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Post by trickydicky73 on May 26, 2019 16:36:47 GMT
I genuinely believe Brexit will be a big fat negative for us all. However we should respect the result of the referendum and leave. Then we should have a referendum voting on rejoining. After how long?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 26, 2019 16:41:13 GMT
Do you think that any of the leadership candidates are really willing to leave without a deal? Probably not, but there needs to be a leader who will "persuade" the EU that it is in their best interests to agree a better deal for the UK. At the moment the EU believe they have got us over a barrel and are maintaining a disciplined united front. Unfortunately I don't think that leader is around. Mr Coke I don't think that the EU CAN ever be persuaded about a proper deal, agreed in good faith, because they cannot accept the Uk leaving for both Political and Economic reasons..... the very purpose of the project. They thought that they had got away with it with May, the appeaser and collaborator. That didn't work. We may have problems, but so do they. To leave without a deal would be devastating to them. Only by seriously carrying it out would we leave and be more likely to get a deal that would be " the best that they ( the EU) could hope for".
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Post by lordb on May 26, 2019 16:45:59 GMT
I genuinely believe Brexit will be a big fat negative for us all. However we should respect the result of the referendum and leave. Then we should have a referendum voting on rejoining. After how long? Mmm A week?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 26, 2019 16:48:36 GMT
A changeUK party candidate.
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Post by mrcoke on May 26, 2019 17:06:12 GMT
Probably not, but there needs to be a leader who will "persuade" the EU that it is in their best interests to agree a better deal for the UK. At the moment the EU believe they have got us over a barrel and are maintaining a disciplined united front. Unfortunately I don't think that leader is around. Mr Coke I don't think that the EU CAN ever be persuaded about a proper deal, agreed in good faith, because they cannot accept the Uk leaving for both Political and Economic reasons..... the very purpose of the project. They thought that they had got away with it with May, the appeaser and collaborator. That didn't work. We may have problems, but so do they. To leave without a deal would be devastating to them. Only by seriously carrying it out would we leave and be more likely to get a deal that would be " the best that they ( the EU) could hope for". I don't disagree! By "persuade" I mean talking to the main opinion leaders such as the German Chancellor (not the "monkeys" in Brussels) and spelling it out in unequivocal terms that we are leaving and they had best come to a better deal for the EU. Germany, Netherlands, and Belgium would be seriously damaged by us crashing out and Ireland do not want a hard border. I'm sure their governments would not stand by and let it happen and would step in at the 11th hour to thrash out a better deal for the UK.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 26, 2019 17:08:41 GMT
Mr Coke I don't think that the EU CAN ever be persuaded about a proper deal, agreed in good faith, because they cannot accept the Uk leaving for both Political and Economic reasons..... the very purpose of the project. They thought that they had got away with it with May, the appeaser and collaborator. That didn't work. We may have problems, but so do they. To leave without a deal would be devastating to them. Only by seriously carrying it out would we leave and be more likely to get a deal that would be " the best that they ( the EU) could hope for". I don't disagree! By "persuade" I mean talking to the main opinion leaders such as the German Chancellor (not the "monkeys" in Brussels) and spelling it out in unequivocal terms that we are leaving and they had best come to a better deal for the EU. Germany, Netherlands, and Belgium would be seriously damaged by us crashing out and Ireland do not want a hard border. I'm sure their governments would not stand by and let it happen and would step in at the 11th hour to thrash out a better deal for the UK. I see what you mean Mr,I agree ( i missed the inverted commas)
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Post by harryburrows on May 26, 2019 17:14:49 GMT
Mr Coke I don't think that the EU CAN ever be persuaded about a proper deal, agreed in good faith, because they cannot accept the Uk leaving for both Political and Economic reasons..... the very purpose of the project. They thought that they had got away with it with May, the appeaser and collaborator. That didn't work. We may have problems, but so do they. To leave without a deal would be devastating to them. Only by seriously carrying it out would we leave and be more likely to get a deal that would be " the best that they ( the EU) could hope for". I don't disagree! By "persuade" I mean talking to the main opinion leaders such as the German Chancellor (not the "monkeys" in Brussels) and spelling it out in unequivocal terms that we are leaving and they had best come to a better deal for the EU. Germany, Netherlands, and Belgium would be seriously damaged by us crashing out and Ireland do not want a hard border. I'm sure their governments would not stand by and let it happen and would step in at the 11th hour to thrash out a better deal for the UK. I think a border of some sought in Ireland is inevitable . Whilllst the main reason for border controls is supposed to be about trade , if we are serious about ending free movement we will need to control our external borders
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 26, 2019 17:20:05 GMT
Another thing has occurred to me. Why would any politician take us out of the EU if it is definitely detrimental, and potentially disastrous to the country? What would be in it for them?
