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Post by harryburrows on May 29, 2019 12:29:01 GMT
FYI: fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/£350 million a week doesn’t include the rebate
It’s been claimed that we send £350 million a week to the EU. That misses out the rebate, and it doesn’t represent the total economic costs and benefits of EU membership to the UK.
£350 million is roughly what we would pay to the EU budget without the rebate. The UK actually paid closer to £250 million a week.
Ok so over a billion a month not too bad then 😉
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Post by franklin66 on May 29, 2019 12:30:03 GMT
FYI: fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/£350 million a week doesn’t include the rebate
It’s been claimed that we send £350 million a week to the EU. That misses out the rebate, and it doesn’t represent the total economic costs and benefits of EU membership to the UK.
£350 million is roughly what we would pay to the EU budget without the rebate. The UK actually paid closer to £250 million a week.
So the figure is correct, I wonder when all the remainers are in court for saying leave means recession 🤔
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Post by thevoid on May 29, 2019 12:41:30 GMT
Regardless of what was written on the bus, my opinion hasn't changed.
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Post by salopstick on May 29, 2019 13:01:57 GMT
FYI: fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/£350 million a week doesn’t include the rebate
It’s been claimed that we send £350 million a week to the EU. That misses out the rebate, and it doesn’t represent the total economic costs and benefits of EU membership to the UK.
£350 million is roughly what we would pay to the EU budget without the rebate. The UK actually paid closer to £250 million a week.
So the figure is correct, I wonder when all the remainers are in court for saying leave means recession 🤔 Or leave means peoples vote
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 13:04:01 GMT
Regardless of what was written on the bus, my opinion hasn't changed. Mine has - I'm even more determined now that we should leave than I was at the time of the referendum !
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Post by yeokel on May 29, 2019 13:14:19 GMT
Isn't the Bilderberg meeting happening in the next couple of days.... The globalist snakes assemble And I see this year's meeting is in Montreux, Switzerland. A country famed for its openness and non-secretive traditions.
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Post by hoffgreen on May 29, 2019 13:35:40 GMT
Isn't the Bilderberg meeting happening in the next couple of days.... The globalist snakes assemble And I see this year's meeting is in Montreux, Switzerland. A country famed for its openness and non-secretive traditions. Isn't Switzerland the country where they have a few banks....Sure I heard that somewhere
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 29, 2019 13:51:53 GMT
Brexit: Boris Johnson ordered to appear in court over £350m claim linkWatch out for that iceberg. It will go nowhere I think that you are correct Salop, with the publicity I think that it will work out in Boris's favour.. he will get all the attention in the leadership race and I don't think that the prosecution will get anywhere.
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Post by auntiegeorge on May 29, 2019 14:48:36 GMT
If Boris has been summonsed to court for his figures then why hasn't George Osborne? He made a claim that a vote for Brexit would result in unemployment rising by between 500,000 and 800,000 within two years. In the event, unemployment has fallen to a 45 year low. Osborne's claim can now be proven to have been incorrect. Boris's figure of £350 million cannot - at least not yet.
Politics can not and should not be fought in the courts. Politics is exempt from the same laws which protect us from commerce. Governments regularly excuse themselves from their own legislation when it suits them, but this is not a matter for the courts. If it were we would hand huge power to the wealthy, and the left needs to recognise that.
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Post by Davef on May 29, 2019 15:38:45 GMT
If Boris has been summonsed to court for his figures then why hasn't George Osborne? He made a claim that a vote for Brexit would result in unemployment rising by between 500,000 and 800,000 within two years. In the event, unemployment has fallen to a 45 year low. Osborne's claim can now be proven to have been incorrect. Boris's figure of £350 million cannot - at least not yet. Because it's a private prosecution, targeting one individual. If someone wants to bring up a private prosecution against Osborne or any other politician, then they're free to do so.
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Post by auntiegeorge on May 29, 2019 15:43:00 GMT
If Boris has been summonsed to court for his figures then why hasn't George Osborne? He made a claim that a vote for Brexit would result in unemployment rising by between 500,000 and 800,000 within two years. In the event, unemployment has fallen to a 45 year low. Osborne's claim can now be proven to have been incorrect. Boris's figure of £350 million cannot - at least not yet. Because it's a private prosecution, targeting one individual. If someone wants to bring up a private prosecution against Osborne or any other politician, then they're free to do so. It was a rhetorical question. I was making a statement.
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Post by Davef on May 29, 2019 15:55:45 GMT
Because it's a private prosecution, targeting one individual. If someone wants to bring up a private prosecution against Osborne or any other politician, then they're free to do so. It was a rhetorical question. I was making a statement. Fair enough. The difference though is that you could argue that Osborne made a prediction. Johnson made a statement that he knew full well wasn't true. Not that I agree with this prosecution though. It won't lead to anything and will be just a complete waste of money.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 16:06:13 GMT
How is what boris said false?
