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Post by foster on Jul 29, 2017 21:15:42 GMT
[br So 5 goals in 20 games makes him the answer? You honestly think he is the best striker we can expect in the pl?? Sorry mate not buying that. Laliga may have some of the best teams yes but the Prem is much more competitive. He is better then what we have. Thats my point. You cannot only read stats in number of games. It is more correct to read "goal in every X minutes". Premier League is only more competitive in terms of money among the clubs. It's more competitive than la liga by all accounts then. Teams are more even. Makes it a better league. Uefa coefficients are based on the top teams performance in Europe. Not surprising Spain does well then their 2 biggest teams get 80% of the tv money.
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Post by TheRealTimShady on Jul 29, 2017 21:18:19 GMT
[br So 5 goals in 20 games makes him the answer? You honestly think he is the best striker we can expect in the pl?? Sorry mate not buying that. Laliga may have some of the best teams yes but the Prem is much more competitive. He is better then what we have. Thats my point. You cannot only read stats in number of games. It is more correct to read "goal in every X minutes". Premier League is only more competitive in terms of money among the clubs. The premier league is the only league where there are no easy games. Every game is a test even for the best teams. The top laliga teams regularly turn over the bottom half teams by huge scorelines without breaking a sweat. How you can say laliga is more 'competitive' is beyond me.
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Jul 29, 2017 21:25:30 GMT
He is better then what we have. Thats my point. You cannot only read stats in number of games. It is more correct to read "goal in every X minutes". Premier League is only more competitive in terms of money among the clubs. The premier league is the only league where there are no easy games. Every game is a test even for the best teams. The top laliga teams regularly turn over the bottom half teams by huge scorelines without breaking a sweat. How you can say laliga is more 'competitive' is beyond me. Bang on the money. La Liga is a glorified Scottish league if Celtic and Rangers had a billion invested each... with a couple more good teams added in for garnish.
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Post by Fredrikstad Norway on Jul 29, 2017 21:34:40 GMT
Yes I said that if you read again. (Barca and RM) No big deal Fredrikstad, but when I read what you've written it seems to me like he scored 2 goals against the two clubs all together, but if I'm right he scored 3. Well, as I said no big deal, just that he can also do it against the best there are. Yes, ofcorse 2 against Real Madrid and 1 against Barca.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 21:38:11 GMT
He scores two against a championship side in a friendly and he is all of a sudden the answer to all our woes?
Not buying it at all.
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Post by robstokie on Jul 29, 2017 21:39:18 GMT
As I have said on a few occasions, Joselu didn't get a fair crack of the whip the season before last. If he could get a run of games under his belt, he would create no end for those around him - with a bit of time to gel, he could be brilliant for us. Glad he got his goals today, hopefully Sparky will consider him for Everton.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 21:49:53 GMT
Duouf isnt the answer either hes my least favourite footballer at the club who needs 10 attempts to get a ball under control Right wing back is his best position He cant control a football which is why when he is played right wing hughes has moved him up front as he isnt capable of the basics which is why he doesnt play
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Jul 29, 2017 21:59:07 GMT
Duouf isnt the answer either hes my least favourite footballer at the club who needs 10 attempts to get a ball under control Right wing back is his best position Bases on him scoring double figures last time he had a proper crack at the CF whip?
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Post by expectedtoulouse on Jul 29, 2017 23:43:21 GMT
The amount of nonsense on this thread is staggering!
Diouf: 1st season played half up front half on the right wing and went to AFCON but still scored 10 goals is apparently shite according to a lot of posters.
Similarly with Joselu who got at least 4 goals and a few assists in a handful of starts and never given a run of games. How can you say he can't cut it in the PL when he clearly has?
Then these same posters are championing Berahino who has 0 goals and 0 assists in 12+ consecutive starts. The guy is an absolute bag of shite!
The treatment of Diouf and Joselu by Hughes just shows what a clueless prick he has and why he needed sacking months ago. We've got 2 perfectly adequate strikers but he chooses to freeze them out and play the one who can't hit a barn door.
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Jul 30, 2017 0:23:06 GMT
The amount of nonsense on this thread is staggering! Diouf: 1st season played half up front half on the right wing and went to AFCON but still scored 10 goals is apparently shite according to a lot of posters. Similarly with Joselu who got at least 4 goals and a few assists in a handful of starts and never given a run of games. How can you say he can't cut it in the PL when he clearly has? Then these same posters are championing Berahino who has 0 goals and 0 assists in 12+ consecutive starts. The guy is an absolute bag of shite! The treatment of Diouf and Joselu by Hughes just shows what a clueless prick he has and why he needed sacking months ago. We've got 2 perfectly adequate strikers but he chooses to freeze them out and play the one who can't hit a barn door. amen to that
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Jul 30, 2017 0:37:22 GMT
Jack
Zouma Ryan Muniesa/Bruno
MBD Cameron Fletcher Allen Ramadan
Joselu/Crouch/Shaq/Bojan Saido
IF
Hughes' plan is 3-5-2 then the above seems a much more balanced team. The problem is the creativity. The problem is the LINK between midfield and what clearly needs to be a front TWO.
