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Post by alster on Jul 15, 2017 18:48:23 GMT
I think we need to accept that Ryan is no longer untouchable in the starting XI. There have been concerns over him for a while. The credit in the bank has run out. I think that the change in playing style of the team is the problem for Shawcross. Pulisball suited him better (obviously). He seemed to adapt reasonably well initially but I think our tactics last season have seen him revert to mindless hoofing add to that he's nowhere near as solid defensively and I can accept why questions are being asked. He doesn't worry me massively but another 4 years on top money, I'm not so sure I'd be rushing to get that contract done.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 15, 2017 18:49:42 GMT
Christ, they're all out tonight. Don't you agree that Shawcross doesn't look as solid as he used to? Yeah not as good as he was sadly but still the best defender on the books by an absolute country fucking mile and with our recruitment teams idiocy we better hope nothing is really amiss.
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 15, 2017 18:50:16 GMT
He got done by a great piece of skill, it happens every week to decent premier league defenders.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 15, 2017 18:54:25 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 15, 2017 18:55:48 GMT
He got done by a great piece of skill, it happens every week to decent premier league defenders. Also it's pre season and only has about 90 minutes under his belt?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 15, 2017 19:16:17 GMT
Ryan isn't the same player anymore and that's sad to see because he's been a MASSIVE player for us over the past 9 or so years. It's also sad to see the amount of abuse he's getting, it's fine to say he might need replacing but I feel uncomfortable with the people getting personal and saying "he's shit" etc, he deserves respect.
Btw, my comment on the Bruno thread about Ryan was said in jest, so don't bother bringing that up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 19:17:51 GMT
Tweaked his back again? I know the feeling Ryan. You do it on a pitch against Monaco. I do it bending over to do my shoe laces. Serious point here. The club need to sit down and have a potentially awkward chat about where they go from here. If this isn't addressed and his back goes again during the season we could be in serious trouble.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 15, 2017 19:39:25 GMT
Christ, they're all out tonight. He used to be one of our best but unfortunately something has happened to him, injuries are bound to catch up with a player eventually and to me it looks like he's struggling.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 15, 2017 19:40:25 GMT
He got done by a great piece of skill, it happens every week to decent premier league defenders. Also it's pre season and only has about 90 minutes under his belt? Maybe so but last season was the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 19:45:19 GMT
SLP Marc on Indi thread says he has twinged his back
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Post by bombers1987 on Jul 15, 2017 19:50:51 GMT
I hate to say this and it's been said before. Ryan is a spent force and these little niggling tweaks and pulls are taking their toll. We need 2 starting 11 CBs and sharpush
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Post by Northy on Jul 15, 2017 20:30:43 GMT
I hate to say this and it's been said before. Ryan is a spent force and these little niggling tweaks and pulls are taking their toll. We need 2 starting 11 CBs and sharpush who does sharpush play for
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Post by emmbrook1956 on Jul 15, 2017 20:42:44 GMT
Am I missing something ? BMI has signed for Palace.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 20:58:43 GMT
Am I missing something ? BMI has signed for Palace. No he hasn't.
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Post by scfccat on Jul 15, 2017 22:01:23 GMT
Sadly we need athletes in the team and we certainly don't have enough and Ryan ain't one of them anymore.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 15, 2017 22:03:28 GMT
Am I missing something ? BMI has signed for Palace. No he hasn't. Shirley the Sun said he had so it must be true.
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Post by emmbrook1956 on Jul 16, 2017 7:52:37 GMT
Am I missing something ? BMI has signed for Palace. No he hasn't. Was what I read on Sky rubbish the?
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Post by hanibal7 on Jul 16, 2017 8:26:25 GMT
Got shouted down 2 years ago when I said he we needed his replacement. He's done, it was clear enough then. Typical numbnut, i told u so ne ne ne na na na, tool
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 16, 2017 8:38:36 GMT
Got shouted down 2 years ago when I said he we needed his replacement. He's done, it was clear enough then. Typical numbnut, i told u so ne ne ne na na na, tool I agree nobody likes a told you so but the sad fact remains that he is right Personally myself it's just not his back that's the problem He has never looked the same player since holding was highlighted it was part of his game
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 16, 2017 8:39:23 GMT
Was what I read on Sky rubbish the? If they said he had signed, then yes it was.
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 16, 2017 8:41:34 GMT
Was what I read on Sky rubbish the? 1) Sky never said he had signed for Palace. Just said they had agreed a fee with Porto. 2) In fact, it turns out point 1) is bollocks. They haven't even agreed a fee. Sky know nothing.
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Post by samba :) on Jul 16, 2017 8:55:59 GMT
shaq doesn't need to squat by the looks
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Post by gonk on Jul 16, 2017 9:28:41 GMT
....the wording of your comment suggests you are enjoying the possibility of Ryans injury, no need for personal abuse either .......... I think you're just missing the point.we need to buy in a replacement and nurture a talent that will grow in his mold. I take no pleasure of seeing us ship 4 goals regularly. But seriously, it's time people started facing facts with Ryan. Is this why Stoke have not offered him a new contract yet.Would not be good offering a 4 year deal if this is going to keep happening ,Stoke could be only offering 1 year where wants more .Also those 2 lads have not looked to bad for the future .
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 16, 2017 9:37:19 GMT
That black stripe looks great!
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 16, 2017 10:26:20 GMT
It worries me how willing people are to stick the boot into Ryan.
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Post by stokefanone on Jul 16, 2017 10:34:47 GMT
Shawcross has not been the same since he lost the protection of the whitehead/Whelan/huth bodyguard. Must bring indi back and a pacy CB.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 16, 2017 10:42:06 GMT
Typical numbnut, i told u so ne ne ne na na na, tool I agree nobody likes a told you so but the sad fact remains that he is right Personally myself it's just not his back that's the problem He has never looked the same player since holding was highlighted it was part of his game This 100%. Here's the rub - Ryan could have been an England Centre Back if he had not of been 'coached' by Toxic. He developed him into a one dimensional rough house centre back. He's done great for Stoke City but it appears his race is coming to an end. Shame.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 16, 2017 10:43:01 GMT
We needed two before this, if Ryan's fucked his back again then we need three!
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Post by Davef on Jul 16, 2017 10:49:01 GMT
It worries me how willing people are to stick the boot into Ryan. It makes me want to puke. And we ridicule Arsenal fans for how they treat their players.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 16, 2017 10:51:45 GMT
I agree nobody likes a told you so but the sad fact remains that he is right Personally myself it's just not his back that's the problem He has never looked the same player since holding was highlighted it was part of his game This 100%. Here's the rub - Ryan could have been an England Centre Back if he had not of been 'coached' by Toxic. He developed him into a one dimensional rough house centre back. He's done great for Stoke City but it appears his race is coming to an end. Shame. Keep sticking the knife in Pugs🙄Biggest load of bollocks you've posted for a while
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