't diasagree more. Yes MH has made mistakes (Imbula, Haargard etc) but it's chronic under investment that's the issue. Who realistically will come to Stoke in those circumstances? Give one name please. Playing the hapless Pieters, revisiting the previously answered Bojan question, continuing to persist with Berahino up top on his own and fiddling with formations again in the final few friendlies all fall at the managers feet. I'm not defending the board, far from it but they're not the main issue.
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Post by AlanHansen on Aug 13, 2017 8:37:02 GMT
Playing the hapless Pieters, revisiting the previously answered Bojan question, continuing to persist with Berahino up top on his own and fiddling with formations again in the final few friendlies all fall at the managers feet. I'm not defending the board, far from it but they're not the main issue. The hapless players you speak of are a result of the investment made. Whether they're being utilised to the max is questionable I agree. However, I'm not sure any manager would have achieved anything more than what MH has with this squad? With "his squad". Not this. Why persue Berahino for so long, pay 15 million for him and then not know what to do with him. And persist week after week not to know what to do with him.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 13, 2017 8:50:10 GMT
I want rid of Hughes I have done for 18 months. I'm certainly not crowing nor do I think now is the right time to sack him. We should have got rid before the start of last season, but had to sack him before the start of this. We've stupidly missed both of those boats. We now have to make the best of a bad situation and back him. The board need to pressure him though and not just leave him to balls things up as appears to have been the case. We need to stop buying young players for the future. We need to sort the front of shop first. We must replace Pieters. The bloke is a liability. Again yesterday he was AWOL and the cross came from his side. We need to play Berahino in a 2. If we're not to go with a 2 then Berahino must not play a single game longer up there on his own. We've tried and failed with it for the last 1/4 of last season, pre season and yesterday. It's not working. We were quickly into plan B yesterday, Crouch. I'm not totally sure why, but we're a better side when Berahino is NOT on the pitch. Bojan is a weak link and we can't afford to carry him. There's no point waiting another 8 games before adimmiting the inevitable. One final thing we must do is all acknowledge the seriousness of the situation. I'm not sure there's 3 worse sides than us a some people appear to be banging on about. And there's no way were just going to turn up and finish up mid table. In fact unless we can start to score some goals we'll be the worst side in the division. We're a poor side, and will very quickly be in the bottom 3! We need to acknowledge that and act fast to try and sort it. And if it looks to be going proper tits up, we must decisively and quickly replace Hughes before it's too late to do anything about it. Couldn't diasagree more. Yes MH has made mistakes (Imbula, Haargard etc) but it's chronic under investment that's the issue. Who realistically will come to Stoke in those circumstances? Give one name please. The funds are there, the manager keeps getting it wrong in the transfer market. The manager keeps starting seasons with defeat after defeat. The manager chucks out formations then doesn't try to sign players that are suited to the formation. When was the last time you were at a stoke match and said something like ' aah, hughes has seen that jagielka can easily get dragged out wide and isolated and has told diouf to stay further forward and we are peppering balls down that side'...no strategy The manager starts this season walking a tightrope with the fans, this cannot come as a surprise with anyone. As far as transfer budget is concerned it seems enough money is available, they wanted to sign lemina, in choupo we have an ideal replacement for arnie, looks like we are signing jese rodriquez. The problem is a manager who is fucking clueless and as one journalist has said today, there is no definition to what stoke are trying to do. He's a fucking chancer, I can't imagine he has any detailed discussion with players about tactics and strategy. He does fuck all
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Post by pottermouth on Aug 13, 2017 8:51:25 GMT
The hapless players you speak of are a result of the investment made. Whether they're being utilised to the max is questionable I agree. However, I'm not sure any manager would have achieved anything more than what MH has with this squad? With "his squad". Not this. Why persue Berahino for so long, pay 15 million for him and then not know what to do with him. And persist week after week not to know what to do with him. There aren't any other strikers to 'persist' with! Exactly my point about chronic underinvestment! Thanks for the lesson re 'his'. I'm always willing to learn 😉.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 13, 2017 8:56:50 GMT
