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Post by sanmarinostokie on Jul 12, 2017 21:18:39 GMT
I am sorry, but a diving header tackle. Holy crap. And also, no gloves tonight. Tracked back a bit also. Finally starting to learn the other side of the game.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 12, 2017 21:21:14 GMT
The midfield defensively were utter crap.
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Post by Gifton on Jul 12, 2017 21:22:15 GMT
I was working so missed the game but it's amazing just how differently people see things. Other people have slated him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 21:23:31 GMT
His positioning was woeful. His defending was diabolical. His decision making just outside our own area was suicidal. Other than that he was superb....
Ball at his feet bursting forward the lad has talent. How he drops his shoulder is fantastic. But defensively he simply has no idea
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 21:23:42 GMT
I was working so missed the game but it's amazing just how differently people see things. Other people have slated him. Oh come on! I cannot believe that.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 12, 2017 21:25:12 GMT
Hope for the sake of fairplay that there's no holding or shirt pulling involved!
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Jul 12, 2017 21:26:38 GMT
His positioning was woeful. His defending was diabolical. His decision making just outside our own area was suicidal. Other than that he was superb.... Ball at his feet bursting forward the lad has talent. How he drops his shoulder is fantastic. But defensively he simply has no idea Play him in Arni's slot then.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 21:27:45 GMT
His positioning was woeful. His defending was diabolical. His decision making just outside our own area was suicidal. Other than that he was superb.... Ball at his feet bursting forward the lad has talent. How he drops his shoulder is fantastic. But defensively he simply has no idea Play him in Arni's slot then..... yep I can see him as a left winger cutting inside onto that right foot of his...
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Post by mattythestokie on Jul 12, 2017 21:28:38 GMT
Still have major doubts about him. He just doesn't seem to be a team player.
His ability to keep the ball moving quickly is shocking. He's always looking to stop and take a man on. Sometimes he just needs keep the ball moving.
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Jul 12, 2017 21:28:38 GMT
The point remains, it is a significant improvement on previous games.
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Post by stokiemarc on Jul 12, 2017 21:29:49 GMT
Megsing people for fun though
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 21:30:55 GMT
The point remains, it is a significant improvement on previous games. Nope, not true. He is a bag of shite that cannot play football. Hughes out!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 12, 2017 21:32:43 GMT
He did track back but it all looked a bit aimless tbh.
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Post by arnie3010 on Jul 12, 2017 21:33:03 GMT
The point remains, it is a significant improvement on previous games. He's a £18 million signing...
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Jul 12, 2017 21:34:05 GMT
The point remains, it is a significant improvement on previous games. He's a £18 million signing... Not his fault he cost that much is it though.
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Jul 12, 2017 21:35:16 GMT
He did track back but it all looked a bit aimless tbh. More than that lump alongside him.
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 12, 2017 21:37:43 GMT
The point remains, it is a significant improvement on previous games. He's a £18 million signing... Money isn't always representative of the quality you get though is it Imbula £18 Million - Largely shite for most of his time here Arnie £2 Million - Good Palacios £8 Million- Shite N'Zonzi £3.5 Million - Good Maurice Edu Free - Incredible
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 12, 2017 21:38:03 GMT
I think he's fucking ace.
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Post by TexasPotter on Jul 12, 2017 21:58:14 GMT
With Fletcher or Cameron behind him doing the hard defending (whereas Charlie was woeful in that aspect today,) he could be useful this season I feel. He was showing glimpses throughout of improvement on the defensive side of his game.
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Post by arnie3010 on Jul 12, 2017 21:59:02 GMT
He's a £18 million signing... Money isn't always representative of the quality you get though is it Imbula £18 Million - Largely shite for most of his time here Arnie £2 Million - Good Palacios £8 Million- Shite N'Zonzi £3.5 Million - Good Maurice Edu Free - IncredibleIsn't an excuse for not working on yourself and don't care (game v Wolves as an example)
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Post by lordb on Jul 12, 2017 22:00:17 GMT
With Fletcher or Cameron behind him doing the hard defending (whereas Charlie was woeful in that aspect today,) he could be useful this season I feel. He was showing glimpses throughout of improvement on the defensive side of his game. If we don't sell him then yes if he does play the higher up the pitch the better.
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Jul 12, 2017 22:01:06 GMT
Play him in Arni's slot then..... yep I can see him as a left winger cutting inside onto that right foot of his... He isnt exactly a prolific goal scorer anyway. His ability to run at the defense could create chances for our other forwards. If we are to believe Arni is leaving then we might as well use now to explore.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 12, 2017 22:02:28 GMT
With Fletcher or Cameron behind him doing the hard defending (whereas Charlie was woeful in that aspect today,) he could be useful this season I feel. He was showing glimpses throughout of improvement on the defensive side of his game. If we don't sell him then yes if he does play the higher up the pitch the better. When he's on the ball I think the higher up the pitch he is the worse he looks, he's at his best picking the ball up from deep and driving forwards.
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 12, 2017 22:04:53 GMT
He can only work in the English game as part of a midfield three where the other two are prepared to make up for his lack of defensive nous - say, with Fletcher and Cameron. That means sacrificing Allen and Bojan in exchange for his half a dozen forward bursts, often down blind alleys, a game. I am not convinced he has shown himself to be worth the effort, to be honest.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 12, 2017 22:08:54 GMT
His positioning was woeful. His defending was diabolical. His decision making just outside our own area was suicidal. Other than that he was superb.... Ball at his feet bursting forward the lad has talent. How he drops his shoulder is fantastic. But defensively he simply has no idea Yep. I think you're spot on. His tracking back was pathetic, he got tight to the ref on one of his jog backs and that was the closest he got to anyone on his many walk backs. I spent the first half watching him without the ball and he's diabolical. Watch it back and you will see a guy aimlessly saunter back, and stop while nowhere near a man. He never spotted any of their players making runs either. He can look ok when he going forward but even then he loses possession. He's not up to this level, his occasional surges forward completely negated by the glaring weaknesses in his game. He'll never play consistently for Stoke. No wonder Porto got rid
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 12, 2017 22:09:22 GMT
yep I can see him as a left winger cutting inside onto that right foot of his... He isnt exactly a prolific goal scorer anyway. His ability to run at the defense could create chances for our other forwards. If we are to believe Arni is leaving then we might as well use now to explore. Just because a bloke can power past an opponent doesn't make him a winger.
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Jul 12, 2017 22:22:09 GMT
He isnt exactly a prolific goal scorer anyway. His ability to run at the defense could create chances for our other forwards. If we are to believe Arni is leaving then we might as well use now to explore. Just because a bloke can power past an opponent doesn't make him a winger. Just because a player is positioned wide does not make them a winger. He could play as a defensive forward,
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 12, 2017 22:32:24 GMT
Just because a bloke can power past an opponent doesn't make him a winger. Just because a player is positioned wide does not make them a winger. He could play as a defensive forward, Again, he'd need to have some sort of defensive quality. As has been stated above, his best quality is driving from deep, which you'd lose the further forward you push him. He doesn't have a whole lot of creativity either.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 12, 2017 22:42:12 GMT
He did track back but it all looked a bit aimless tbh. More than that lump alongside him. All he's got left are his free kicks, although they are mostly good (couldn't beat a one man wall) he should be nowhere near the first team next season.
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Post by samba :) on Jul 12, 2017 22:44:16 GMT
I though him and Charlie were shocking in the first half tbh. They were just playing it through them.
For the first goal Shaw had to come out and do their job for them and the young boys just kncoked it past
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