Wouldn't they be destroyed politically if these predictions came true?
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Post by smallthorner on May 26, 2019 17:23:40 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on May 26, 2019 17:32:42 GMT
A changeUK party candidate. Is it a bird Is it a plane NO ITS EURO SPERM
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 26, 2019 18:08:09 GMT
John McDonnell: "I'll do anything I can to stop a No Deal Brexit". How about not triggering Article 50, John?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 26, 2019 18:26:05 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 26, 2019 18:29:09 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 26, 2019 18:33:28 GMT
Can of worms, mate. But a perfectly valid question, that people have run away from for too long.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 19:11:16 GMT
I see that lunatic Verhofstadt appears at the end of that article. He said he will “never” allow the UK to control its own borders, claiming a system based on allowing in professionals and people with the skills the nation needs amounts to “discrimination". That's very good to know Guy - thanks for clarifying that for us ! And he wonders why we voted to Leave !
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 26, 2019 21:15:14 GMT
Are you naive to believe that any money saved from the EU would go to good causes? It's a shame the mo ey gi en to the dup wasn't given to the nhs Aye up 4putts! Where have you been? Prison? Anyway, you do realise that the £1Bn that the Government committed to improving social infrastructure in Northern Ireland is what 'we' pay into the NHS every 72 hours? But that's OK because you think the NHS is 'free' right?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 26, 2019 21:17:27 GMT
Are Labour going to be the biggest losers tonight?
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 26, 2019 21:20:45 GMT
Are Labour going to be the biggest losers tonight? Touch and go, Roger.
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Post by questionable on May 26, 2019 21:24:08 GMT
Are Labour going to be the biggest losers tonight? Without doubt based on SKY
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Post by followyoudown on May 26, 2019 22:55:29 GMT
Are Labour going to be the biggest tossers tonight?
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 26, 2019 23:26:34 GMT
How long will Corbyn last?
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Post by thevoid on May 26, 2019 23:44:08 GMT
Labour still behind the Tories in Scotland- that's got to be an achievement of sorts.
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Post by mrcoke on May 27, 2019 0:21:34 GMT
WE ARE STILL AN ATTRACTIVE COUNTRY FOR SOME PEOPLE: SUN front page: Exclusive WHAT A WAIST World's former fattest man, now 40st, moving back to UK for £100k of NHS care . PAUL Mason moved to America after slimming down from 70st to 19st. However, his weight ballooned again when he began 'comfort-eating' after a break-up and now he can't afford to pay US medical bills. The former postie will demand more than £100,000 of free treatments involving multiple surgeries and counselling for his food addiction. www.thesun.co.uk/news/When I had a serious, painful eye infection is Paris about 10 years ago, after being seen in triage, I had to stand in a queue at the hospital treasury and pay for my treatment before they would treat me. I then went back to the doctor in the casualty dept. with my receipt to receive treatment.
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Post by partickpotter on May 27, 2019 11:29:14 GMT
Labour still behind the Tories in Scotland- that's got to be an achievement of sorts. Labour are in a desperate fankle up here. The big issue up here is not Brexit though. It's independence. The big question in Scotland is; is there now enough support to win an independence vote? The answer, frustratingly for the SNP, who on the face of it did astonishingly well winning 38% of the vote, is No. Their problem is being the largest party is not enough in itself. They need more than 50% of the vote in favour of independence. On this occasion, independence parties secured 46% basically unchanged from the vote in 2014. Anyway, back to your point, Labour look like a busted flush in Scotland. They desperately need a good leader to turn their fortunes round. And they haven't been able to find one of any calibre in recent times.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 27, 2019 15:02:40 GMT
Labour still behind the Tories in Scotland- that's got to be an achievement of sorts. Labour are in a desperate fankle up here. The big issue up here is not Brexit though. It's independence. The big question in Scotland is; is there now enough support to win an independence vote? The answer, frustratingly for the SNP, who on the face of it did astonishingly well winning 38% of the vote, is No. Their problem is being the largest party is not enough in itself. They need more than 50% of the vote in favour of independence. On this occasion, independence parties secured 46% basically unchanged from the vote in 2014. Anyway, back to your point, Labour look like a busted flush in Scotland. They desperately need a good leader to turn their fortunes round. And they haven't been able to find one of any calibre in recent times. Fankle. Are you now a naturalised Scot, Partick?
