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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 11, 2017 12:29:17 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 1, 2018 14:48:44 GMT
Can't wait for Stormzy to spit some rhymes.....
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 1, 2018 15:28:16 GMT
Worrying just how many illegal issues there were in this tower, Illegal immigrants, illegal sub letting, marijuana growing and dealing, credit card fraud amazingly only two prosecutions and million of pounds of tax payers money used to house illegals.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 2, 2018 19:30:56 GMT
Riddled.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 2, 2018 20:28:15 GMT
Can't find any pics on any media outlet despite her being in court , fuckin disgusting behaviour needs sending down for twenty years.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 2, 2018 21:08:31 GMT
71 people died in a horrific tragedy that was entirely preventable. Don't let that escape your minds when commenting on this thread.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 2, 2018 22:28:38 GMT
71 people died in a horrific tragedy that was entirely preventable. Don't let that escape your minds when commenting on this thread. I think we are all aware of that fact, however it should not be used for political point scoring as appears to have happened, it should not either be used to cover up the illegal actions of people living there or sub letting property for financial gain. The fraudster in court this week needs making an example of to deter other fraudsters from gaining from others suffering, we should also deport all illegals found to be living there as an example that it will not be tolerated in this country, instead we give them amnesty why ??
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 2, 2018 23:38:13 GMT
71 people died in a horrific tragedy that was entirely preventable. Don't let that escape your minds when commenting on this thread. I think we are all aware of that fact, however it should not be used for political point scoring as appears to have happened, it should not either be used to cover up the illegal actions of people living there or sub letting property for financial gain. The fraudster in court this week needs making an example of to deter other fraudsters from gaining from others suffering, we should also deport all illegals found to be living there as an example that it will not be tolerated in this country, instead we give them amnesty why ?? I would say it is far more important to learn from the mistakes to prevent mass death in similar circumstances again, to properly find out what happened for the victim's families and witnesses, to properly support those families and survivors and to bring to justice those responsible (if anyone). Some illegal immigrants and some illegal subletting, although both are important issues generally, are in my view utterly irrelevant in comparison.
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Post by pearo on Mar 3, 2018 20:08:18 GMT
I think we are all aware of that fact, however it should not be used for political point scoring as appears to have happened, it should not either be used to cover up the illegal actions of people living there or sub letting property for financial gain. The fraudster in court this week needs making an example of to deter other fraudsters from gaining from others suffering, we should also deport all illegals found to be living there as an example that it will not be tolerated in this country, instead we give them amnesty why ?? I would say it is far more important to learn from the mistakes to prevent mass death in similar circumstances again, to properly find out what happened for the victim's families and witnesses, to properly support those families and survivors and to bring to justice those responsible (if anyone). Some illegal immigrants and some illegal subletting, although both are important issues generally, are in my view utterly irrelevant in comparison. Nice to know that in your view some crimes are “ utterly irrelevant” would you care to give us a full list of all those that are, just so we all know where your moral compass lies. Many thanks in anticipation.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 3, 2018 20:53:40 GMT
I would say it is far more important to learn from the mistakes to prevent mass death in similar circumstances again, to properly find out what happened for the victim's families and witnesses, to properly support those families and survivors and to bring to justice those responsible (if anyone). Some illegal immigrants and some illegal subletting, although both are important issues generally, are in my view utterly irrelevant in comparison. Nice to know that in your view some crimes are “ utterly irrelevant” would you care to give us a full list of all those that are, just so we all know where your moral compass lies. Many thanks in anticipation. Is this the poster who claims to be a lawyer ?, only crimes committed by legal citizens are punishable perhaps , maybe one of these criminals caused the fire how would a lawyer view that scenario.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 4, 2018 7:46:51 GMT
I would say it is far more important to learn from the mistakes to prevent mass death in similar circumstances again, to properly find out what happened for the victim's families and witnesses, to properly support those families and survivors and to bring to justice those responsible (if anyone). Some illegal immigrants and some illegal subletting, although both are important issues generally, are in my view utterly irrelevant in comparison. Nice to know that in your view some crimes are “ utterly irrelevant” would you care to give us a full list of all those that are, just so we all know where your moral compass lies. Many thanks in anticipation. Re-read my post and you will realise that you have misunderstood it. If not, show it to someone else and they can explain it to you. The key phrases you have not understood are 'in comparison' and 'both are important issues'
