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Post by harryburrows on Dec 22, 2018 7:20:56 GMT
How can there be a new vote on something that hasn't even been attempted to be implemented? The very idea is an affront to the democratic process and an absolute mockery. This idea has been floated more and more to get people softened up to it. And it was mentioned from day one. There is no way to dress it up as anything other than it is. A total disregard for the largest mandate in British History. We are run by snakes. And the name 'People's Vote' is classic Orwellian communist doublespeak. Your wildly preposterous conspiracy theories are in fact starting to make sense š©
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Dec 22, 2018 8:56:43 GMT
In a slight perverse way I hope the MPs bottle it and end up remaining This country will become ungovernable with the rise in extremist parties both left and right It would be a touch ironic when the avid remainers are pissing there knickers worrying about the chaos they unleashed Remainers should be worried very worried Iām not sure they realise the anger that will be unleashed by ignoring the biggest ever vote this country has ever seen What would happen then if it were to be ignored, in your opinion?
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Dec 22, 2018 8:58:52 GMT
How can there be a new vote on something that hasn't even been attempted to be implemented? The very idea is an affront to the democratic process and an absolute mockery. This idea has been floated more and more to get people softened up to it. And it was mentioned from day one. There is no way to dress it up as anything other than it is. A total disregard for the largest mandate in British History. We are run by snakes. And the name 'People's Vote' is classic Orwellian communist doublespeak. We? Aren't you an Ex-Pat or Immigrant to use another term?
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 22, 2018 9:31:47 GMT
Hasnāt the Guardian been voted one of the most trustworthy newspapers in the world ? According to the Guardian, Bob Monkhouse was a cult Remember, the Guardian is also well known for typos.
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 22, 2018 10:14:42 GMT
Do you think May's Withdrawal Agreement is part of the "tough at first" period? Nah, weāre fucked either way .š This
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 22, 2018 10:16:04 GMT
In a slight perverse way I hope the MPs bottle it and end up remaining This country will become ungovernable with the rise in extremist parties both left and right It would be a touch ironic when the avid remainers are pissing there knickers worrying about the chaos they unleashed Remainers should be worried very worried Iām not sure they realise the anger that will be unleashed by ignoring the biggest ever vote this country has ever seen I think youāre overestimating brexitiers
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 22, 2018 10:29:22 GMT
In a slight perverse way I hope the MPs bottle it and end up remaining This country will become ungovernable with the rise in extremist parties both left and right It would be a touch ironic when the avid remainers are pissing there knickers worrying about the chaos they unleashed Remainers should be worried very worried Iām not sure they realise the anger that will be unleashed by ignoring the biggest ever vote this country has ever seen I think youāre overestimating brexitiers I may be slightly overestimating brexiters but not to the extent of remainers underestimating them All I am saying is beware the backlash if millions have there last hope taken away When the ballot box is denied them some will resort to other means It will only take some charismatic person either left or right to galvanise the people who feel betrayed And mainstream politics could be screwed for a lifetime
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 22, 2018 10:33:04 GMT
BREAKING: Labour has an 'official' policy on Brexit.
I'm sure Keir Starmer will be along shortly with the other official policy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 10:33:51 GMT
George Osborne sticking his nose into the situation now ! link
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 22, 2018 10:34:34 GMT
I think youāre overestimating brexitiers I may be slightly overestimating brexiters but not to the extent of remainers underestimating them All I am saying is beware the backlash if millions have there last hope taken away When the ballot box is denied them some will resort to other means It will only take some charismatic person either left or right to galvanise the people who feel betrayed And mainstream politics could be screwed for a lifetime Donāt worry Wag, Charisma is in short supply at the minute
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 22, 2018 10:46:42 GMT
BREAKING: Labour has an 'official' policy on Brexit. I'm sure Keir Starmer will be along shortly with the other official policy. ![(lol)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/lvpvZ64EmrkLcuVniUmo.gif) Is that policy now ALMOST everything is on the table
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 22, 2018 10:51:05 GMT
George Osborne sticking his nose into the situation now ! linkWell he was the next leader in waiting wasn't he ? . I wonder how he would have handled brexit had he assumed command
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 22, 2018 11:37:10 GMT
Do you think May's Withdrawal Agreement is part of the "tough at first" period? Nah, weāre fucked either way .š Well glad you agree we'll be fucked if we remain in the E.U. as well. So why are you so hell bent on staying when we have our destiny in our hands if we leave. Not saying leaving will be a bed of roses but at least we will be unshackled from the state of Europe. We just donāt know where we will end up either way but I damned sure I would prefer it as an independent country.