I agree it is understandable the club won't back him given the balls up signings he has made The idea that the club won't back Hughes with funds is clearly rubbish: 1 No club in it's right mind would hold on to a manager they don't trust. 2 Hughes is clearly a proud man. If Hughes thought he wasn't trusted he would walk. 3 When it comes to managers Coates is loyal, straightforward and when push comes to shove will make the tough decisions. If Coates wanted Hughes gone he would have told him to his face - not undermine him by withholding funds. 4 Not to give the manager the funds they need (within the clubs budget) is cutting your nose off to spite yourself. Or just plain stupid - and Coates isn't stupid. You don't want Hughes as manager. Everybody gets that. But towing this line just demonstrates your bitterness regarding Hughes is completely clouding your judgement. You have gone beyond reason - you are simply spouting bile to hammer home an opinion that the majority of Stoke supporters do not share. Even fans who have doubts about Hughes get the situation and recognise that undermining the manager and the team does no-one any favours. If you really can't bear what's going on stay away until things change - which will happen one day. All you are doing at the moments is demonstrating that you consider supporting your poorly thought out opinions to be more important than supporting the club and what it is trying to achieve - which, believe it or not, isn't easy. Hughes is here until both parties agree to move on or we look like genuine relegation candidates - which will be Xmas at the earliest. Your opinions amount to nothing more than a particularly smelly but insignificant fart in a hurricane. Deal with it. How many fans were left at the end of the last game last season to show appreciation for Mark and his teams efforts ????, that is a genuine and palpable reflection of how the fans feel, take off those hughes tinted glasses he is taking us down.
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Post by pottermouth on Aug 13, 2017 9:02:16 GMT
Couldn't diasagree more. Yes MH has made mistakes (Imbula, Haargard etc) but it's chronic under investment that's the issue. Who realistically will come to Stoke in those circumstances? Give one name please. The funds are there, the manager keeps getting it wrong in the transfer market. The manager keeps starting seasons with defeat after defeat. The manager chucks out formations then doesn't try to sign players that are suited to the formation. When was the last time you were at a stoke match and said something like ' aah, hughes has seen that jagielka can easily get dragged out wide and isolated and has told diouf to stay further forward and we are peppering balls down that side'...no strategy The manager starts this season walking a tightrope with the fans, this cannot come as a surprise with anyone. As far as transfer budget is concerned it seems enough money is available, they wanted to sign lemina, in choupo we have an ideal replacement for arnie, looks like we are signing jese rodriquez. The problem is a manager who is fucking clueless and as one journalist has said today, there is no definition to what stoke are trying to do. He's a fucking chancer, I can't imagine he has any detailed discussion with players about tactics and strategy. He does fuck all So 3 9th place finishes and an albeit disappointing 13th speaks of a clueless manager and a chancer? I'm not a MH defender but at least let's get some facts correct! The bloke has spent £82m and netted approx £48m from the figures I heard broadcast last night on five live. That's over his tenure. That's peanuts for the Premier League. I get what you're saying re formations as MH's record at his teams coming back from a goal down is woeful. Imho your narrative is harsh and doesn't provide the full picture. I really hope the Board back the manager between now and 31st Aug as the current squad is clearly not good enough. Now is not the time to get rid of MH. We should judge him after Christmas (assuming he's backed with funds) if results are poor between now and then.
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Post by malteser68 on Aug 13, 2017 9:08:26 GMT
Bang on!! Unfortunately for some it doesn't stop there. Some posters are praying for pieters and Allen to fuck up so they can jump on the bandwagon as well I just don't get it. Are their lives so full of anger and hatred? Surely we all want Stoke to succeed. He sure ain't going anywhere, so what's the point it keeping up with hatred? Like we say, it can only be the sad fact in wanting to prove they were right. I just cannot understand why you insist on unjustly labelling criticism as hatred So in your view because i criticize Hughes I 'hate' him ?!!? Why should I 'hate' someone I dont even know?!
