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Post by smallthorner on Jul 19, 2019 18:22:37 GMT
Top top post. Well said that man👍 That confirms it then🤭 Confirms what?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 19, 2019 18:24:13 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 19, 2019 18:28:23 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 19, 2019 18:30:21 GMT
I was talking in the abstract
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Post by Northy on Jul 19, 2019 18:34:19 GMT
For those who may have followed the Darren Grimes case. Irrespective of Brexit, this seems like overkill and a waste of taxpayers money particularly in light of other injustices. Yes, been following it, it's a massive verdict against the establishment
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 19, 2019 18:37:30 GMT
I was talking in the abstract Just tell me what you are on about?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 19, 2019 18:47:08 GMT
I was talking in the abstract Just tell me what you are on about? I think I mean that you are confirming "I don't care about the result now. I'm happy to leave, stay or whatever. Just don't pretend that the whole thing wasn't based on lies, as you're losing your credibility. We've always had independence, democracy and sovereignty so no point trying to market it as a new concept. It's precisely because we have these that we got to the leave vote in the first place". ......but Im not sure
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 19, 2019 18:51:03 GMT
Just tell me what you are on about? I think I mean that you are confirming "I don't care about the result now. I'm happy to leave, stay or whatever. Just don't pretend that the whole thing wasn't based on lies, as you're losing your credibility. We've always had independence, democracy and sovereignty so no point trying to market it as a new concept. It's precisely because we have these that we got to the leave vote in the first place". ......but Im not sure That's correct. I 100% agree with what foster has said in his last two posts. Is that ok?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 19, 2019 18:52:36 GMT
I think I mean that you are confirming "I don't care about the result now. I'm happy to leave, stay or whatever. Just don't pretend that the whole thing wasn't based on lies, as you're losing your credibility. We've always had independence, democracy and sovereignty so no point trying to market it as a new concept. It's precisely because we have these that we got to the leave vote in the first place". ......but Im not sure That's correct. I 100% agree with what foster has said in his last two posts. Is that ok? That confirms it then.
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 19, 2019 18:55:31 GMT
That's correct. I 100% agree with what foster has said in his last two posts. Is that ok? That confirms it then. 😳
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 19, 2019 19:02:07 GMT
I was talking in the abstract Genuine "LOL" at that. Brilliant, BigJohn!
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 19, 2019 19:13:51 GMT
I think I mean that you are confirming "I don't care about the result now. I'm happy to leave, stay or whatever. Just don't pretend that the whole thing wasn't based on lies, as you're losing your credibility. We've always had independence, democracy and sovereignty so no point trying to market it as a new concept. It's precisely because we have these that we got to the leave vote in the first place". ......but Im not sure That's correct. I 100% agree with what foster has said in his last two posts. Is that ok? It's the EUs verrtion of democracy that's the problem . The long term objective is political , economic , military union . This is not in question , they've saiid as much . The issue is democracy and accountability. Three of the most powerful positions within the EU have been purely coronations , selmayr , laggard, Von de leyen have been appointed on the back of back room deals in Berlin and Paris . The president of the EU was voted into power with only her name on the ballot paper . If this happened in Zimbabwe or Syria the International observers would roundly condemn the process . This open contempt for the nations of Europe is frankly unbelievable in the 21st century not to mention dangerous
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 19, 2019 19:20:54 GMT
That's correct. I 100% agree with what foster has said in his last two posts. Is that ok? It's the EUs verrtion of democracy that's the problem . The long term objective is political , economic , military union . This is not in question , they've saiid as much . The issue is democracy and accountability. Three of the most powerful positions within the EU have been purely coronations , selmayr , laggard, Von de leyen have been appointed on the back of back room deals in Berlin and Paris . The president of the EU was voted into power with only her name on the ballot paper . If this happened in Zimbabwe or Syria the International observers would roundly condemn the process . This open contempt for the nations of Europe is frankly unbelievable in the 21st century not to mention dangerous Very similar to Boris Johnson being crowned PM without a vote or mandate and having virtual control over our country without any checks and balances.