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 4, 2018 7:46:56 GMT
I think we are all aware of that fact, however it should not be used for political point scoring as appears to have happened, it should not either be used to cover up the illegal actions of people living there or sub letting property for financial gain. The fraudster in court this week needs making an example of to deter other fraudsters from gaining from others suffering, we should also deport all illegals found to be living there as an example that it will not be tolerated in this country, instead we give them amnesty why ?? I would say it is far more important to learn from the mistakes to prevent mass death in similar circumstances again, to properly find out what happened for the victim's families and witnesses, to properly support those families and survivors and to bring to justice those responsible (if anyone). Some illegal immigrants and some illegal subletting, although both are important issues generally, are in my view utterly irrelevant in comparison. Agree 100%. Well maybe 95% - I wouldn't say "utterly irrelevant", maybe something like "not the most important issue arising from the disaster". I would like to think that what we are seeing just now is some of the low level criminality associated with Grenfell Tower being addressed as it is, relatively, straightforward in legal terms. Meanwhile, the more substantial investigation is moving inexorably forward on the fire itself; its causes and liabilities. By its nature that should take whatever time is required to find the right answers free from political pressure (from whatever side). We will have to be patient in that regard. In the meantime, the regular clowns on this forum will have the occasional news story to further fuel their hatred and prejudices of refugees and immigrants.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 4, 2018 7:48:00 GMT
Nice to know that in your view some crimes are “ utterly irrelevant” would you care to give us a full list of all those that are, just so we all know where your moral compass lies. Many thanks in anticipation. Is this the poster who claims to be a lawyer ?, only crimes committed by legal citizens are punishable perhaps , maybe one of these criminals caused the fire how would a lawyer view that scenario. As I said to Pearo, re-read my post and you will realise your misunderstanding. If not, find someone to explain it to you.
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Post by pearo on Mar 4, 2018 8:01:50 GMT
Nice to know that in your view some crimes are “ utterly irrelevant” would you care to give us a full list of all those that are, just so we all know where your moral compass lies. Many thanks in anticipation. Re-read my post and you will realise that you have misunderstood it. If not, show it to someone else and they can explain it to you. The key phrases you have not understood are 'in comparison' and 'both are important issues' It is your use of the phrase “ utterly irrelevant” that is the only misunderstanding here. By implication it devalues and discredits all those law abiding residents of Grenfell who were victims of this tragedy. For their sake alone every element of criminality involved should be dealt with.
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Post by essexstokey on Mar 4, 2018 8:17:40 GMT
I would say it is far more important to learn from the mistakes to prevent mass death in similar circumstances again, to properly find out what happened for the victim's families and witnesses, to properly support those families and survivors and to bring to justice those responsible (if anyone). Some illegal immigrants and some illegal subletting, although both are important issues generally, are in my view utterly irrelevant in comparison. Agree 100%. Well maybe 95% - I wouldn't say "utterly irrelevant", maybe something like "not the most important issue arising from the disaster". I would like to think that what we are seeing just now is some of the low level criminality associated with Grenfell Tower being addressed as it is, relatively, straightforward. Meantime, the more substantial investigation is moving inexorably forward on the fire itself; its causes and liabilities. By its nature that should take whatever time is required to find the right answers free from political pressure (from whatever side). We will have to be patient in that regard. In the meantime, the regular clowns on this forum will have the occasional news story to further fuel their hatred and prejudices of refugees and immigrants. The problem is by giving this public enquiry such restricted terms and also not giving all people a say it is and will always be seen as a cover up the longer it go's on the more suspicious you get, and while it go's on the tory press will come up with tons of story's to try and discredit the people involved in pointing out anything to deflect from the incompetence and criminal activity (allegedly) of this council. Lets not forget also that 9 mths on we still have people in tempory accommodation and living in appalling conditions. but why should that matter to the council it will be forgotten soon right !! just hope that they get there comeuppance at the local council elections in may!!
