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Post by skemstokie on Jan 17, 2018 15:22:38 GMT
For the first and last time the £350m is not a lie. Is our gross contribution £350m a week, yes. In fact for the last full year, 2016 it was actually £375m a week. Leave campaigns slogan was based on the forecast for 2016, which turns out to be too low. Now. Do we 'send' £350m a week to the EU, no. Our rebate, thanks to Maggie, and other regional and seasonal financial commitments continually adjust figures but we do send a net figure. Boris actually said we would "take back control" of the £350m which is indeed correct. "And yes – once we have settled our accounts, we will take back control of roughly £350 million per week. It would be a fine thing, as many of us have pointed out, if a lot of that money went on the NHS, provided we use that cash injection to modernise and make the most of new technology." - Boris Johnson. FACTS The bus slogan was "We send the EU £350 million a week - let's fund our NHS instead. Lets take back control"
The word 'send' is incorrect. Lies lies and damned lies .
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 17, 2018 15:46:19 GMT
My leave slogan? I didn’t vote leave the European Union because a Tory told me that £350 could be better spent on the nhs I made my decision years before both sides started their bullshit campaigns You might have but loads believed that LIE, i have still got a vote remain on the back of my car and you would not believe how many people come up to me and say that was the reason they voted out. My local market had canvasser`s asking people if they would vote remain in a second referendum and there was a majority of those asked that would (mainly under 50 years of age ) the younger generation 18-30 group had a large number who had not voted but would vote remain if given another referendum. I doubt any of the 17,410,742 leave voters actually saw your car never mind the sticker on the back, to be fair.
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Post by skemstokie on Jan 17, 2018 15:48:14 GMT
You might have but loads believed that LIE, i have still got a vote remain on the back of my car and you would not believe how many people come up to me and say that was the reason they voted out. My local market had canvasser`s asking people if they would vote remain in a second referendum and there was a majority of those asked that would (mainly under 50 years of age ) the younger generation 18-30 group had a large number who had not voted but would vote remain if given another referendum. I doubt any of the 17,410,742 leave voters actually saw your car never mind the sticker on the back, to be fair. Well leave voters do tend to believe LIES more than the truth
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 17, 2018 15:52:39 GMT
I doubt any of the 17,410,742 leave voters actually saw your car never mind the sticker on the back, to be fair. Well leave voters do tend to believe LIES more than the truth So you lied about wanting to remain on your car sticker? What's the problem then, you got what you wanted
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Post by skemstokie on Jan 17, 2018 15:58:47 GMT
Well leave voters do tend to believe LIES more than the truth So you lied about wanting to remain on your car sticker? What's the problem then, you got what you wanted Believe me it is not over,it was a ADVISORY referendum and the tide is turning as the facts become clearer
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 17, 2018 16:01:47 GMT
So you lied about wanting to remain on your car sticker? What's the problem then, you got what you wanted Believe me it is not over,it was a ADVISORY referendum and the tide is turning as the facts become clearer As long as it makes you happy
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 17, 2018 16:24:10 GMT
My leave slogan? I didn’t vote leave the European Union because a Tory told me that £350 could be better spent on the nhs I made my decision years before both sides started their bullshit campaigns You might have but loads believed that LIE, i have still got a vote remain on the back of my car and you would not believe how many people come up to me and say that was the reason they voted out. My local market had canvasser`s asking people if they would vote remain in a second referendum and there was a majority of those asked that would (mainly under 50 years of age ) the younger generation 18-30 group had a large number who had not voted but would vote remain if given another referendum. Oh goody another remain clown who cannot acept the choice of the British people Another referendum don't make me laugh I truly hope you remain clowns try it It should add at least another 10% to the leave vote Why don't you remain voters complain about how many remain voters were conned by the government leaflet and tales of impending doom As for 18 to 30 year olds half of them will crawl back under there stones once they realise corbyn conned them
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Post by skemstokie on Jan 17, 2018 16:50:02 GMT
You might have but loads believed that LIE, i have still got a vote remain on the back of my car and you would not believe how many people come up to me and say that was the reason they voted out. My local market had canvasser`s asking people if they would vote remain in a second referendum and there was a majority of those asked that would (mainly under 50 years of age ) the younger generation 18-30 group had a large number who had not voted but would vote remain if given another referendum. Oh goody another remain clown who cannot acept the choice of the British people Another referendum don't make me laugh I truly hope you remain clowns try it It should add at least another 10% to the leave vote Why don't you remain voters complain about how many remain voters were conned by the government leaflet and tales of impending doom As for 18 to 30 year olds half of them will crawl back under there stones once they realise corbyn conned them Latest opinion polls 45% / 55%
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 17, 2018 16:57:15 GMT
Oh goody another remain clown who cannot acept the choice of the British people Another referendum don't make me laugh I truly hope you remain clowns try it It should add at least another 10% to the leave vote Why don't you remain voters complain about how many remain voters were conned by the government leaflet and tales of impending doom As for 18 to 30 year olds half of them will crawl back under there stones once they realise corbyn conned them Latest opinion polls 45% / 55% Who commissioned the poll ? Anyway irrelevant we are leaving and you can bleat all you like I would suggest you take up the offer of a eu passport
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Post by pearo on Jan 17, 2018 17:54:28 GMT
Oh goody another remain clown who cannot acept the choice of the British people Another referendum don't make me laugh I truly hope you remain clowns try it It should add at least another 10% to the leave vote Why don't you remain voters complain about how many remain voters were conned by the government leaflet and tales of impending doom As for 18 to 30 year olds half of them will crawl back under there stones once they realise corbyn conned them Latest opinion polls 45% / 55% Given the accuracy of opinion polls at the last 3 national votes I can understand why the Remainers are so excited
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Post by essexstokey on Jan 17, 2018 18:12:37 GMT
"The bottom line is that looking ahead, if Brexit doesn't work for young people in our country in the end it will not be sustainable.