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 13, 2017 9:10:04 GMT
What pisses me off more than anything is the people that knock siado, he cost 12 million for christ sake, the strikers that will guarantee 10-15-20 goals a season are going to cost 25 million plus, so that says to me they are either thick as pig shit and or have a massive agenda against Hughes, its almost like the" why havent we replaced Nzonzi" shite like its that easy to replace one of europes top midfielders, its soo easy on football manager but this is real shit & not a computer game. Thing is, it's very difficult to stay positive about a player who hasn't scored since signing in February and is repeatedly played despite the poor stats. He should be supported whilst on the pitch but I can understand frustrations
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 13, 2017 9:14:40 GMT
The funds are there, the manager keeps getting it wrong in the transfer market. The manager keeps starting seasons with defeat after defeat. The manager chucks out formations then doesn't try to sign players that are suited to the formation. When was the last time you were at a stoke match and said something like ' aah, hughes has seen that jagielka can easily get dragged out wide and isolated and has told diouf to stay further forward and we are peppering balls down that side'...no strategy The manager starts this season walking a tightrope with the fans, this cannot come as a surprise with anyone. As far as transfer budget is concerned it seems enough money is available, they wanted to sign lemina, in choupo we have an ideal replacement for arnie, looks like we are signing jese rodriquez. The problem is a manager who is fucking clueless and as one journalist has said today, there is no definition to what stoke are trying to do. He's a fucking chancer, I can't imagine he has any detailed discussion with players about tactics and strategy. He does fuck all So 3 9th place finishes and an albeit disappointing 13th speaks of a clueless manager and a chancer? I'm not a MH defender but at least let's get some facts correct! The bloke has spent £82m and netted approx £48m from the figures I heard broadcast last night on five live. That's over his tenure. That's peanuts for the Premier League. I get what you're saying re formations as MH's record at his teams coming back from a goal down is woeful. Imho your narrative is harsh and doesn't provide the full picture. I really hope the Board back the manager between now and 31st Aug as the current squad is clearly not good enough. Now is not the time to get rid of MH. We should judge him after Christmas (assuming he's backed with funds) if results are poor between now and then. I would still like Hughes to turn this around and prove me wrong but I don't think he will. I don't see any appetite from him, or his players. There is a total lack of urgency. In everything we do there is a feeling of complacency, players under-achieving etc. An example, we never come from behind to win games. Another one, we are shit at scoring from and defending against set pieces. Hughes did well the first few seasons but since January 2016 we have been awful
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Post by philb on Aug 13, 2017 9:16:01 GMT
I want rid of Hughes I have done for 18 months. I'm certainly not crowing nor do I think now is the right time to sack him. We should have got rid before the start of last season, but had to sack him before the start of this. We've stupidly missed both of those boats. We now have to make the best of a bad situation and back him. The board need to pressure him though and not just leave him to balls things up as appears to have been the case. We need to stop buying young players for the future. We need to sort the front of shop first. We must replace Pieters. The bloke is a liability. Again yesterday he was AWOL and the cross came from his side. We need to play Berahino in a 2. If we're not to go with a 2 then Berahino must not play a single game longer up there on his own. We've tried and failed with it for the last 1/4 of last season, pre season and yesterday. It's not working. We were quickly