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 4, 2018 8:25:52 GMT
It is interesting that in society there is lots of criminality. It’s not the crime itself that I object to, but the knock on effects of the crimes. As for the woman living the life of a disabled person in a wheelchair, that $#!t makes my skin crawl. Then there are these characters. How much have they cost the nation with their exploits:- www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fraud-office-pursues-a-retrial-of-tesco-bosses-vc6s72wnq
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 4, 2018 9:15:28 GMT
Agree 100%. Well maybe 95% - I wouldn't say "utterly irrelevant", maybe something like "not the most important issue arising from the disaster". I would like to think that what we are seeing just now is some of the low level criminality associated with Grenfell Tower being addressed as it is, relatively, straightforward. Meantime, the more substantial investigation is moving inexorably forward on the fire itself; its causes and liabilities. By its nature that should take whatever time is required to find the right answers free from political pressure (from whatever side). We will have to be patient in that regard. In the meantime, the regular clowns on this forum will have the occasional news story to further fuel their hatred and prejudices of refugees and immigrants. The problem is by giving this public enquiry such restricted terms and also not giving all people a say it is and will always be seen as a cover up the longer it go's on the more suspicious you get, and while it go's on the tory press will come up with tons of story's to try and discredit the people involved in pointing out anything to deflect from the incompetence and criminal activity (allegedly) of this council. Lets not forget also that 9 mths on we still have people in tempory accommodation and living in appalling conditions. but why should that matter to the council it will be forgotten soon right !! just hope that they get there comeuppance at the local council elections in may!! yeah, yeah, yeah. You're as bad as the right wing zealots we have on this forum; looking to exploit a tragedy for political ends, feigning concern for victims while loving the opportunity their suffering provides for your political posturing. You make me sick.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 4, 2018 9:27:56 GMT
The problem is by giving this public enquiry such restricted terms and also not giving all people a say it is and will always be seen as a cover up the longer it go's on the more suspicious you get, and while it go's on the tory press will come up with tons of story's to try and discredit the people involved in pointing out anything to deflect from the incompetence and criminal activity (allegedly) of this council. Lets not forget also that 9 mths on we still have people in tempory accommodation and living in appalling conditions. but why should that matter to the council it will be forgotten soon right !! just hope that they get there comeuppance at the local council elections in may!! yeah, yeah, yeah. You're as bad as the right wing zealots we have on this forum; looking to exploit a tragedy for political ends, feigning concern for victims while loving the opportunity their suffering provides for your political posturing. You make me sick. That the so called restrictive terms which include looking at how and why the fire started and spread are not deemed the most important tells you a lot about what some people really want from this inquiry.
