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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 27, 2019 16:32:45 GMT
A shifty bunch.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 27, 2019 16:47:04 GMT
Battle lines being drawn up: No deal 'only acceptable' way to leave EU, says Nigel FarageSeems to me Farage is indicating the Brexit Party will enter some sort of agreement with the Tories in the event of a General Elrction. Probably that the Brexit Party won’t stand against a Tory committed to No Deal while the Tories won’t stand where the Brexit Party have a better chance of winning (in Labour’s Brexit Northern heartlands). If I was Corbyn I’d be very afraid. He risks being wiped out if an election happens before Brexit happens because he will lose his Brexit seats in the North and his remain seats in London to the SDP who are committed to Remain.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 27, 2019 16:48:42 GMT
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Post by yeokel on Aug 27, 2019 16:57:35 GMT
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 27, 2019 17:33:02 GMT
Don't know why Caroline Lucas gets her mug everywhere, she's not even party leader
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 27, 2019 17:37:02 GMT
Don't know why Caroline Lucas gets her mug everywhere, she's not even party leader Similarly Harry...... Perhaps there is an agenda.
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Post by foster on Aug 27, 2019 17:45:56 GMT
What makes you think that the EU will relent on the Irish Backstop? They have repeatedly said they won't and they've repeatedly said that there will be no re-negotiation of the Withdrawal Agreement. Indeed, the Withdrawal Agreement is an actual EU treaty which has zero chance of being amended, even if they felt so inclined, before October 31st. It was approved by the EU, the 27 member states and the UK Government. It was put before Parliament three times and they rejected it every time. The whole isssue with the backstop is an EU solution for an EU problem . If we leave without a deal the EU will have to decide how to control the imports coming over the border into the single market. Why is it being portrayed as UK issue . Johnson has already said repeatedly no border from uk why is the integrity off the single market our problem . Trade goes both ways.
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Post by foster on Aug 27, 2019 17:48:23 GMT
Get back to me in two years Harry on that question. I'm hoping for a simple solution to this , a stand still agreement for 2 years would be my choice whilst we get future trade deal sorted , but it won't happen though I'm hoping for Brexit to get cancelled. .. But if it goes ahead I won't be that concerned as we'll rejoin again anyway.
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 27, 2019 17:58:17 GMT
Battle lines being drawn up: No deal 'only acceptable' way to leave EU, says Nigel FarageSeems to me Farage is indicating the Brexit Party will enter some sort of agreement with the Tories in the event of a General Elrction. Probably that the Brexit Party won’t stand against a Tory committed to No Deal while the Tories won’t stand where the Brexit Party have a better chance of winning (in Labour’s Brexit Northern heartlands). If I was Corbyn I’d be very afraid. He risks being wiped out if an election happens before Brexit happens because he will lose his Brexit seats in the North and his remain seats in London to the SDP who are committed to Remain. It was a matter of time for Nigel, he was just waiting for the opposition to show themselves. He’s a shrewd operator and this will have been worked out as an outcome by him weeks ago. He knows the Tories will have to cosy up to him to avoid wipeout and this will set the cat amongst the pigeons for Labour....whatever happens, someone big will be falling at any next general election. Maybe it’s long overdue to sort them and Parliament out.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 27, 2019 18:05:52 GMT
The whole isssue with the backstop is an EU solution for an EU problem . If we leave without a deal the EU will have to decide how to control the imports coming over the border into the single market. Why is it being portrayed as UK issue . Johnson has already said repeatedly no border from uk why is the integrity off the single market our problem . Trade goes both ways. It does but it willl be our problem to deal with ,
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 27, 2019 18:10:29 GMT
I'm hoping for a simple solution to this , a stand still agreement for 2 years would be my choice whilst we get future trade deal sorted , but it won't happen though I'm hoping for Brexit to get cancelled. .. But if it goes ahead I won't be that concerned as we'll rejoin again anyway. It won't happen mate not in its present format, no until here is some accountability, democracy and not just France , Germany, and a bunch of nodding poodles
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 27, 2019 19:48:23 GMT
What makes you think that the EU will relent on the Irish Backstop? They have repeatedly said they won't and they've repeatedly said that there will be no re-negotiation of the Withdrawal Agreement. Indeed, the Withdrawal Agreement is an actual EU treaty which has zero chance of being amended, even if they felt so inclined, before October 31st. It was approved by the EU, the 27 member states and the UK Government. It was put before Parliament three times and they rejected it every time. The whole isssue with the backstop is an EU solution for an EU problem . If we leave without a deal the EU will have to decide how to control the imports coming over the border into the single market. Why is it being portrayed as UK issue . Johnson has already said repeatedly no border from uk why is the integrity off the single market our problem . Barnier is actually on camera bragging about how they will use the border issue as leverage during the trade talks they have always wanted to weaponise and drag it out during the trade talks.