"When they take their place here they will seek to improve or undo what we've done and make it work for them.
"So we do absolutely have a duty in this House to look ahead and ensure that whatever we get is sustainable and works for them."
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 17, 2018 18:35:07 GMT
Why slap tarrifs on half of our trading though? Makes no sense. Makes sense when we can take back control of our borders, laws etc. We do control them now
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 17, 2018 18:37:01 GMT
Why slap tarrifs on half of our trading though? Makes no sense. I'm not advocating 'slapping' any tariffs on. I'm quite in favour of unilateral imposing zero tariffs. As Digby Jones was saying the other day it would be the only trade deal in history where the two sides were trying to increase tariffs on trade. It's not a trade deal. It goes from being a member of the worlds largest and most comprehensive single market to WTO rules. No trade agreement. If we have a free trade agreement then great. But what will the cost be?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 17, 2018 19:13:05 GMT
I'm not advocating 'slapping' any tariffs on. I'm quite in favour of unilateral imposing zero tariffs. As Digby Jones was saying the other day it would be the only trade deal in history where the two sides were trying to increase tariffs on trade. It's not a trade deal. It goes from being a member of the worlds largest and most comprehensive single market to WTO rules. No trade agreement. If we have a free trade agreement then great. But what will the cost be? Shurrup you Mardarse.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 17, 2018 19:50:01 GMT
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 17, 2018 21:01:19 GMT
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jan 19, 2018 10:54:17 GMT
Link to Tweet incase it doesn't show.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 11:56:52 GMT
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Post by capto on Jan 19, 2018 12:30:24 GMT
The express? You read the express? LMFAO!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 19, 2018 12:39:45 GMT
Bundesbank Chief states wages in Germany are being kept low by EU migration - shocker! I think some of the Oatie Remoan 'experts' should tell him that they're all good for the economy
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 12:58:42 GMT
The express? You read the express? LMFAO! Yes, ever since I bought my nazi uniform and jackboots i stopped reading the guardian when I had my red beret with hammer and sickle badge stolen by some labour scruffy cunt, wearing a dirty suit and fashioning a flea infested grey beard Is that you Wolfie?
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Post by essexstokey on Jan 19, 2018 13:13:31 GMT
"The bottom line is that looking ahead, if Brexit doesn't work for young people in our country in the end it will not be sustainable. "When they take their place here they will seek to improve or undo what we've done and make it work for them. "So we do absolutely have a duty in this House to look ahead and ensure that whatever we get is sustainable and works for them." Was waiting for one of the tory boys to attack this lol when it came from one of there pin ups lol
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 19, 2018 14:40:03 GMT
I'd forgotten about Mutti Merkel and Germany not having a Government since last September. Funny how this is never, ever discussed in the UK MSM. Anyone would think they're trying to project a united Europe Anyway, there might be another election....
