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Post by auntiegeorge on May 21, 2019 20:19:34 GMT
What you need Musik is your very own Niels Faragesson to shake up the system. Is there no anti-EU party at all in Sweden?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 21, 2019 20:23:04 GMT
In addition to losing respect for MPs on the basis of honour and truth, self interest and loyalty, lack of leadership and vision....the basic decision making is way off mark ( unless it is entirely deliberate)....…... there is no way another Referendum will heal wounds or give a more decisive outcome than we already have... unless of course the question is rigged. Ridiculous decision making in my opinion.... the only real course that honours the Referendum result and gives certainty is to leave without a " deal" If Leave won a second referendum 60-40 it would be a more decisive outcome than 52-48 wouldn't it?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 20:28:45 GMT
Excellent Brexit Party rally tonight at Olympia - huge crowd and all the MEP candidates were there.
After watching all the machinations and lies of the duplicitous career politicians of all parties over the past few years, it really is a welcome breath of fresh air to see the Brexit Party candidates.
Hopefully the party can win big in these EU and then go on to win in Peterborough on 6th June.
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Post by questionable on May 21, 2019 20:34:27 GMT
Excellent Brexit Party rally tonight at Olympia - huge crowd and all the MEP candidates were there. After watching all the machinations and lies of the duplicitous career politicians of all parties over the past few years, it really is a welcome breath of fresh air to see the Brexit Party candidates. Hopefully the party can win big in these EU and then go on to win in Peterborough on 6th June. There’s 4 in our household getting our votes
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 21, 2019 20:37:55 GMT
In addition to losing respect for MPs on the basis of honour and truth, self interest and loyalty, lack of leadership and vision....the basic decision making is way off mark ( unless it is entirely deliberate)....…... there is no way another Referendum will heal wounds or give a more decisive outcome than we already have... unless of course the question is rigged. Ridiculous decision making in my opinion.... the only real course that honours the Referendum result and gives certainty is to leave without a " deal" If Leave won a second referendum 60-40 it would be a more decisive outcome than 52-48 wouldn't it? . Depends on the question though. And like a football match 9-8, 1-0, 7-1...it's the same result.. that's what the Referendum was, as everyone knew, a decision making mechanism...the decision was to leave. And of course IF is an important word.... other results are possible
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Post by questionable on May 21, 2019 20:46:28 GMT
Surely to God we can’t even think about a second vote, Politics is as bent as hell with a bunch stuck up wankers representing nobody but themselves and trying to protect their livelihoods, nothing more.
Politics is beyond repair
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 20:51:15 GMT
I think the shysters will vote May's "bold deal" down irrespective of what is or isn't in it.
Sourberry was on the Politics show on Monday lunchtime and she said if it came down to No Deal on 31st October then she and many other M.P.s would vote to revoke A50. She said that this had "always been the end game" for many M.P.s - in other words they've carefully voted against everything and manoeuvred things to ultimately get their desired result.
Jo Coburn asked how they could be sure, and Sourberry said "we can do what we want, when we want, very quickly if necessary".
She said there was no way the M.P.s would allow No Deal Brexit to happen.
Hopefully a big Brexit Party win in the EU Elections might make these shysters have a rethink !
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Post by musik on May 21, 2019 20:59:49 GMT
What you need Musik is your very own Niels Faragesson to shake up the system. Is there no anti-EU party at all in Sweden? Not really, not for the coming decades at least. There are only some very small anti-EU-parties. porridge, lingonberry, milk//:musik
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 21:04:38 GMT
What you need Musik is your very own Niels Faragesson to shake up the system. Is there no anti-EU party at all in Sweden? Not really, not for the coming decades at least. There are only some very small anti-EU-parties. porridge, lingonberry, milk//:musik Musik, Is everyone in Sweden truly happy to remain in the EU ?
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 21, 2019 21:07:11 GMT
From what I've been reading in the last half hour, Tory MPs are already deserting May by the dozen. And Labour won't support it. It looks like it won't go through. Yet this deal is pretty much everything Labour wants, May is useless but whatever she does, whenever she moves to give into the remainers they just then ask for something else most of those 650 fukkers have no intention on allowing any sort of brexit. And their preference for a Customs Union is the worst of all worlds, apparently, because the EU controls all our trade deals. Even Blair said we would be better off either totally in or totally out. For once I agree with the twat.
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 21, 2019 21:12:23 GMT
In addition to losing respect for MPs on the basis of honour and truth, self interest and loyalty, lack of leadership and vision....the basic decision making is way off mark ( unless it is entirely deliberate)....…... there is no way another Referendum will heal wounds or give a more decisive outcome than we already have... unless of course the question is rigged. Ridiculous decision making in my opinion.... the only real course that honours the Referendum result and gives certainty is to leave without a " deal" If Leave won a second referendum 60-40 it would be a more decisive outcome than 52-48 wouldn't it? But would it be any less disastrous? Brexit, I mean. What would the politicians say "Fucking hell, they still want it, but it's even clearer, now!"? Not buying it. The only reason for a second referendum is to stop Brexit.