Crouch/Saido Bojan/Joselu
Both seem good combos - but how do you fit in Shaq? Back to right wing? :-(
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Post by tuum on Jul 30, 2017 2:21:08 GMT
I saw Joselu in Singapore when he first joined. Although they were friendlies I saw enough to suggest that he was not good enough for Stoke. I wanted him to show more but he never did. Like many of our recent signings he was not consistent. He is not good enough for the Premier League. Period. Have you seen the other Stoke strikers too? Yes. They are all better than Joselu. I am happy to be proved wrong. If Joselu is showing signs of improvement and Hughes wants to give him another chance then I am ok with that. I don't think he can do it week in week out but,as I said, happy to be proved wrong.
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Post by slother on Jul 30, 2017 7:11:01 GMT
Butland  Zouma Shawcross Cameron Johnson     Allen Fletcher    Sobhi Shaq    Bojan Joselu I think that's how I'd start vs Everton if we don't sign anyone. Mate you don't want your left wing back to be right footed. He's going to struggle to tackle the right winger he's defending against as he goes in using the outside of his foot and he's not going to be able to get past his full back and whip in a cross from the left. Which other right footed left wing backs are you thinking of? Believe me, I'm not happy about playing a right-footed 20 year old wet behind the ears Egyptian at left wingback either! It's just I think he'd be more of a success in the role than Pieters. Wingbacks tend to be players that exploit space the wide man ahead of them creates. Sobhi has the skill set to make good use of space in the final third, and in that position would have the time to check onto his right, though I admit it's not ideal.
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Post by slother on Jul 30, 2017 7:14:19 GMT
Butland Zouma Shawcross Cameron Johnson Allen Fletcher Sobhi Shaq Bojan Joselu I think that's how I'd start vs Everton if we don't sign anyone. How about Diouf instead of Johnson? Not for me. Diouf's more or less hopeless. I love him. He's a trier. But he's hopeless. He's had more first and second chances than anyone in the squad to get in the XI. Notice this argument doesn't have a single positive thing to say about Johnson!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 30, 2017 7:23:41 GMT
How about Diouf instead of Johnson? Not for me. Diouf's more or less hopeless. I love him. He's a trier. But he's hopeless. He's had more first and second chances than anyone in the squad to get in the XI. Diouf had a huge effect on the game when he replaced Johnson yesterday. Johnson looked OK (in attack) for the first 15 minutes after that he contributed virtually nothing to attack or defence. Diouf may not have a good first touch but his pace transformed us after he came on yesterday. He's not the perfect answer to our need for a right wing back but, compared to Johnson's from since he came back from injury, he is far better. I think we need two dedicated wingback/attacking full backs - until we get them (or Edwards and Tymon are first team ready) Diouf is the best option we have on the right.
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Post by Fredrikstad Norway on Jul 30, 2017 7:33:43 GMT
He is better then what we have. Thats my point. You cannot only read stats in number of games. It is more correct to read "goal in every X minutes". Premier League is only more competitive in terms of money among the clubs. It's more competitive than la liga by all accounts then. Teams are more even. Makes it a better league. Uefa coefficients are based on the top teams performance in Europe. Not surprising Spain does well then their 2 biggest teams get 80% of the tv money. Sorry, Premier League, but Sevilla's win vs. Real Madrid shows La Liga rules
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Post by ashley luiz on Jul 30, 2017 7:37:26 GMT
Anyone is better then scuff shot Siado
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 8:01:05 GMT
He is better then what we have. Thats my point. You cannot only read stats in number of games. It is more correct to read "goal in every X minutes". Premier League is only more competitive in terms of money among the clubs. It's more competitive than la liga by all accounts then. Teams are more even. Makes it a better league. Uefa coefficients are based on the top teams performance in Europe. Not surprising Spain does well then their 2 biggest teams get 80% of the tv money. With all that money floating around, you would have thought they could have invested in a sprinkler system at that blood laboratory. Oh well.
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Post by kurt on Jul 30, 2017 8:56:26 GMT
Joselu is a good striker and Stoke should try to keep him.