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 19, 2018 15:07:52 GMT
I'd forgotten about Mutti Merkel and Germany not having a Government since last September. Funny how this is never, ever discussed in the UK MSM. Anyone would think they're trying to project a united Europe Anyway, there might be another election.... Apart from when it's regularly discussed in The Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail when they like to make the most out of coalition discussions failing, almost as if they want to project a fractured Europe! By contrast, the agreement between CDU and SPD was covered in tiny detail on page 17! How do I know this? Because I read the Telegraph every day. They've regularly covered Merkel's travails. Or is the Telegraph not MSM in your eyes these days? Amazes me that people will just ignore what doesn't fit their agendas!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 19, 2018 18:15:20 GMT
I'd forgotten about Mutti Merkel and Germany not having a Government since last September. Funny how this is never, ever discussed in the UK MSM. Anyone would think they're trying to project a united Europe Anyway, there might be another election.... Apart from when it's regularly discussed in The Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail when they like to make the most out of coalition discussions failing, almost as if they want to project a fractured Europe! By contrast, the agreement between CDU and SPD was covered in tiny detail on page 17! How do I know this? Because I read the Telegraph every day. They've regularly covered Merkel's travails. Or is the Telegraph not MSM in your eyes these days? Amazes me that people will just ignore what doesn't fit their agendas! Maybe I should have written never ever discussed as the fucking huge problem/elephant in the room that this is. An absolute Mount Everest of a problem because a shift to the right among German voters has disrupted the EU's cosy club. And coming after the Dutch taking 9 months to form a Government because they were trying to avoid involving a right wing party. Not to mention Spain who's Government couldn't beat the voters with sticks and then couldn't beat them with votes. Let's not forget the Italian GE coming up in March with the anti-euro, anti-immigration parties coalition heading the polls lead by Silvio fucking Berlusconi !! Yeah. Nothing to see here.
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Post by harryburrows on Jan 19, 2018 18:20:25 GMT
Apart from when it's regularly discussed in The Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail when they like to make the most out of coalition discussions failing, almost as if they want to project a fractured Europe! By contrast, the agreement between CDU and SPD was covered in tiny detail on page 17! How do I know this? Because I read the Telegraph every day. They've regularly covered Merkel's travails. Or is the Telegraph not MSM in your eyes these days? Amazes me that people will just ignore what doesn't fit their agendas! Maybe I should have written never ever discussed as the fucking huge problem/elephant in the room that this is. An absolute Mount Everest of a problem because a shift to the right among German voters has disrupted the EU's cosy club. And coming after the Dutch taking 9 months to form a Government because they were trying to avoid involving a right wing party. Not to mention Spain who's Government couldn't beat the voters with sticks and then couldn't beat them with votes. Let's not forget the Italian GE coming up in March with the anti-euro, anti-immigration parties coalition heading the polls lead by Silvio fucking Berlusconi !! Yeah. Nothing to see here. Don't forget the Austrians
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 19, 2018 18:25:12 GMT
Bundesbank Chief states wages in Germany are being kept low by EU migration - shocker! I think some of the Oatie Remoan 'experts' should tell him that they're all good for the economy Immigration hasn't hurt wage increases that much as they are above average according to the article. And have a look in the article where it says that Germans are becoming so well off they are focusing on work life balance rather than pay increases. Have a look at Germany's ageing population. How on earth are they going to be paid for when they have retired and need care without immigration of young, working people. Immigration is not just good for Germany's overall economy, it is critical. And certainly worth the partial impact from migration on lowering wages which could be counteracted by increased minimum wage (which is set domestically).
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jan 19, 2018 18:28:47 GMT
Have a look at Germany's ageing population. How on earth are they going to be paid for when they have retired and need care without immigration of young, working people. Immigration is not just good for Germany's overall economy, it is critical. Just taking this point on it's own. Who is going to care for the immigrants when they get old?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 19, 2018 19:18:44 GMT
Bundesbank Chief states wages in Germany are being kept low by EU migration - shocker! I think some of the Oatie Remoan 'experts' should tell him that they're all good for the economy Immigration hasn't hurt wage increases that much as they are above average according to the article. And have a look in the article where it says that Germans are becoming so well off they are focusing on work life balance rather than pay increases. Have a look at Germany's ageing population. How on earth are they going to be paid for when they have retired and need care without immigration of young, working people. Immigration is not just good for Germany's overall economy, it is critical. And certainly worth the partial impact from migration on lowering wages which could be counteracted by increased minimum wage (which is set domestically). Why don't you re-read the article and repeat it accurately? "Wage rises in the eurozone’s largest economy are barely above long-term averages in spite of skills shortages". "Barely above". And this bit.... "The lack of wage growth is causing a problem for the ECB as it tries to scrap its crisis-era stimulus measures." Actually means the ECB are trying to stop printing extra euros by the billion because they know they're just artificially propping up a failed economic project. They've been printing 100's of billions and it's still on it's arse.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 19, 2018 20:45:18 GMT
Have a look at Germany's ageing population. How on earth are they going to be paid for when they have retired and need care without immigration of young, working people. Immigration is not just good for Germany's overall economy, it is critical. Just taking this point on it's own. Who is going to care for the immigrants when they get old? Ah, when that happens Europe will have to import millions of doctors and engineers from Asia and Africa because they add loads of taxes to the economy. But, that's in the future. Large scale mass immigration isn't needed yet......
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