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Post by auntiegeorge on May 21, 2019 21:18:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 21:22:12 GMT
In addition to losing respect for MPs on the basis of honour and truth, self interest and loyalty, lack of leadership and vision....the basic decision making is way off mark ( unless it is entirely deliberate)....…... there is no way another Referendum will heal wounds or give a more decisive outcome than we already have... unless of course the question is rigged. Ridiculous decision making in my opinion.... the only real course that honours the Referendum result and gives certainty is to leave without a " deal" If Leave won a second referendum 60-40 it would be a more decisive outcome than 52-48 wouldn't it? Even if that happened Westminster still wouldn’t allow a no deal if it was 51 - 49 remain they’d honour it and you know it
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Post by franklin66 on May 21, 2019 21:22:47 GMT
If Leave won a second referendum 60-40 it would be a more decisive outcome than 52-48 wouldn't it? But would it be any less disastrous? Brexit, I mean. What would the politicians say "Fucking hell, they still want it, but it's even clearer, now!"? Not buying it. The only reason for a second referendum is to stop Brexit. If remain is an option then that is 100% what it will be. IF there is deal or no deal then I would have no objections at all. Remain must not feature in a second referendum because it will win by default regardless of the other options. It can not be remain or leave because that's been done. So it must be on what basis we leave, any three option ballot will mean a remain win. So no problem with a second referendum have as many as you want but there will be riots if remain is included.
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Post by questionable on May 21, 2019 21:29:05 GMT
I was wondering what the wrinkly old hag was doing by continually looking up to her left, at first o thought she was having some sort of seizure or reading a script board either way it was friggin annoying.
She’s totally lost the plot and her health will vastly deteriorate over the coming months given what she’s endured
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Post by questionable on May 21, 2019 21:37:00 GMT
But would it be any less disastrous? Brexit, I mean. What would the politicians say "Fucking hell, they still want it, but it's even clearer, now!"? Not buying it. The only reason for a second referendum is to stop Brexit. If remain is an option then that is 100% what it will be. IF there is deal or no deal then I would have no objections at all. Remain must not feature in a second referendum because it will win by default regardless of the other options. It can not be remain or leave because that's been done. So it must be on what basis we leave, any three option ballot will mean a remain win. So no problem with a second referendum have as many as you want but there will be riots if remain is included. I honestly think the inner cities will implode and class wars a common occurrence. Surely to God we can’t even contemplate remaining, we’ve put the vote to the public and the public have spoken. MP’s are already on some form of heightened Police list for protection, Christ knows how it would go if we ended up remaining
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Post by followyoudown on May 21, 2019 21:39:54 GMT
Yet this deal is pretty much everything Labour wants, May is useless but whatever she does, whenever she moves to give into the remainers they just then ask for something else most of those 650 fukkers have no intention on allowing any sort of brexit. And their preference for a Customs Union is the worst of all worlds, apparently, because the EU controls all our trade deals. Even Blair said we would be better off either totally in or totally out. For once I agree with the twat. Although to offer this 3 days before the Euro elections I have to wonder does she realise she is actively campaigning for the brexit party be amazed if she makes it past the results.
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 21, 2019 21:44:03 GMT
And their preference for a Customs Union is the worst of all worlds, apparently, because the EU controls all our trade deals. Even Blair said we would be better off either totally in or totally out. For once I agree with the twat. Although to offer this 3 days before the Euro elections I have to wonder does she realise she is actively campaigning for the brexit party be amazed if she makes it past the results. That can be her only motivation, to try and piss on Farage's chips? Fuck knows with her, though.
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Post by questionable on May 21, 2019 21:45:21 GMT
Farage will walk it, he is the only choice
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 21, 2019 21:47:26 GMT
If Leave won a second referendum 60-40 it would be a more decisive outcome than 52-48 wouldn't it? Even if that happened Westminster still wouldn’t allow a no deal if it was 51 - 49 remain they’d honour it and you know it If that had been the result I wonder what a soft Remain would look like.....still in .... but not in the SM,CU and not under the jurisdiction of the EuCtofJ and payments reduced to £500 per year?
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Post by LL Cool Dave on May 21, 2019 22:39:56 GMT
Fuck me, what a horrible specimen. I for once, actually feel for a brexiter. Thought he handled it quite well.
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Post by spitthedog on May 21, 2019 23:10:00 GMT
Fuck me, what a horrible specimen. I for once, actually feel for a brexiter. Thought he handled it quite well. I dont think either of them come out of it too well but she is horrific. How does someone get to be like that? I don't know what she thinks she will achieve by being in someone's face like that. It's totally counter-effective. She is totally possessed......that is a mental health issue. These people are making out as if the EU is the biggest injustice ever to inflict mankind....Come on...get some perspective. It's just crazy stuff.