We pay the eu350 million a week
Let’s fund our nhs instead
What are they disputing?
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 29, 2019 16:14:59 GMT
How is what boris said false? We pay the eu350 million a week Let’s fund our nhs instead What are they disputing? The figure, I think. But they would have to prove he knew it was a lie. It's obvious what it's really about, though.
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Post by salopstick on May 29, 2019 16:43:45 GMT
How is what boris said false? We pay the eu350 million a week Let’s fund our nhs instead What are they disputing? The figure, I think. But they would have to prove he knew it was a lie. It's obvious what it's really about, though. The rebate is a funny old thing. Does it go back to the treasury? Does it fund Eu projects regardless if the money could be better spent elsewhere? The truth is before rebate our bill is £350m per week the fine detail you can argue about all day and be just as confused trying to research it. It was one of those statements that is essentially true with loads of caveats. It’s just a publicity stunt
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 16:48:53 GMT
How is what boris said false? We pay the eu350 million a week Let’s fund our nhs instead What are they disputing? The figure, I think. But they would have to prove he knew it was a lie. It's obvious what it's really about, though. I thought so. what a load of bollocks. They should lock the guy up who thought of it on saying that, it would be good if they locked him up and all the rest of the politicians up for being full of shit
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Post by bathstoke on May 29, 2019 16:50:58 GMT
Will leaving the EU be like leaving London or NewYork. In that we’d never be able to afford to move back again once we’ve left...
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Post by franklin66 on May 29, 2019 16:51:17 GMT
The figure, I think. But they would have to prove he knew it was a lie. It's obvious what it's really about, though. The rebate is a funny old thing. Does it go back to the treasury? Does it fund Eu projects regardless if the money could be better spent elsewhere? The truth is before rebate our bill is £350m per week the fine detail you can argue about all day and be just as confused trying to research it. It was one of those statements that is essentially true with loads of caveats. It’s just a publicity stunt Spot on that is 100% what it was, we give money we could use on the NHS they give some back but to soap dodgers and pink farmers.
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Post by followyoudown on May 29, 2019 16:59:11 GMT
How is what boris said false? We pay the eu350 million a week Let’s fund our nhs instead What are they disputing? Brilliant timing by the remainers just as talk of no deal brexit becomes more popular lets remind people exactly how much we do pay, free advert for Boris to be next Tory PM and Nigel can then talk about them having a second or third go to try and overturn the result of the referendum
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 17:01:02 GMT
Will leaving the EU be like leaving London or NewYork. In that we’d never be able to afford to move back again once we’ve left... I don’t know if you’ve noticed “our” channel is full of little boats risking life and limb travelling from France to Blighty dont think any have been rescued heading the other way yet 😁
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Post by xchpotter on May 29, 2019 17:11:30 GMT
All good stuff re Boris....means we are getting closer to getting out if this is being resorted to. The more shit they throw at anyone Leave, the more it shows they are rattled and believe we are getting out. More please.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 29, 2019 17:19:26 GMT
Taking Boris to court does really open a can of worms. Politicians notoriously "mis-speak",May has recently spoken in the abstract."To be economical with the truth" seems to be ok, sometimes. To prove that a politician has deliberately lied or genuinely believes something ( perhaps misled themselves). Does an apology make it all ok? It's increasingly hard to know what the truth is. The facts/ causes of climate change are difficult to establish. Just because he is a confident smoothie Cleggy , in my opinion, has got away with murder( not literally) www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/sep/19/nick-clegg-apologies-tuition-fees-pledge
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 17:19:47 GMT
As soon as I heard this, I smelled a rat. To me, the string pullers' are at it again!
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Post by numpty40 on May 29, 2019 17:29:19 GMT
If Boris has been summonsed to court for his figures then why hasn't George Osborne? He made a claim that a vote for Brexit would result in unemployment rising by between 500,000 and 800,000 within two years. In the event, unemployment has fallen to a 45 year low. Osborne's claim can now be proven to have been incorrect. Boris's figure of £350 million cannot - at least not yet. Because it's a private prosecution, targeting one individual. If someone wants to bring up a private prosecution against Osborne or any other politician, then they're free to do so. The cynic in me thinks Boris has a hand in this. Let's all focus on how much the UK actually pays to the EU😊. Surely no remainer wants these figures revisiting just as Boris makes a claim to lead the Tories?? Then again maybe the remainers haven't a fucking clue??
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Post by franklin66 on May 29, 2019 17:36:24 GMT
As soon as I heard this, I smelled a rat. To me, the string pullers' are at it again! It's just pathetic as Clegg and any number of others have proved. When will Blair and Campbell be prosecuted over the Iraq war lie?
