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Post by 4372 on Jun 20, 2019 22:49:45 GMT
I ask you to look again at your earlier post. You appeared to say that manufacturing had been decimated over the past 45 years because of the actions of the EU. If you are not saying that, all is good.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 21, 2019 7:50:28 GMT
I ask you to look again at your earlier post. You appeared to say that manufacturing had been decimated over the past 45 years because of the actions of the EU. If you are not saying that, all is good. I have a confession my original post where I said the EU had lead to the decimation of manufacturing was a porkie, a lie, a deliberate post to provoke. It was to make a point because I knew that one of the remainers would jump straight in and say it's nothing to do with the EU. OK let's look at things 45years of membership has done nothing to protect jobs in the UK, ceramic, steel, coal all gone. Now you're right I said it was the EU, and you're right I can't say that. There is no evidence to suggest that. It's just the way the world goes. Peaks and troughs the FT goes up and down. However remainers keep telling everyone that for the last 3 years every job lost was down to Brexit, now this is important. It might not be Brexit it might just be time for said company to fail, circumstances. When we leave the EU remainers keep telling everyone that millions of jobs will be lost, chaos. Again though you have already said the EU has no effect on jobs. So pre Brexit it was circumstances post Brexit defo the EU. In the last 45 years jobs and firms have failed people have lost their jobs. The EU has done nothing to help, leaving is the same unfortunately jobs will go regardless. It is a lie to suggest leaving the EU will bring chaos it's already happened over 45 years. It's evolution, life, peak, troughs paying billions to the EU club has made no difference and leaving will make no difference. That my friend is the point but I'm sorry you fell for it. The remainer chaos theory is a LIE because you can't make a connection, in or out makes no difference.
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Post by henry on Jun 21, 2019 8:04:31 GMT
Another week, another pro Labour audience on Question Time. That Labour women spouting 14 million people living in poverty, they really are the party of embarrassment.
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Post by 4372 on Jun 21, 2019 8:30:21 GMT
It is quite simple,you are now making a virtue of your error of thought. I was simply asking you if you could back up your assertion that UK manufacturing had been in decline because of the actions of the EU. No,it seems, you could not. It would be easy enough to say that you had not got the evidence to back up the asssertion. Instead you demean yourself by developing an alternative, antagonistic, response.
I do not know if the EU ever caused the decline of manufacturing in the UK. Nor do you,it seems. I simply asked you if you could back up your claim,by reference to research.
So far as post-Brexit is concerned,I am not an economist, I do not know whether there will be more jobs or not. It seems to me that employment opportunities and working conditions have been changed far more by global issues and by the actions of the UK government, not the EU. I do not consider zero hours contracts or "gig economy" jobs to be as good as traditional employment. As far as I know, these recent trends are not the result of EU intervention. I do fear,that without the EU, future workers will be at the mercy of the initiatives of UK Tory governments and the pattern of employment will deteriorate further. I recall listening in horror to John Baron MP on a recent radio programme as he outlined his hopes for a "flexible" employment policy after Brexit. John Baron made his fortune in Banking and Asset Management, he certainly did not have in mind the benefits of traditional forms of employment for the people of Stoke On Trent as he made that speech.
I have related on this thread before the reasons why I will always be a supporter of the EU, and employment does not feature in my list. Even I though, can see that you have been sold a pup by the Brexit leaders. Do you really think that the people of Stoke On Trent will be better off as a result of this self-inflicted wound. That,my friend is my point.I am sorry you fell for the lies of the Brexit leaders.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 21, 2019 9:03:54 GMT
It is quite simple,you are now making a virtue of your error of thought. I was simply asking you if you could back up your assertion that UK manufacturing had been in decline because of the actions of the EU. No,it seems, you could not. It would be easy enough to say that you had not got the evidence to back up the asssertion. Instead you demean yourself by developing an alternative, antagonistic, response. I do not know if the EU ever caused the decline of manufacturing in the UK. Nor do you,it seems. I simply asked you if you could back up your claim,by reference to research. So far as post-Brexit is concerned,I am not an economist, I do not know whether there will be more jobs or not. It seems to me that employment opportunities and working conditions have been changed far more by global issues and by the actions of the UK government, not the EU. I do not consider zero hours contracts or "gig economy" jobs to be as good as traditional employment. As far as I know, these recent trends are not the result of EU intervention. I do fear,that without the EU, future workers will be at the mercy of the initiatives of UK Tory governments and