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Post by 4372 on Aug 27, 2019 22:03:26 GMT
Which of these UK Politicians is responsible for the quote below?
“This is a market on our doorstep, ready for further exploitation by British firms. The membership fee seems rather small for all that access. Why are we so determined to turn our back on it?”
a) Jeremy Corbyn. b) Margaret Thatcher. c) Boris Johnson.
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 27, 2019 22:19:53 GMT
Which of these UK Politicians is responsible for the quote below? “This is a market on our doorstep, ready for further exploitation by British firms. The membership fee seems rather small for all that access. Why are we so determined to turn our back on it?” a) Jeremy Corbyn. b) Margaret Thatcher. c) Boris Johnson. Johnson. Johnson was a keen remainer until he saw a possibility for his own career then changed sides in the run up to the referendum. His reckoning was there was little chance of leave winning the referendum but his own strance would stay in peoples minds and they would view him as a maverick.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 27, 2019 23:41:54 GMT
Which of these UK Politicians is responsible for the quote below? “This is a market on our doorstep, ready for further exploitation by British firms. The membership fee seems rather small for all that access. Why are we so determined to turn our back on it?” a) Jeremy Corbyn. b) Margaret Thatcher. c) Boris Johnson. Johnson. Johnson was a keen remainer until he saw a possibility for his own career then changed sides in the run up to the referendum. His reckoning was there was little chance of leave winning the referendum but his own strance would stay in peoples minds and they would view him as a maverick. Johnson had 2 speeches prepared before the Referendum depending which side won. Ever the opportunist. How could anyone take him seriously at a negotiating table? He's ready to change like the wind as long as he's the benefactor.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 28, 2019 0:33:06 GMT
Johnson. Johnson was a keen remainer until he saw a possibility for his own career then changed sides in the run up to the referendum. His reckoning was there was little chance of leave winning the referendum but his own strance would stay in peoples minds and they would view him as a maverick. Johnson had 2 speeches prepared before the Referendum depending which side won. Ever the opportunist. How could anyone take him seriously at a negotiating table? He's ready to change like the wind as long as he's the benefactor. I'm amazed how he's taken people in with this. Staggering...
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Post by starkiller on Aug 28, 2019 5:45:22 GMT
Johnson had 2 speeches prepared before the Referendum depending which side won. Ever the opportunist. How could anyone take him seriously at a negotiating table? He's ready to change like the wind as long as he's the benefactor. I'm amazed how he's taken people in with this. Staggering... Regardless of personal beliefs or gain, Parliament should act on the result of the referendum. The Remoaner cult have other ideas.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 28, 2019 7:24:15 GMT
Johnson had 2 speeches prepared before the Referendum depending which side won. Ever the opportunist. How could anyone take him seriously at a negotiating table? He's ready to change like the wind as long as he's the benefactor. I'm amazed how he's taken people in with this. Staggering... Amazing isn't it , he's doing a good job so far isn't he? I think people like to see a bit of positive leadership and to get behind someone with some enthusiasm for the UK and democracy. I'd imagine that he will win over a few neutrals because of the contrast with those rag tag bunch of anti democratic moaners from the other parties, don't you? Remains to be seen what actually transpires though.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 28, 2019 8:33:39 GMT
Johnson. Johnson was a keen remainer until he saw a possibility for his own career then changed sides in the run up to the referendum. His reckoning was there was little chance of leave winning the referendum but his own strance would stay in peoples minds and they would view him as a maverick. Johnson had 2 speeches prepared before the Referendum depending which side won. Ever the opportunist. How could anyone take him seriously at a negotiating table? He's ready to change like the wind as long as he's the benefactor. Another remainer myth, there were no two speeches. He wrote articles pro staying in the EU and pro leaving the EU, he then decided leaving was the best option, writing the articles was his way of considering the pros and cons. I expect many people did similar, leaving the EU was never something I spent alot of time considering before the referendum but given the choice I decided it was leave now or never so I voted out, obviously I didn't look into I just decided based on a bus and because of russian dark money on facebook etc etc
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 28, 2019 8:34:21 GMT
So the cunt is proroguing parliament then.