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 19, 2019 19:27:28 GMT
It's the EUs verrtion of democracy that's the problem . The long term objective is political , economic , military union . This is not in question , they've saiid as much . The issue is democracy and accountability. Three of the most powerful positions within the EU have been purely coronations , selmayr , laggard, Von de leyen have been appointed on the back of back room deals in Berlin and Paris . The president of the EU was voted into power with only her name on the ballot paper . If this happened in Zimbabwe or Syria the International observers would roundly condemn the process . This open contempt for the nations of Europe is frankly unbelievable in the 21st century not to mention dangerous Very similar to Boris Johnson being crowned PM without a vote or mandate and having virtual control over our country without any checks and balances. Not similar at all , Johnson has been through a democratic selection process , he will. Be accountable to Parliament . He will have to go before the electorate in the not too distant future . How iiis that similar
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 19, 2019 19:29:22 GMT
Very similar to Boris Johnson being crowned PM without a vote or mandate and having virtual control over our country without any checks and balances. Not similar at all , Johnson has been through a democratic selection process , he will. Be accountable to Parliament . He will have to go before the electorate in the not too distant future . How iiis that similar 150,000 tory members. Very democratic.
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 19, 2019 19:32:23 GMT
Not similar at all , Johnson has been through a democratic selection process , he will. Be accountable to Parliament . He will have to go before the electorate in the not too distant future . How iiis that similar 150,000 tory members. Very democratic. A bit like momentum holding up labours failing leadership
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 19, 2019 19:34:56 GMT
Not similar at all , Johnson has been through a democratic selection process , he will. Be accountable to Parliament . He will have to go before the electorate in the not too distant future . How iiis that similar 150,000 tory members. Very democratic. Gordon Brown had a grubby little pact with Blair didn't he? At least the Tories made some effort at democracy when replacing May.
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 19, 2019 19:35:54 GMT
As I've said , everyone should want a " deal" but only if it is a genuine " deal" that honours the referendum.....we are allowed not to be in the EU without a deal. It's now about honesty, truth democracy and honour... I don't think that you are right at all that " a deal" was at the forethought of anyone's mind( paraphrase) in the arguments...the main issue was " not to be in the EU" Come on.. The main issues weren't to just leave the EU. They were to reduce immigration (tied into terrorism), free up jobs for British people and transfer 350m per week of EU payments to the NHS. These are just 3 untruths used to get people to vote leave. They served their purpose but will never actually be applied in real life. The majority of people in Stoke on Trent voted to leave the EU because of these reasons. Immigration Queues in the hospital behind Poles and Romanians And the promise of 350 million in the NHS They couldn't give a fook about sovereignty.
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 19, 2019 19:37:31 GMT
150,000 tory members. Very democratic. Gordon Brown had a grubby little pact with Blair didn't he? At least the Tories made some effort at democracy when replacing May. They also got rid of her. When it. Was required.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 19, 2019 19:44:11 GMT
Come on.. The main issues weren't to just leave the EU. They were to reduce immigration (tied into terrorism), free up jobs for British people and transfer 350m per week of EU payments to the NHS. These are just 3 untruths used to get people to vote leave. They served their purpose but will never actually be applied in real life. The majority of people in Stoke on Trent voted to leave the EU because of these reasons. Immigration Queues in the hospital behind Poles and Romanians And the promise of 350 million in the NHS They couldn't give a fook about sovereignty. I don't think so....more patriotic than you give them credit for. But they are entitled to their vote just like anyone else aren't they for whatever reason they wish. Leave won and Remainers can't accept it and keep moaning ( don't you?)
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 19, 2019 19:57:46 GMT
For those who may have followed the Darren Grimes case. Irrespective of Brexit, this seems like overkill and a waste of taxpayers money particularly in light of other injustices. Yes, been following it, it's a massive verdict against the establishment
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 19, 2019 19:59:10 GMT
The majority of people in Stoke on Trent voted to leave the EU because of these reasons. Immigration Queues in the hospital behind Poles and Romanians And the promise of 350 million in the NHS They couldn't give a fook about sovereignty. I don't think so....more patriotic than you give them credit for. But they are entitled to their vote just like anyone else aren't they for whatever reason they wish. Leave won and Remainers can't accept it and keep moaning ( don't you?) Are you talking in the abstract? Or just confirming it.? I'm not moaning. Just stating fact. You and your UKIP chums have set the seeds for decades of isolation and austerity for the UK. The final bill for this mind-blowing, stupid, zero thought out pantomime will rest on the workers and tax payers of this country for a long time. Well done.
