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Post by stokey127 on Aug 3, 2017 19:30:58 GMT
I have it on fairly good authority that Burnley have submitted an offer for our captain today. He wouldn't go there would he? We wouldn't accept it would we? All depends on the money Ryan ain't what he was we love him but replacement had to be in the bag before we Would consider
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Aug 3, 2017 19:34:51 GMT
He was also involved and culpable in a large number of our four goal drubbings if you care to take a look! So were Johnson, Pieters and the midfielders in front of them... And BMI, who we all want to sign.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:35:18 GMT
Are we having 100 pages of folk slagging off our captain now pathetic some folks are not happy unless they are having a go. This board has gone to rat shit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:36:35 GMT
Any more than £10m then consider it That money can be used to offset Gibson and BMI (why not both? Zouma can be used in midfield when we play with a back four) I should be sentimental, and Ryan is am utter legend, but... I'm kind of there, too. I'd take a decent fee, as long as we were sure that we were securing BMI, plus another (Gibson, Smalling, Sakho??), and with Zouma on-board too, Ryan probably struggles to get in. He's not quite the player that he once was, imo, and I think we have better Captaincy options (eg Fletcher). If Scholes' dreams come true, I can honestly foresee a point where a move might be the best thing all-round. The Club obviously have some kind of reservation, as well, otherwise he'd have been sorted by now. Could it be that the Club feel that if the apples drop, we can afford to let Ryan go??
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Post by pottersrule on Aug 3, 2017 19:36:48 GMT
I could cope with Zouma and Muniesa. Ryan really needs to step up. Muniesa?
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Aug 3, 2017 19:37:30 GMT
There are 5 other defenders that need to go first.
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Post by turfite on Aug 3, 2017 19:37:32 GMT
I can't see it happening Stokies.
From a Burnloke fan.
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 3, 2017 19:38:02 GMT
So were Johnson, Pieters and the midfielders in front of them... And BMI, who we all want to sign. Gary Cahill was in the Bolton side that we trounced 5-0 @ wembley still got a move to and now captains Chelsea. One good player cant hold together a whole back four!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:39:02 GMT
Not a prayer Hughes will sell our captain to a rival of ours.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:40:39 GMT
Ryan has been a fantastic servant but I can see why we may be looking to move him on. = Last year of his contract he'll want a new improved one of 3-4 years. Is he worth it considering his recent injury issues. It could be a big risk especially as he doesn't seem the player he was. = We have 2 very decent looking prospects coming through. = The way we're looking to play is Ryan a good enough "footballer" for what we need. Your last point is a good one. Hughes dumped Huth for a similar reason. Good CHs these days are generally decent footballers; old-fashioned stoppers who do nothing but, are few and far between. He didn't get a decent crack at International level for this reason. Who would today, honestly, say that they think Ryan should be in the England set-up? He also has a pretty poor goals tally for a CH of his size, over the last few years.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Aug 3, 2017 19:41:03 GMT
And BMI, who we all want to sign. Gary Cahill was in the Bolton side that we trounced 5-0 @ wembley still got a move to and now captains Chelsea. One good player cant hold together a whole back four! You're so right, Ryan can't hold it all together on his own.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:41:05 GMT
Not a prayer Hughes will sell our captain to a rival of ours. I'm not as sure as you are. Which isn't saying that I want him gone.