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Post by felonious on May 27, 2019 16:12:15 GMT
Labour still behind the Tories in Scotland- that's got to be an achievement of sorts. Labour are in a desperate fankle up here. The big issue up here is not Brexit though. It's independence. The big question in Scotland is; is there now enough support to win an independence vote? The answer, frustratingly for the SNP, who on the face of it did astonishingly well winning 38% of the vote, is No. Their problem is being the largest party is not enough in itself. They need more than 50% of the vote in favour of independence. On this occasion, independence parties secured 46% basically unchanged from the vote in 2014. Anyway, back to your point, Labour look like a busted flush in Scotland. They desperately need a good leader to turn their fortunes round. And they haven't been able to find one of any calibre in recent times. The point was made last night on the BBC that the SNP had asked voters to lend them their vote to stop Brexit therefore making them unable to use the results as a reason for another independence referendum.
Do you not think that the Union is doomed Partick? The SNP refer to Westminster as a body that has no care for Scotland. Like Brexit the genie is out of the bottle.
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Post by felonious on May 27, 2019 16:16:49 GMT
Labour are in a desperate fankle up here. The big issue up here is not Brexit though. It's independence. The big question in Scotland is; is there now enough support to win an independence vote? The answer, frustratingly for the SNP, who on the face of it did astonishingly well winning 38% of the vote, is No. Their problem is being the largest party is not enough in itself. They need more than 50% of the vote in favour of independence. On this occasion, independence parties secured 46% basically unchanged from the vote in 2014. Anyway, back to your point, Labour look like a busted flush in Scotland. They desperately need a good leader to turn their fortunes round. And they haven't been able to find one of any calibre in recent times. Fankle. Are you now a naturalised Scot, Partick? Cracking word. You've just transported me back to Lanzarote last December. One of the girls asked the English (Manchester) barman for a decent nightclub and he pointed and said "about 50 yards up that ginnel"
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Post by partickpotter on May 27, 2019 16:35:54 GMT
Labour are in a desperate fankle up here. The big issue up here is not Brexit though. It's independence. The big question in Scotland is; is there now enough support to win an independence vote? The answer, frustratingly for the SNP, who on the face of it did astonishingly well winning 38% of the vote, is No. Their problem is being the largest party is not enough in itself. They need more than 50% of the vote in favour of independence. On this occasion, independence parties secured 46% basically unchanged from the vote in 2014. Anyway, back to your point, Labour look like a busted flush in Scotland. They desperately need a good leader to turn their fortunes round. And they haven't been able to find one of any calibre in recent times. Fankle. Are you now a naturalised Scot, Partick? In September this year I'll have been living in Scotland for 30 years. It's my home. But I'm English through and through. Whatever that means!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 17:03:45 GMT
We Will Never Allow UK to Choose Immigration Policy, Says EU Brexit BossIs exactly why No Deal should never have been taken off the table. Not just an EU issue either looking at those figures. What gets me more than anything, Infrastructure argument aside(Correct as it is we cant cope) - Why do we need these people to come here? And if we don't need them here, then why on earth are they permitted to stay past a holiday...
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Post by partickpotter on May 27, 2019 17:11:42 GMT
Labour are in a desperate fankle up here. The big issue up here is not Brexit though. It's independence. The big question in Scotland is; is there now enough support to win an independence vote? The answer, frustratingly for the SNP, who on the face of it did astonishingly well winning 38% of the vote, is No. Their problem is being the largest party is not enough in itself. They need more than 50% of the vote in favour of independence. On this occasion, independence parties secured 46% basically unchanged from the vote in 2014. Anyway, back to your point, Labour look like a busted flush in Scotland. They desperately need a good leader to turn their fortunes round. And they haven't been able to find one of any calibre in recent times. The point was made last night on the BBC that the SNP had asked voters to lend them their vote to stop Brexit therefore making them unable to use the results as a reason for another independence referendum.
Do you not think that the Union is doomed Partick? The SNP refer to Westminster as a body that has no care for Scotland. Like Brexit the genie is out of the bottle.
No - I don't think so. The SNP have done nothing to address the problems that caused their defeat last time - specifically on the question of currency and the economy generally. In addition the white paper they produced for the 2014 referendum hasn't, to put it mildly, stood the test of time very well. Plus add to that Salmondgate and the travails of a third term government being unable to blame previous administrations for poor performance in areas like education and health (both of which are devolved powers). On the face of it, their argument seems much weaker now than previously. So their strategy seems to me to be to ratchet up the Westminster grievance agenda as high as it can go. The problem is, that hasn't shown any signs of working. The pro-Indy vote has stuck at 45%. Which, as mentioned above, is what they got in these elections. They now seem to be hoping BoJo that if becomes the new PM, that will be enough to boost the Indy vote. I think that is more hope than expectation though despite their bluster.
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