We have been taken over by a fat dictator.
Let the civil disobedience begin.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 28, 2019 8:46:26 GMT
if the Remainers get their way and the UK stays in the EU it may be that the UK is perceived with derision and as a laughing stock on the world stage. This once great country whose people voted to leave the German and French led EU but couldn't and were made to stay, having huffed and puffed but came to heel. Germany and France would then be seen as the leaders of Europe and would be able to exert greater power and control......A question for Remainers .. " if the EU made it clear that they now wanted us to join the Euro, accept Schengen, no more opt outs ( and that is what they would like).... would you be ok with that?..... To be full members of the EU, to play our part. .
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Aug 28, 2019 8:46:29 GMT
So the cunt is proroguing parliament then. We have been taken over by a fat dictator. Let the civil disobedience begin. Alternatively, he's doing his best to deliver the referendum result against an undemocratic parliament.
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Post by stokiemac on Aug 28, 2019 8:47:07 GMT
So the cunt is proroguing parliament then. We have been taken over by a fat dictator. Let the civil disobedience begin. And what's worse is the fucking zombies will cheer it on like he's some war hero.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 28, 2019 8:47:29 GMT
So the cunt is proroguing parliament then. We have been taken over by a fat dictator. Let the civil disobedience begin. Alternatively, he's doing his best to deliver the referendum result against an undemocratic parliament. Yeah what he's doing is the very essence of democracy. Fuck me.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Aug 28, 2019 8:48:17 GMT
What this move does, is focus the minds of the EU. As long as the EU believes that Parliament will stop a no deal, then it has no incentive to budge.
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Post by stokiemac on Aug 28, 2019 8:49:14 GMT
So the cunt is proroguing parliament then. We have been taken over by a fat dictator. Let the civil disobedience begin. Alternatively, he's doing his best to deliver the referendum result against an undemocratic parliament. There is no obligation to leave the EU on the referendum...that actual referendum said that on it for fucks sake...the only lack of democracy here is happening in front of your eyes as this unelected scrotum bag asks that democratically elected MP's do not get to have a say
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 28, 2019 8:50:01 GMT
So the cunt is proroguing parliament then. We have been taken over by a fat dictator. Let the civil disobedience begin. This will force a no confidence vote which he'll lose. Parliament won't agree on Corbyn as leader of interim emergency government so there will be a general election called which Boris has been preparing for, especially now they've brought forward the spending review which will have many sweeteners.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 28, 2019 8:50:46 GMT
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 28, 2019 8:53:15 GMT
if the Remainers get their way and the UK stays in the EU it may be that the UK is perceived with derision and as a laughing stock on the world stage. This once great country whose people voted to leave the German and French led EU but couldn't and were made to stay, having huffed and puffed but came to heel. Germany and France would then be seen as the leaders of Europe and would be able to exert greater power and control......A question for Remainers .. " if the EU made it clear that they now wanted us to join the Euro, accept Schengen, no more opt outs ( and that is what they would like).... would you be ok with that?..... To be full members of the EU, to play our part. . I'd probably be OK with it. I'd vote for it against suspending democracy to leave the EU without a deal, although if the 'full EU' option were up against leaving the EU with a deal (and not having to suspend British democracy in order to do it) then at this point in time I'd vote probably vote to leave (given the result of the 2016 referendum). I guess, like most decisions in life, "being OK" with something depends on the alternative. IF the alternative was stickingt to what we had (opt outs etc), then I'd prefer that.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 28, 2019 8:58:37 GMT
Good on him the blame for this lies firmly at the door of the coward remainers for undermining the democratic vote. Two things will happen it will concentrate minds to get a last minute deal or we leave with no deal. All this political posturing has backfired because we have a man of courage and conviction. There are no methods or time to delay leaving now call my bluff and he's won.
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