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Post by superheroantonius on Jul 30, 2017 9:35:54 GMT
Not for me. Diouf's more or less hopeless. I love him. He's a trier. But he's hopeless. He's had more first and second chances than anyone in the squad to get in the XI. Diouf had a huge effect on the game when he replaced Johnson yesterday. Johnson looked OK (in attack) for the first 15 minutes after that he contributed virtually nothing to attack or defence. Diouf may not have a good first touch but his pace transformed us after he came on yesterday. He's not the perfect answer to our need for a right wing back but, compared to Johnson's from since he came back from injury, he is far better. I think we need two dedicated wingback/attacking full backs - until we get them (or Edwards and Tymon are first team ready) Diouf is the best option we have on the right. I think diouf or sobhi on the right. They are both right footed and can both motor up and down the pitch all day. Perhaps hughes should change the habit of a lifetime and sign an ethers type left footed player for the left wing?
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Post by superheroantonius on Jul 30, 2017 9:41:01 GMT
Joselu is a good striker and Stoke should try to keep him. He's a very good finisher but he would do himself a huge favour if he would spend every game , trying to get in the box and get on the end of things. As to be fair he did v bolton. And not go wondering off around the pitch, which to be fair, is a bad habit of his.
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Post by hanibal7 on Jul 30, 2017 9:55:10 GMT
He is better then what we have. Thats my point. You cannot only read stats in number of games. It is more correct to read "goal in every X minutes". Premier League is only more competitive in terms of money among the clubs. The premier league is the only league where there are no easy games. Every game is a test even for the best teams. The top laliga teams regularly turn over the bottom half teams by huge scorelines without breaking a sweat. How you can say laliga is more 'competitive' is beyond me. errrr stoke fans have said we have been hammered in many games, except when toxic was here
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 30, 2017 10:00:58 GMT
Jack Zouma Ryan Muniesa/Bruno MBD Cameron Fletcher Allen Ramadan Joselu/Crouch/Shaq/Bojan Saido IF Hughes' plan is 3-5-2 then the above seems a much more balanced team. The problem is the creativity. The problem is the LINK between midfield and what clearly needs to be a front TWO.Crouch/Saido Bojan/Joselu Both seem good combos - but how do you fit in Shaq? Back to right wing? :-(
With the players we've currently got available, something like.
Butland
Zouma Shawcross Pieters
Diouf Fletcher Allen Tymon
Shaqiri
Berahino Joselu*
*or Crouch or Bojan or Diouf
But there are massive issues there with the wing backs. If Hughes wants go three at the back and allow Berahino to play in a two (which he needs) then he simply has to get in a pair of quality wing backs, that is how he should replace Arnie. And he still needs them if he's going to play a back four.
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Post by hanibal7 on Jul 30, 2017 10:01:42 GMT
He scores two against a championship side in a friendly and he is all of a sudden the answer to all our woes? Not buying it at all. he could be ok, after a loan move, but we have gone from knicker wetting to spunk laden pants
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 30, 2017 10:12:30 GMT
the only game last season when berahino looked vaguely usefull was the one when he played just behind Crouchy briefly in a home game! so I think he needs to play alongside a big man be it Crouchy Jossy or a n other.Will clueless dare to try it?? Personally when Hughes did that I thought it didn't work at all.
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Post by Fredrikstad Norway on Jul 30, 2017 10:18:58 GMT
Butland Zouma Shawcross Cameron Johnson Allen Fletcher Sobhi Shaq Bojan Joselu I think that's how I'd start vs Everton if we don't sign anyone. I like the look of that team. My choice also. If Delph coming in before the Everton match I would change Allen with Delph.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 30, 2017 11:25:06 GMT
Butland Zouma Shawcross Cameron Johnson Allen Fletcher Sobhi Shaq Bojan Joselu I think that's how I'd start vs Everton if we don't sign anyone. I like the look of that team. My choice also. If Delph coming in before the Everton match I would change Allen with Delph. Not for me. I'd rather see Diouf (or at a pinch Sobhi) in the right wing back position and I'd play Tymon in the left wing back position. It really isn't fair to expect a right footed youngster like Sobhi to play left wing back. At a pinch he might be able to play right wing back but we play him on the left not to put crosses in or tackle with his left foot, but to play as an inverted winger who cuts in - that simply isn't the wing back's style of play.
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Post by hanibal7 on Jul 30, 2017 11:34:09 GMT
Read the Sentinel and what Hughes says. Nothing like what them idiots said after the game on radio. So many stupid mis quotes and people jump on the bandwagon.
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Post by hanibal7 on Jul 30, 2017 11:36:45 GMT
So that many different team selections lol, who on earth will the real Mark Hughes pick, AND, only 10 outfield players to pick, Just shows how difficult it is with a 25 man squad.
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Post by superheroantonius on Jul 30, 2017 11:58:35 GMT
He scores two against a championship side in a friendly and he is all of a sudden the answer to all our woes? Not buying it at all. He's also scored against real madrid and Barcelona The lad has ability. But he is as gone missing has often as he's shone Could be anything next season from star man to waste of space.
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