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Post by franklin66 on May 29, 2019 17:39:49 GMT
Was Boris the only person on that bus?
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Post by mrcoke on May 29, 2019 18:02:09 GMT
Will leaving the EU be like leaving London or NewYork. In that we’d never be able to afford to move back again once we’ve left... Not sure if that comment was made in jest, or a rhetorical question. Your point is very relevant though as if we changed our mind, I'm sure the EU leaders would consider it a major triumph are start the process of curtailing the rebate Thatcher negotiated. In the case of rejoining the EU, we would rejoin on whatever terms are negotiated at the time. What is more relevant today is that we have still not negotiated a leave agreement. We have agreed to maintain the trade status quo until a new agreement is made in the next 2 years. The EU will expect a lot in those negotiations, such as keeping fishing rights, and bar the UK from making trade agreements with none EU countries. IMO we must demand a better deal, such as making trade deals with USA, China, Canada, Switzerland (one of our biggest trade partners), and anyone else, or threaten to crash out, which I'm confident the leaders of Germany, Ireland, Netherlands, Belgium, and Italy would step in to prevent.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 18:20:58 GMT
Extract from article in the Independent _______________________
Brussels is moving to break up the team that negotiated Theresa May’s Brexit deal, in the most concrete sign yet that the EU has absolutely no intention of reopening talks on the treaty. Sabine Weyand, the brains behind the withdrawal agreement, will be leaving the European Commission’s Article 50 taskforce next week to start a new job running the EU’s trade department.
Last year, she sparked Brexiteer fury after telling EU ambassadors that the bloc would “retain its leverage” over Britain in any Brexit deal. Ms Weyand told a secret meeting: “We should be in the best negotiating position for the future relationship. This requires the customs union as the basis of the future relationship. The British must align their rules but the EU will retain all the controls. They apply the same rules. The UK wants a lot more from the future relationship, so the EU retains its leverage and will be in a very strong position to get exactly what we want.”
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We should just tell them that we're leaving on 31st October on WTO unless they come up with a suitable deal ! Oh, and they can reach down the back of the other 27 countries sofas to try to raise the £39 billion that we wouldn't be paying them !
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Post by bathstoke on May 29, 2019 18:29:50 GMT
Extract from article in the Independent _______________________ Brussels is moving to break up the team that negotiated Theresa May’s Brexit deal, in the most concrete sign yet that the EU has absolutely no intention of reopening talks on the treaty. Sabine Weyand, the brains behind the withdrawal agreement, will be leaving the European Commission’s Article 50 taskforce next week to start a new job running the EU’s trade department. Last year, she sparked Brexiteer fury after telling EU ambassadors that the bloc would “retain its leverage” over Britain in any Brexit deal. Ms Weyand told a secret meeting: “We should be in the best negotiating position for the future relationship. This requires the customs union as the basis of the future relationship. The British must align their rules but the EU will retain all the controls. They apply the same rules. The UK wants a lot more from the future relationship, so the EU retains its leverage and will be in a very strong position to get exactly what we want.” _____________________________ We should just tell them that we're leaving on 31st October on WTO unless they come up with a suitable deal ! Oh, and they can reach down the back of the other 27 countries sofas to try to raise the £39 billion that we wouldn't be paying them ! Look at it the other way. Brussels may prefer a deal, than not. This would be a way to save face with a new team at the helm
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 18:35:10 GMT
Extract from article in the Independent _______________________ Brussels is moving to break up the team that negotiated Theresa May’s Brexit deal, in the most concrete sign yet that the EU has absolutely no intention of reopening talks on the treaty. Sabine Weyand, the brains behind the withdrawal agreement, will be leaving the European Commission’s Article 50 taskforce next week to start a new job running the EU’s trade department. Last year, she sparked Brexiteer fury after telling EU ambassadors that the bloc would “retain its leverage” over Britain in any Brexit deal. Ms Weyand told a secret meeting: “We should be in the best negotiating position for the future relationship. This requires the customs union as the basis of the future relationship. The British must align their rules but the EU will retain all the controls. They apply the same rules. The UK wants a lot more from the future relationship, so the EU retains its leverage and will be in a very strong position to get exactly what we want.” _____________________________ We should just tell them that we're leaving on 31st October on WTO unless they come up with a suitable deal ! Oh, and they can reach down the back of the other 27 countries sofas to try to raise the £39 billion that we wouldn't be paying them ! Look at it the other way. Brussels may prefer a deal, than not. This would be a way to save face with a new team at the helm Possibly - but having read her previous comments about "leverage" and "control" I rather doubt it. They're out to rub our noses in it !
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