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Post by desman2 on May 21, 2019 23:11:40 GMT
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Post by Absolution on May 22, 2019 1:42:04 GMT
Is it not just an itsy-bit surprising that Channel 4, the BBC and all the other such broadcasters don’t have to issue some sort of disclaimer or conflict of interest every time they discuss or broadcast any Brexit-related item? What concerns me a lot is that apart from Farage, many of the characters closely associated with the Brexit campaign never mention this. I mean, it’s a veritable open goal for them, yet they never raise it. Puzzling. One for the conspiracists maybe.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 6:16:06 GMT
It's very clear, and very worrying, when you see just exactly what Nigel Farage, the Brexit Party, and all of the Leave voters are up against in trying to get the Brexit we voted for. Indeed any form of Brexit seems impossible as "they" are hell bent on us remaining at all costs.
The entire system or establishment (call it what you will), the lying, duplicitous shysters in the House of Conmen, the devious, deceitful House of Frauds, the civil service, the disgraceful biased BBC, the openly biased C4 and the rest of the MSM, and the list goes on and on. Hence the increasing attacks, smear attempts, and vitriol.
"They" never thought we'd vote to leave, "they" never thought the Brexit Party would happen, and now "they" are terrified the "thick, racists and fascists" just won't lie down and be brow beaten into submission !
As Nigel Farage has said many times throughout this campaign this is now about much more than "just" Brexit, it's about democracy itself. The argument has been used many times but it's still very potent as a reminder of the shameful way we have been betrayed by those we elected to carry out the referendum result. All we have seen from them is the entire opposite in the way they've lied, argued, delayed, blocked, tried to overturn and basically thwarted Brexit at every opportunity. People like Soubry, Cooper, Letwin, Benn, May, Corbyn, Lidington, Grieve, Allen, Umunna, Wollaston etc, etc, etc tge list goes on and on.
They've said they'd honour and implement the result but have spent nearly three years doing exactly the opposite.
We can't let these bast*rds win ! We must keep up the fight for Brexit and democracy !
Go out on Thursday and vote for the Brexit Party !
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 22, 2019 6:23:41 GMT
Des, it's absolutely unbelievably that some non-UK remote unelected body has the power to " decide to approve" a UK broadcaster. The close relationship is known but clearly if there was any hint of criticism of the EU or of a slight Eurosceptic agenda by channel 4 then I am sure that approval would be witheld. Of course that wouldn't happen because the organisation is another mouthpiece for the EU. Perhaps it isn't unbelievable actually but in my opinion what is unbelievable is that those who think that they are on the left have in practice sacrificed any real decisive position or action and simply turn a blind eye to issues like this and democracy( this is part of it). Actually that isn't unbelievable I suppose. As long as we have a folk devil and accusations of racism can be thrown around they are satisfied. And of course the British taxpayer is paying a fortune to these Bureacrats to have a cushy lifestyle issuing propaganda to the UK. I'd there any one on the EE who is happy with this? Madness
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Post by henry on May 22, 2019 6:30:13 GMT
If Leave won a second referendum 60-40 it would be a more decisive outcome than 52-48 wouldn't it? But would it be any less disastrous? Brexit, I mean. What would the politicians say "Fucking hell, they still want it, but it's even clearer, now!"? Not buying it. The only reason for a second referendum is to stop Brexit. Nail on the fucking head. Westminster will not allow us to leave. It’s clear as day that democracy’s dead in this country. A second referendum my arse, if leave win AGAIN, it will be ignored AGAIN. The country stinks and people are happy to take it up the arse.
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Post by Northy on May 22, 2019 6:32:11 GMT
Her nickname - Lino
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Post by Northy on May 22, 2019 6:33:27 GMT
But would it be any less disastrous? Brexit, I mean. What would the politicians say "Fucking hell, they still want it, but it's even clearer, now!"? Not buying it. The only reason for a second referendum is to stop Brexit. Nail on the fucking head. Westminster will not allow us to leave. It’s clear as day that democracy’s dead in this country. A second referendum my arse, if leave win AGAIN, it will be ignored AGAIN. The country stinks and people are happy to take it up the arse.I dont think they do, they are being squashed if they try to raise their heads, but tomorrows vote should say something.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on May 22, 2019 6:35:42 GMT
Fuck me, what a horrible specimen. I for once, actually feel for a brexiter. Thought he handled it quite well. I dont think either of them come out of it too well but she is horrific. How does someone get to be like that? I don't know what she thinks she will achieve by being in someone's face like that. It's totally counter-effective. She is totally possessed......that is a mental health issue. These people are making out as if the EU is the biggest injustice ever to inflict mankind....Come on...get some perspective. It's just crazy stuff. This is what referendums do to people. They're very rarely good things for a country to have. A binary choice means you have to pick a side, which creates division. Pack in years and years of trumped up hysteria from the Mail, Express etc and this is the end product.
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