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Post by 4372 on Dec 22, 2018 12:49:00 GMT
Nah, weāre fucked either way .š Well glad you agree we'll be fucked if we remain in the E.U. as well. So why are you so hell bent on staying when we have our destiny in our hands if we leave. Not saying leaving will be a bed of roses but at least we will be unshackled from the state of Europe. We just donāt know where we will end up either way but I damned sure I would prefer it as an independent country. Three wars in the 75 years or so before the start of EU integration.No wars between EU member states in the last 70 years since its foundation. I know which I prefer.
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 22, 2018 13:03:06 GMT
Well glad you agree we'll be fucked if we remain in the E.U. as well. So why are you so hell bent on staying when we have our destiny in our hands if we leave. Not saying leaving will be a bed of roses but at least we will be unshackled from the state of Europe. We just donāt know where we will end up either way but I damned sure I would prefer it as an independent country. Three wars in the 75 years or so before the start of EU integration.No wars between EU member states in the last 70 years since its foundation. I know which I prefer. Thatās a hyperthetical position. Who knows whether wars would have taken place without the EU? Or you could use the same logic and say weāve had no wars because of NATO?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 13:03:15 GMT
Well glad you agree we'll be fucked if we remain in the E.U. as well. So why are you so hell bent on staying when we have our destiny in our hands if we leave. Not saying leaving will be a bed of roses but at least we will be unshackled from the state of Europe. We just donāt know where we will end up either way but I damned sure I would prefer it as an independent country. Three wars in the 75 years or so before the start of EU integration.No wars between EU member states in the last 70 years since its foundation. I know which I prefer. A little German tried to bring the whole of Europe under one flag once before Makes me question why so many had to lose their lives trying to stop it, when our youngsters today seem so up for having their democracy taken away so easily
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Post by ravey123 on Dec 22, 2018 13:06:46 GMT
Well glad you agree we'll be fucked if we remain in the E.U. as well. So why are you so hell bent on staying when we have our destiny in our hands if we leave. Not saying leaving will be a bed of roses but at least we will be unshackled from the state of Europe. We just donāt know where we will end up either way but I damned sure I would prefer it as an independent country. Three wars in the 75 years or so before the start of EU integration.No wars between EU member states in the last 70 years since its foundation. I know which I prefer. If you seriously think the the EU is the reason there have not been any wars in Europe I cant see it myself. I think its slightly more to do with the increase in democracy in countries in Europe (something the EU appear to be hellbent on stamping out). Also due to the lack of unelected dictators (something the EU re trying to aim to). The next war in Europe will be a civil war AGAINST the EU and we are better off out of it whilst we have the chance
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Post by 4372 on Dec 22, 2018 13:45:52 GMT
Now,I know that you are not really suggesting that there was no international relations before Hitler. So what are you suggesting?
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Post by 4372 on Dec 22, 2018 13:47:38 GMT
Three wars in the 75 years or so before the start of EU integration.No wars between EU member states in the last 70 years since its foundation. I know which I prefer. If you seriously think the the EU is the reason there have not been any wars in Europe I cant see it myself. I think its slightly more to do with the increase in democracy in countries in Europe (something the EU appear to be hellbent on stamping out). Also due to the lack of unelected dictators (something the EU re trying to aim to). The next war in Europe will be a civil war AGAINST the EU and we are better off out of it whilst we have the chance Have you got any facts on which to base that assertion?
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Post by 4372 on Dec 22, 2018 13:51:15 GMT
Three wars in the 75 years or so before the start of EU integration.No wars between EU member states in the last 70 years since its foundation. I know which I prefer. Thatās a hyperthetical position. Who knows whether wars would have taken place without the EU? Or you could use the same logic and say weāve had no wars because of NATO? Not at all a hypothetical position. If it is,I have been teaching modern history incorrectly for quite some time. Nato and the EU have both played a role in keeping the peace in Europe since 1945, and I am surprised that this is even in doubt.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 22, 2018 15:00:40 GMT
Well glad you agree we'll be fucked if we remain in the E.U. as well. So why are you so hell bent on staying when we have our destiny in our hands if we leave. Not saying leaving will be a bed of roses but at least we will be unshackled from the state of Europe. We just donāt know where we will end up either way but I damned sure I would prefer it as an independent country. Three wars in the 75 years or so before the start of EU integration.No wars between EU member states in the last 70 years since its foundation. I know which I prefer. Thatās pretty weak argument for remaining imo. Donāt you think that NATO has had something to do with peace, the nuclear deterrent, the biggest military power of the USA. To say that the E.U. has been the reason there has been no conflict is much like saying the British Commonwealth has kept the peace between member states. I would prefer the military protection of NATO alliance over the E.U. any day of the week.