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Post by ashley luiz on Aug 3, 2017 19:42:04 GMT
Not a prayer Hughes will sell our captain to a rival of ours. he sold them one of our best forwards and best right back .personally he's only captain by name and not by nature
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Post by somersetstokie on Aug 3, 2017 19:42:34 GMT
We don't know but MH may have been given some sort of Summer Directive that at least a percentage of incoming transfer fees is covered by the sale of players, and he has obstinately decided, "right, if that's what you want that's what we'll do." Cue a long list of club stalwarts being offloaded, regardless of their former worth to the club.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:43:15 GMT
Not a prayer Hughes will sell our captain to a rival of ours. I'm not as sure as you are. Which isn't saying that I want him gone. The only way I could ever see it happening is if we signed Gibson and BMI. But that doesn't seem to be happening so he will stay
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:44:20 GMT
We don't know but MH may have been given some sort of Summer Directive that at least a percentage of incoming transfer fees is covered by the sale of players, and he has obstinately decided, "right, if that's what you want that's what we'll do." Cue a long list of club stalwarts being offloaded, regardless of their former worth to the club. If that were the case he'd be selling Butland and Shaqiri. Plus, he wouldn't cut his nose off to spite his face.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:44:28 GMT
Not a prayer Hughes will sell our captain to a rival of ours. he sold them one of our best forwards and best right back .personally he's only captain by name and not by nature Is that the same best forward that couldn't get a game? And the best right back that was never fit?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 3, 2017 19:45:56 GMT
Ryan has been a fantastic servant but I can see why we may be looking to move him on. = Last year of his contract he'll want a new improved one of 3-4 years. Is he worth it considering his recent injury issues. It could be a big risk especially as he doesn't seem the player he was. = We have 2 very decent looking prospects coming through. = The way we're looking to play is Ryan a good enough "footballer" for what we need. Your last point is a good one. Hughes dumped Huth for a similar reason. Good CHs these days are generally decent footballers; old-fashioned stoppers who do nothing but, are few and far between. He didn't get a decent crack at International level for this reason. Who would today, honestly, say that they think Ryan should be in the England set-up? He also has a pretty poor goals tally for a CH of his size, over the last few years. And it's not me slagging Ryan off as he's been a terrific player particularly under TP but it can be frustrating when he kicks the ball out of play when under no pressure. He's been a really great servant for the club but I can see where MH is coming from and believe me I don't agree with everything he does. I'd imagine with us moving John and Glen he's not seeing many of the old guard and his friends left so he's probably feeling a little unsettled.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 3, 2017 19:46:54 GMT
Having listened to Ethers earlier if Ryan goes that will be pretty much the heart ripped out of our squad , just hope a new one gets put back in
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Post by ashley luiz on Aug 3, 2017 19:48:08 GMT
Chaps there can't be room For sentimental feelings in football.
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 3, 2017 19:48:12 GMT
he sold them one of our best forwards and best right back .personally he's only captain by name and not by nature Is that the same best forward that couldn't get a game? And the best right back that was never fit? MH is having a good rid out which has been needed for a good while now.
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Post by Northy on Aug 3, 2017 19:48:41 GMT
If we sell shawcross before buying a replacement I think we can safely say something is very very wrong and the truth in the end will out , At what point does my predicted squad implosion become reality I'd say with such a deal if we don't have a replacement in the door same day . Scenario - Stoke buy BMI and Gibson as Shawcross is moving on, off toddles shawcross to Burnley for his medical, and fails it owing to back problems showing up. We now have a very high earning former captain hanging around the club for a year as his replacements have already been signed
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:49:47 GMT
Is that the same best forward that couldn't get a game? And the best right back that was never fit? MH is having a good rid out which has been needed for a good while now. Correct, but it needs to be balanced with a sensible, proper rebuild
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Aug 3, 2017 19:50:09 GMT
I could cope with Zouma and Muniesa. Ryan really needs to step up. Muniesa? I understand if you've never heard of him.
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Post by stokie1954 on Aug 3, 2017 19:52:07 GMT
Pieters had a poor season granted but Johnson missed a large number of games didn't he not that he was really missed at that. so what have our transfer team Done about it ? Since every other club is strengthening Don't know what our transfer team has done about it, although it's probably more than you've done about your grammar!.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 3, 2017 19:54:01 GMT
I mean, I hope we've offered him one. Give over, we're talking Stoke City here. Of course we haven't offered him one.
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 3, 2017 19:54:47 GMT
MH is having a good rid out which has been needed for a good while now. Correct, but it needs to be balanced with a sensible, proper rebuild Totally agree mate, but Stoke might have planned this better than a lot of us have given them credit for. Players usually need to be moved on before others can be brought in. We might end up with 2 or 3 signings all in one day. Davesviews stated last week that more players needed to be moved on after the Bardsley deal went through.
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Post by ashley luiz on Aug 3, 2017 19:54:49 GMT
so what have our transfer team Done about it ? Since every other club is strengthening Don't know what our transfer team has done about it, although it's probably more than you've done about your grammar!. anal
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Post by theonlywayisstoke on Aug 3, 2017 19:58:04 GMT
Think if we're going to offload we need to do it now in terms of £££...need to have BMI and Smalling (or similar) in before we do that IMO though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 20:00:41 GMT
Look --- I call players not fit to burn sometimes
especially stupid transfer targets
sometimes our own too
BUT I find the disrespect afforded to a modern day legend whose been the cornerstone of
every single good thing thats happened to Stoke City in the last ten years
Quite disgusting
SHAME ON YOU !!!!
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