into plan B yesterday, Crouch. I'm not totally sure why, but we're a better side when Berahino is NOT on the pitch. Bojan is a weak link and we can't afford to carry him. There's no point waiting another 8 games before adimmiting the inevitable. I'd have bet my house on the first two players being subbed off yesterday being Bojan and Berahino. One final thing we must do is all acknowledge the seriousness of the situation. I'm not sure there's 3 worse sides than us a some people appear to be banging on about. And there's no way were just going to turn up and finish up mid table. In fact unless we can start to score some goals we'll be the worst side in the division. We're a poor side, and will very quickly be in the bottom 3! We need to acknowledge that and act fast to try and sort it. And if it looks to be going proper tits up, we must decisively and quickly replace Hughes before it's too late to do anything about it. How can you say you're not sure there are three worse sides than us after they've all played only one game and four teams not even that yet! 🙄
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Post by Sfance on Aug 13, 2017 9:17:10 GMT
I can only imagine Coates didn't fire Hughes over the summer because he is highly conservative - he likes to stick as long as possible. It was exactly the same with Pulis. Most people wanted him gone long before it happened. But Coates got there in the end. Hughes knows that and he also knows he's probably not going to go up in the management world if he gets fired. I assume he asked for more time and Coates gave him a certain number of games to turn it around. But Hughes has long since proved that he is incapable of turning it around. If this analysis is correct, I think it might be more likely that he will decide to walk before too much longer in an effort to save face. He could make a weak argument he's not been backed as he needed to be. In any case, one way or another, he's history. And a good thing too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 10:11:50 GMT
I wanted Hughes out in the summer - now prepared to give him a chance
was 6 games - I'LL now give him the first ten (after yesterday)
but such thinking leaves a quandray - do you give him the war chest - or not ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 10:31:11 GMT
Nothing has changed from last season or majority of the season before though has it?
We want to play with wing backs yet we have no wing backs. We want to play with 1 up front but we have no forward who can lead the line. As a team we have no pace whatsoever, Diouf is the only one and he can barely control a football and he's a forward playing right wing back.
We neither have the quality of players to out pass teams and create openings or the pace and power to counter and run at teams. So what we end up with is sidewards and backwards football while the opposition have plenty of time to organise and setup 2 banks of 4 thus making it almost impossible to break down.
Yesterday we looked more solid at the back but again lack of leadership and concentration means we concede at a crucial time. We could still be playing now and we wouldn't look like scoring, the only chance came from Shaq which is pretty much created on his own.
If he wanted to play this formation then preseason should have seen 2 new full backs, Shaw dropped behind the front man, new wingers and a new target man. What we have so far is an upgraded Whelan and a tank in defence. As much as an improvement they are, neither really sort any of the glaring issues.
There is no way we will sign whats needed so this adventure into 3 at the back will result in much the same as yesterday.
Will we go down? I don't think so but it will barely be entertaining like it hasn't for a while. Nobody is expecting to win every game but jeez at least get us on the edge of our seats once in a while, crabbing through games is a bore.
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Post by jstoke7 on Aug 13, 2017 10:44:39 GMT
Am I the only one who thought Bojan had one of his best games for us in a while? Thought he linked the play well, not quite his old self but a whole lot better.