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 19, 2019 20:00:58 GMT
Come on.. The main issues weren't to just leave the EU. They were to reduce immigration (tied into terrorism), free up jobs for British people and transfer 350m per week of EU payments to the NHS. These are just 3 untruths used to get people to vote leave. They served their purpose but will never actually be applied in real life. The majority of people in Stoke on Trent voted to leave the EU because of these reasons. Immigration Queues in the hospital behind Poles and Romanians And the promise of 350 million in the NHS They couldn't give a fook about sovereignty. Even if they are the reasons they voted to leave, who are you to patronise them?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 19, 2019 20:04:42 GMT
I don't think so....more patriotic than you give them credit for. But they are entitled to their vote just like anyone else aren't they for whatever reason they wish. Leave won and Remainers can't accept it and keep moaning ( don't you?) Are you talking in the abstract? Or just confirming it.? I'm not moaning. Just stating fact. You and your UKIP chums have set the seeds for decades of isolation and austerity for the UK. The final bill for this mind-blowing, stupid, zero thought out pantomime will rest on the workers and tax payers of this country for a long time. Well done. As I say moaning and can't accept that some people might make a different choice to you. And a great predictor of the future ( or is that more " fear"?)
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 19, 2019 20:09:23 GMT
The majority of people in Stoke on Trent voted to leave the EU because of these reasons. Immigration Queues in the hospital behind Poles and Romanians And the promise of 350 million in the NHS They couldn't give a fook about sovereignty. Even if they are the reasons they voted to leave, who are you to patronise them? Whose patronising? They are the reasons and it's their decision. The point I'm making is that it's got very little to do with sovereignty. All this shite about taking back control.. yeh..right. Your average Joe in Stoke is concerned about getting a decent paid job and his children getting the best and quickest health and dental care. Not who is being voted President of the European Council.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 19, 2019 20:24:05 GMT
Even if they are the reasons they voted to leave, who are you to patronise them? Whose patronising? They are the reasons and it's their decision. The point I'm making is that it's got very little to do with sovereignty. All this shite about taking back control.. yeh..right. Your average Joe in Stoke is concerned about getting a decent paid job and his children getting the best and quickest health and dental care. Not who is being voted President of the European Council. And they don't want the UK to be in the EU
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 19, 2019 20:29:40 GMT
Whose patronising? They are the reasons and it's their decision. The point I'm making is that it's got very little to do with sovereignty. All this shite about taking back control.. yeh..right. Your average Joe in Stoke is concerned about getting a decent paid job and his children getting the best and quickest health and dental care. Not who is being voted President of the European Council. And they don't want the UK to be in the EU Yes. Of course. 52% of the referendum voters don't want to be in the EU. Fact.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 20:30:29 GMT
Come on.. The main issues weren't to just leave the EU. They were to reduce immigration (tied into terrorism), free up jobs for British people and transfer 350m per week of EU payments to the NHS. These are just 3 untruths used to get people to vote leave. They served their purpose but will never actually be applied in real life. The majority of people in Stoke on Trent voted to leave the EU because of these reasons. Immigration Queues in the hospital behind Poles and Romanians And the promise of 350 million in the NHS They couldn't give a fook about sovereignty. Strange that of all the people I know that voted leave, none voted to leave because of a promise of 350 million for the nhs
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 19, 2019 20:36:56 GMT
And they don't want the UK to be in the EU Yes. Of course. 52% of the referendum voters don't want to be in the EU. Fact. Correct, the majority. Particularly in Stoke on Trent
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 19, 2019 20:43:15 GMT
Yes. Of course. 52% of the referendum voters don't want to be in the EU. Fact. Correct, the majority. Particularly in Stoke on Trent Yes.. We're a real patriotic bunch round here.
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