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Post by prettything on Dec 22, 2018 15:11:42 GMT
Nah, weāre fucked either way .š Well glad you agree we'll be fucked if we remain in the E.U. as well. So why are you so hell bent on staying when we have our destiny in our hands if we leave. Not saying leaving will be a bed of roses but at least we will be unshackled from the state of Europe. We just donāt know where we will end up either way but I damned sure I would prefer it as an independent country. Iām not āhellbentā, I just donāt want another recession thank you very much. I donāt think we are āshackled ā by Europe . Africa has half the GDP of France! People say we will be free to trade with the rest of the world. Who with? 27 of the richest countries in the world are in the EU (Out of 35) Iām not willing to pay that price for future generations to come, Iām afraid.
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 22, 2018 16:43:46 GMT
Well glad you agree we'll be fucked if we remain in the E.U. as well. So why are you so hell bent on staying when we have our destiny in our hands if we leave. Not saying leaving will be a bed of roses but at least we will be unshackled from the state of Europe. We just donāt know where we will end up either way but I damned sure I would prefer it as an independent country. Iām not āhellbentā, I just donāt want another recession thank you very much. I donāt think we are āshackled ā by Europe . Africa has half the GDP of France! People say we will be free to trade with the rest of the world. Who with? 27 of the richest countries in the world are in the EU (Out of 35) Iām not willing to pay that price for future generations to come, Iām afraid. Recessions happen on a regular basis , we've had plenty whilst we've been in the EU and we will have them in the future .
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Post by prettything on Dec 22, 2018 16:44:38 GMT
Iām not āhellbentā, I just donāt want another recession thank you very much. I donāt think we are āshackled ā by Europe . Africa has half the GDP of France! People say we will be free to trade with the rest of the world. Who with? 27 of the richest countries in the world are in the EU (Out of 35) Iām not willing to pay that price for future generations to come, Iām afraid. Recessions happen on a regular basis , we've had plenty whilst we've been in the EU and we will have them in the future . This recession will be a completely different beast.
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 22, 2018 16:47:56 GMT
Recessions happen on a regular basis , we've had plenty whilst we've been in the EU and we will have them in the future . This recession will be a completely different beast. A recession is a fall in GDP for 2 successive quarters , that's all , it's not the apocalypse
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Post by prettything on Dec 22, 2018 16:54:12 GMT
Thatās not what the economists are saying.
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 22, 2018 16:56:31 GMT
Thatās not what the economists are saying. Well I disagree š
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Post by prettything on Dec 22, 2018 16:57:02 GMT
Are you an economist?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 22, 2018 17:08:00 GMT
Nothing to do with economics. It's now about Democracy. The electorate voted " out" The question is, despite the attempts to undermine it, will it be delivered? Most sensible people, on either side of the debate, know what the issues are. ( I don't think I've seen a positive argument for staying in the EU, plenty about scaremongering about leaving..as though countries can't exist outside of the EU). It's all about ...do we want to exist as a country or do we want to be absorbed into the United States of Europe.....OR do we want Democracy or rule by the elite. Do as you are told
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 22, 2018 17:13:46 GMT
Well glad you agree we'll be fucked if we remain in the E.U. as well. So why are you so hell bent on staying when we have our destiny in our hands if we leave. Not saying leaving will be a bed of roses but at least we will be unshackled from the state of Europe. We just donāt know where we will end up either way but I damned sure I would prefer it as an independent country. Iām not āhellbentā, I just donāt want another recession thank you very much. I donāt think we are āshackled ā by Europe . Africa has half the GDP of France! People say we will be free to trade with the rest of the world. Who with? 27 of the richest countries in the world are in the EU (Out of 35) Iām not willing to pay that price for future generations to come, Iām afraid. What's your point here? Why do remainers have this obsession with being "rich"? It's a combination of project fear, greed and complete nonsense. You must vote Conservative right? The pound in your pocket and making money is THE most important thing to you. If GDP floats your boat you must be a massive Trump fan right?. He's presided over an economic boost. If GDP is your thing then you'll be gagging for a trade deal with California who has a GDP similar to France and greater than India, Italy or Brazil. Or Texas which has a greater GDP than Canada, Russia, Spain or South Korea. US States v Countries GDP Also, your EU 27 richest out 35 is nonsense. World GDP
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