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Post by AlanHansen on Aug 13, 2017 10:50:24 GMT
Am I the only one who thought Bojan had one of his best games for us in a while? Thought he linked the play well, not quite his old self but a whole lot better. Yep, the only one. To be fair to him he wasn't awful. But he's a week link and if we are being honest with ourselves then he needs upgrading. He's a luxury we can't afford, especially given the shit storm we're sleepwalking into.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 13, 2017 11:01:28 GMT
I agree it is understandable the club won't back him given the balls up signings he has made The idea that the club won't back Hughes with funds is clearly rubbish: 1 No club in it's right mind would hold on to a manager they don't trust. 2 Hughes is clearly a proud man. If Hughes thought he wasn't trusted he would walk. 3 When it comes to managers Coates is loyal, straightforward and when push comes to shove will make the tough decisions. If Coates wanted Hughes gone he would have told him to his face - not undermine him by withholding funds. 4 Not to give the manager the funds they need (within the clubs budget) is cutting your nose off to spite yourself. Or just plain stupid - and Coates isn't stupid. You don't want Hughes as manager. Everybody gets that. But towing this line just demonstrates your bitterness regarding Hughes is completely clouding your judgement. You have gone beyond reason - you are simply spouting bile to hammer home an opinion that the majority of Stoke supporters do not share. Even fans who have doubts about Hughes get the situation and recognise that undermining the manager and the team does no-one any favours. If you really can't bear what's going on stay away until things change - which will happen one day. All you are doing at the moments is demonstrating that you consider supporting your poorly thought out opinions to be more important than supporting the club and what it is trying to achieve - which, believe it or not, isn't easy. Hughes is here until both parties agree to move on or we look like genuine relegation candidates - which will be Xmas at the earliest. Your opinions amount to nothing more than a particularly smelly but insignificant fart in a hurricane. Deal with it. Another intelligent post by you. 👍 But you're wasting your time with Crapslinger. <<<<<. What a **** 😂
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Post by pavel on Aug 13, 2017 11:06:58 GMT
Am I the only one who thought Bojan had one of his best games for us in a while? Thought he linked the play well, not quite his old self but a whole lot better. Yep, the only one. To be fair to him he wasn't awful. But he's a week link and if we are being honest with ourselves then he needs upgrading. He's a luxury we can't afford, especially given the shit storm we're sleepwalking into. No not the only one, plenty on this board and plenty not on this board thought he played well!
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Post by jstoke7 on Aug 13, 2017 11:09:10 GMT
Am I the only one who thought Bojan had one of his best games for us in a while? Thought he linked the play well, not quite his old self but a whole lot better. Yep, the only one. To be fair to him he wasn't awful. But he's a week link and if we are being honest with ourselves then he needs upgrading. He's a luxury we can't afford, especially given the shit storm we're sleepwalking into. I'm sorry but you are seeing what you want to see. Concentrating on every mistake he makes. I've been one of his biggest critics the last 12 months, I think he's been very poor and underwhelming in the main but yesterday was completely different. It's a joke how much you seem to want us to fail at the moment. If anyone didn't see yesterday as an improvement then they have an agenda without doubt. That's not to say there's not things we need to work on though. You're embarrassing.
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Post by simple on Aug 13, 2017 11:19:20 GMT
MH is the manager,if he is a strong manager then he decides who goes and who he wants,if he had balls then if he was not being involved in decisions then he should walk him self.If he is a manager who does not want to take responsibility then he will blame others and just wait for a pay day.I think he's the second one.
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Post by mattador78 on Aug 13, 2017 11:27:05 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 13, 2017 11:35:33 GMT
The idea that the club won't back Hughes with funds is clearly rubbish: 1 No club in it's right mind would hold on to a manager they don't trust. 2 Hughes is clearly a proud man. If Hughes thought he wasn't trusted he would walk. 3 When it comes to managers Coates is loyal, straightforward and when push comes to shove will make the tough decisions. If Coates wanted Hughes gone he would have told him to his face - not undermine him by withholding funds. 4 Not to give the manager the funds they need (within the clubs budget) is cutting your nose off to spite yourself. Or just plain stupid - and Coates isn't stupid. You don't want Hughes as manager. Everybody gets that. But towing this line just demonstrates your bitterness regarding Hughes is completely clouding your judgement. You have gone beyond reason - you are simply spouting bile to hammer home an opinion that the majority of Stoke supporters do not share. Even fans who have doubts about Hughes get the situation and recognise that undermining the manager and the team does no-one any favours. If you really can't bear what's going on stay away until things change - which will happen one day. All you are doing at the moments is demonstrating that you consider supporting your poorly thought out opinions to be more important than supporting the club and what it is trying to achieve - which, believe it or not, isn't easy. Hughes is here until both parties agree to move on or we look like genuine relegation candidates - which will be Xmas at the earliest. Your opinions amount to nothing more than a particularly smelly but insignificant fart in a hurricane. Deal with it. Another intelligent post by you. 👍 But you're wasting your time with Crapslinger.....Just ignore a simpleton like me!
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