the pattern of employment will deteriorate further. I recall listening in horror to John Baron MP on a recent radio programme as he outlined his hopes for a "flexible" employment policy after Brexit. John Baron made his fortune in Banking and Asset Management, he certainly did not have in mind the benefits of traditional forms of employment for the people of Stoke On Trent as he made that speech. I have related on this thread before the reasons why I will always be a supporter of the EU, and employment does not feature in my list. Even I though, can see that you have been sold a pup by the Brexit leaders. Do you really think that the people of Stoke On Trent will be better off as a result of this self-inflicted wound. That,my friend is my point.I am sorry you fell for the lies of the Brexit leaders. First off what antagonism was there towards you? Lie. I already said sorry that it was you who fell for it hardly antagonistic. Now, You've made my point!! being in or out of the EU will makes no difference. Nothing to do with any of the other nonesence. Read your own post you quoted me saying the EU had no bearing in job loses, not a question. But remainers keep saying Brexit will mean jobs lost both in the last three years and after. Specifically Brexit related you now say that's not the case. I agree world economic circumstances change and you can't say Brexit is to blame in the same way I can't. I agree but you/ remainers WON'T say that! It's not hard really Brexit has and will make NO difference to jobs in the UK. So why do we keep being told it will, even you say it's not correct. More damage to the UK has been done by cheap imports from the far East, Asia. What has the EU done to protect the UK from this? Answer=Nothing. However the EU has given aid to EU competitors to enable them to compete with us,the result is we suffer because we can't make are own rules and decisions and out bid them. No competition all the same it has driven us out of the market we can't compete with cheaper workers. Even in the labour force they have undermined UK workers by making it compulsory for us to allow anyone to come and work here. It drives wages down not up, another EU lead lie that they are good for wages. After all said and done I told a lie you fell for it but are now trying to dig yourself out of it. You can't have both sides if the coin it's what's called honestly, I'm honest in saying the EU will make no difference to the job markets remainers won't.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2019 10:57:42 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Jun 21, 2019 11:01:48 GMT
Another week, another pro Labour audience on Question Time. That Labour women spouting 14 million people living in poverty, they really are the party of embarrassment. Why is that not correct? Seeing as over 25% of children in SOT are classified as being in poverty Im surprised that you cannot see it on the streets.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 21, 2019 11:08:33 GMT
That Labour women spouting 14 million people living in poverty, they really are the party of embarrassment. Why is that not correct? Seeing as over 25% of children in SOT are classified as being in poverty Im surprised that you cannot see it on the streets. Bacause not having a PS4 is not poverty.
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Post by Eggybread on Jun 21, 2019 11:12:56 GMT
Why is that not correct? Seeing as over 25% of children in SOT are classified as being in poverty Im surprised that you cannot see it on the streets. Bacause not having a PS4 is not poverty. I think the world health organisation know a little more about it than you my friend. Stoke has the highest teenage conception in the UK for under 18s and under 16s and the fourth lowest for life expectancy.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jun 21, 2019 11:16:55 GMT
Why is that not correct? Seeing as over 25% of children in SOT are classified as being in poverty Im surprised that you cannot see it on the streets. Bacause not having a PS4 is not poverty. You forgot the 50 inch flat screen TV. Never forget the flat screen TV!
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 21, 2019 11:17:25 GMT
Bacause not having a PS4 is not poverty. I think the world health organisation know a little more about it than you my friend. The point I was making is about who says what is poverty. Not they are wrong in their statistics just in their conclusion and definition of poverty.
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 21, 2019 11:18:05 GMT
Bacause not having a PS4 is not poverty. You forgot the 50 inch flat screen TV. Never forget the flat screen TV! Correct Dave glad you agree😉
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 21, 2019 12:00:06 GMT
Bacause not having a PS4 is not poverty. I think the world health organisation know a little more about it than you my friend. Stoke has the highest teenage conception in the UK for under 18s and under 16s and the fourth lowest for life expectancy. I thought condoms were free at health centres?
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Post by henry on Jun 21, 2019 12:58:39 GMT
That Labour women spouting 14 million people living in poverty, they really are the party of embarrassment. Why is that not correct? Seeing as over 25% of children in SOT are classified as being in poverty Im surprised that you cannot see it on the streets. Classified by who ? a left wing think tank ?. 1 in 4 kids living in poverty - fuck right off. Just because Ruth Smeeth has a leaflet printed saying loads of kids are going to school without food in their bellies doesn't make it so.