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 4, 2018 9:30:34 GMT
Re-read my post and you will realise that you have misunderstood it. If not, show it to someone else and they can explain it to you. The key phrases you have not understood are 'in comparison' and 'both are important issues' It is your use of the phrase “ utterly irrelevant” that is the only misunderstanding here. By implication it devalues and discredits all those law abiding residents of Grenfell who were victims of this tragedy. For their sake alone every element of criminality involved should be dealt with. For the sake of the law they should be dealt with. But that is utterly it relevant compared to the deaths (potentially manslaughter) of so many.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 4, 2018 9:53:43 GMT
It is your use of the phrase “ utterly irrelevant” that is the only misunderstanding here. By implication it devalues and discredits all those law abiding residents of Grenfell who were victims of this tragedy. For their sake alone every element of criminality involved should be dealt with. For the sake of the law they should be dealt with. But that is utterly it relevant compared to the deaths (potentially manslaughter) of so many. The clue to this is in the wording Illegal as in Illegal breaking the law type Illegal you know against the law, let's see the result of the investigations of the cause of the tragedy. Meanwhile we can be dealing with the criminals living there or claiming to have been living there.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 4, 2018 15:19:43 GMT
Agree 100%. Well maybe 95% - I wouldn't say "utterly irrelevant", maybe something like "not the most important issue arising from the disaster". I would like to think that what we are seeing just now is some of the low level criminality associated with Grenfell Tower being addressed as it is, relatively, straightforward. Meantime, the more substantial investigation is moving inexorably forward on the fire itself; its causes and liabilities. By its nature that should take whatever time is required to find the right answers free from political pressure (from whatever side). We will have to be patient in that regard. In the meantime, the regular clowns on this forum will have the occasional news story to further fuel their hatred and prejudices of refugees and immigrants. The problem is by giving this public enquiry such restricted terms and also not giving all people a say it is and will always be seen as a cover up the longer it go's on the more suspicious you get, and while it go's on the tory press will come up with tons of story's to try and discredit the people involved in pointing out anything to deflect from the incompetence and criminal activity (allegedly) of this council. Lets not forget also that 9 mths on we still have people in tempory accommodation and living in appalling conditions. but why should that matter to the council it will be forgotten soon right !! just hope that they get there comeuppance at the local council elections in may!! It'll always be politicised by the Left. If Channel 4 News don't do a 'Grenfell 5 years on' special documentary I'll buy you a unicorn. They're already changing a tube station name to 'honour' the tragedy.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 6, 2018 18:38:52 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 6, 2018 18:43:50 GMT
No surprise there then
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Post by Northy on Mar 6, 2018 19:26:41 GMT
no wonder they keep refusing flats if staying in there.
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Post by Northy on Mar 7, 2018 8:20:32 GMT
The chair of the RICS Leaders Forum on Fire Safety has now published its response to Dame Judith Hackett's Report on the Grenfell Tower for anybody that is interetsed in looking into it, stormzy, Essex etc.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 7, 2018 8:54:54 GMT
The chair of the RICS Leaders Forum on Fire Safety has now published its response to Dame Judith Hackett's Report on the Grenfell Tower for anybody that is interetsed in looking into it, stormzy, Essex etc. Got a link? cheers.
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Post by Northy on Mar 7, 2018 9:20:45 GMT
The chair of the RICS Leaders Forum on Fire Safety has now published its response to Dame Judith Hackett's Report on the Grenfell Tower for anybody that is interetsed in looking into it, stormzy, Essex etc. Got a link? cheers. Not at the moment, it's available to purchase online I may get it from BSRIA as I've been doing fire riser surveys recently
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Post by metalhead on Mar 7, 2018 10:10:48 GMT
The problem is by giving this public enquiry such restricted terms and also not giving all people a say it is and will always be seen as a cover up the longer it go's on the more suspicious you get, and while it go's on the tory press will come up with tons of story's to try and discredit the people involved in pointing out anything to deflect from the incompetence and criminal activity (allegedly) of this council. Lets not forget also that 9 mths on we still have people in tempory accommodation and living in appalling conditions. but why should that matter to the council it will be forgotten soon right !! just hope that they get there comeuppance at the local council elections in may!! yeah, yeah, yeah. You're as bad as the right wing zealots we have on this forum; looking to exploit a tragedy for political ends, feigning concern for victims while loving the opportunity their suffering provides for your political posturing. You make me sick. While I totally agree with you, the left wing 'zealots' have been equally using this tragedy for political ends..... and have been since the very start. That is modern day politics. It's not about policies or good ideas anymore. It's about identity politics and political point scoring and populism. I mean, the fact this thread which is designed to talk about Grenfell victims is being taken over by people annoyed by someone who committed fraud really says a lot, but none of this is surprising. The strong left and strong right are equally bigoted in my opinion. The whole situation is completely fucked though.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 7, 2018 10:12:43 GMT
Cannabis shouldn't really be illegal anyway, should it? Perhaps the judge thought that when sentencing.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 7, 2018 10:14:27 GMT
Can't find any pics on any media outlet despite her being in court , fuckin disgusting behaviour needs sending down for twenty years. Perhaps because posting a photo of her would be a bit unwise.... don't you agree?
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