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Post by stokiemac on Jun 21, 2019 13:25:57 GMT
Why is that not correct? Seeing as over 25% of children in SOT are classified as being in poverty Im surprised that you cannot see it on the streets. Classified by who ? a left wing think tank ?. 1 in 4 kids living in poverty - fuck right off. Just because Ruth Smeeth has a leaflet printed saying loads of kids are going to school without food in their bellies doesn't make it so. Poverty has lots of definitions mainly because of the various contexts but a more accepted one is when your financial situation excludes you from activities that the rest of us would consider reasonable to expect. So consider what you think the bare minimum a child born in the fifth largest world economy can expect from life e.g. clothes, access to basic technology etc...below that line is reasonably considered poverty
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 21, 2019 13:56:17 GMT
Classified by who ? a left wing think tank ?. 1 in 4 kids living in poverty - fuck right off. Just because Ruth Smeeth has a leaflet printed saying loads of kids are going to school without food in their bellies doesn't make it so. Poverty has lots of definitions mainly because of the various contexts but a more accepted one is when your financial situation excludes you from activities that the rest of us would consider reasonable to expect. So consider what you think the bare minimum a child born in the fifth largest world economy can expect from life e.g. clothes, access to basic technology etc...below that line is reasonably considered poverty The measure they use here is relative poverty which they assess as being the case if your income is less than 55% of the average / median for the uk, there are issues with it for example from 2010 after the financial crash poverty rates fell because everyone got poorer.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 22, 2019 6:54:10 GMT
Imagine being this hysterical.
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 22, 2019 6:57:21 GMT
Imagine being this hysterical. If you can’t feel the tensions of conflict, you need a retune
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 13:15:30 GMT
Imagine being this hysterical. UK 4 Europe? The Brexit party is for that too Straaaaaaange
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Jun 22, 2019 15:18:13 GMT
Good job we kept our own currency despite the warnings of catastrophe if we didn't accept the euro As I've said before on this thread - I've not met one remainer, or heard any remain voter ever who said they want to join the Euro. They won't have a choice once the Lisbon Treaty kicks in.....
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jun 22, 2019 15:38:46 GMT
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 22, 2019 15:49:46 GMT
Why is that not correct? Seeing as over 25% of children in SOT are classified as being in poverty Im surprised that you cannot see it on the streets. Classified by who ? a left wing think tank ?. 1 in 4 kids living in poverty - fuck right off. Just because Ruth Smeeth has a leaflet printed saying loads of kids are going to school without food in their bellies doesn't make it so. From my experience as a teacher for 14 years most kids who turn up for school without having breakfast do so by choice. They then buy Relentless, Red Bull, Full Throttle and other energy drinks to try and sustain them through the day. I did teach at a small special school for delinquent kids and they often were from families too poor or couldn’t be arsed to provide breakfast. This was a school of some 15 kids and we provided breakfast and lunch for them as part of the curriculum.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 22, 2019 19:59:51 GMT
Imagine being this hysterical. 😂
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 2:29:44 GMT
Not the most articulate way of putting it, but he is unbiased and calls it how he sees it and how the majority see it.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jun 23, 2019 6:39:25 GMT
Not the most articulate way of putting it, but he is unbiased and calls it how he sees it and how the majority see it. The majority on this board maybe. Definitely maybe.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 23, 2019 7:36:35 GMT
Not the most articulate way of putting it, but he is unbiased and calls it how he sees it and how the majority see it. Should be a bit quieter on here soon as those visas for North Korea come through
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 23, 2019 8:42:15 GMT
Not the most articulate way of putting it, but he is unbiased and calls it how he sees it and how the majority see it. The majority on this board maybe. Definitely maybe. The majority of the population who could be arsed to vote definitely did in a democratic referendum.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 23, 2019 10:13:24 GMT
The Lisbon treaty no one voted for or had a say on in fact Brown and Blair didnt even give the referendum they promised on it but its brexit that is illegimate.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 23, 2019 10:43:45 GMT
The Lisbon treaty no one voted for or had a say on in fact Brown and Blair didnt even give the referendum they promised on it but its brexit that is illegimate. Blair was more devious than that. The 2007 Treaty of The European Union, a rehash of the 1992 Maastricht Treaty, was intended to be voted on across EU nations. But after it was rejected outright by France and The Netherlands this momentum was halted when Blair cancelled the referendum in U.K. Ireland also voted it down but were made to hold a second referendum in order to "get it right". The EU commissioners simply reworded the Treaty, renamed it the Treaty of Lisbon and installed it without further referendum in 2009.
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Post by hoffgreen on Jun 23, 2019 11:06:26 GMT
The Lisbon treaty no one voted for or had a say on in fact Brown and Blair didnt even give the referendum they promised on it but its brexit that is illegimate. Blair was more devious than that. The 2007 Treaty of The European Union, a rehash of the 1992 Maastricht Treaty, was intended to be voted on across EU nations. But after it was rejected outright by France and The Netherlands this momentum was halted when Blair cancelled the referendum in U.K. Ireland also voted it down but were made to hold a second referendum in order to "get it right". The EU commissioners simply reworded the Treaty, renamed it the Treaty of Lisbon and installed it without further referendum in 2009. My hate for the EU is summed up in those treaties.... The sooner we are out of this globalist shit storm the better.
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