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Post by foster on Dec 13, 2019 10:35:25 GMT
Just watching Johnson saying that we will now definitely come out ON January 31st. The bit I don't get, is why do we have to wait until 31st January? He's got a thumping big majority, so what's to stop him, as soon as the HOC returns, having a vote on his (oven ready) deal immediately? Isn't 31st January the legally agreed date Paul? If he knew that he wouldn't have asked the question
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 13, 2019 10:37:06 GMT
Just watching Johnson saying that we will now definitely come out ON January 31st. The bit I don't get, is why do we have to wait until 31st January? He's got a thumping big majority, so what's to stop him, as soon as the HOC returns, having a vote on his (oven ready) deal immediately? Isn't 31st January the legally agreed date Paul? No I don't think it is Dave, the extension was UNTIL the 31st wasn't it? If his deal had sailed through last time, we'd already be out, wouldn't we?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 13, 2019 10:38:06 GMT
Just watching Johnson saying that we will now definitely come out ON January 31st. The bit I don't get, is why do we have to wait until 31st January? He's got a thumping big majority, so what's to stop him, as soon as the HOC returns, having a vote on his (oven ready) deal immediately? Holiday season mate. They're not on holiday until the 31st Jan though, are they?
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Post by foster on Dec 13, 2019 10:40:19 GMT
They're not on holiday until the 31st Jan though, are they? Mate, do I look like Boris Johnsons PA to you? (not that you know what I look like, but it's really not like his PA)
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 13, 2019 10:42:47 GMT
They're not on holiday until the 31st Jan though, are they? Mate, do I look like Boris Johnsons PA to you? (not that you know what I look like, but it's really not like his PA) I'm sure you wouldn't mind a stab at being Jo Swinson's PA ...
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Post by Davef on Dec 13, 2019 10:43:48 GMT
Isn't 31st January the legally agreed date Paul? No I don't think it is Dave, the extension was UNTIL the 31st wasn't it? If his deal had sailed through last time, we'd already be out, wouldn't we? Yes, you're right Paul...I should check before posting. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50205603EU Council President Donald Tusk said what was being offered was a "flextension" - meaning the UK could leave before the deadline if a deal was approved by Parliament.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 13, 2019 10:46:48 GMT
No I don't think it is Dave, the extension was UNTIL the 31st wasn't it? If his deal had sailed through last time, we'd already be out, wouldn't we? Yes, you're right Paul...I should check before posting. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50205603EU Council President Donald Tusk said what was being offered was a "flextension" - meaning the UK could leave before the deadline if a deal was approved by Parliament.
Yeah that's why I asked the question, it's all a bit odd, I've now seen a couple of pundits on TV also saying we'll now come out on the 31st too.
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Post by foster on Dec 13, 2019 10:47:06 GMT
Mate, do I look like Boris Johnsons PA to you? (not that you know what I look like, but it's really not like his PA) I'm sure you wouldn't mind a stab at being Jo Swinson's PA ... Swinson is old news. She had the chance to show off her milky jugs and she blew it. I'm all about Abbott now. There's just something about a woman having two left feet that gives me a raging boner.
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Post by Northy on Dec 13, 2019 11:49:38 GMT
Keep the pressure on Johnson to not go for BRINO
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 13, 2019 11:53:48 GMT
Keep the pressure on Johnson to not go for BRINO She's dead right about keeping the pressure on and level playing fields, unfortunately it's not all over
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 13, 2019 13:06:57 GMT
Just watching Johnson saying that we will now definitely come out ON January 31st. The bit I don't get, is why do we have to wait until 31st January? He's got a thumping big majority, so what's to stop him, as soon as the HOC returns, having a vote on his (oven ready) deal immediately? Aren't there laws in place that parliament has to approve any deal and we can't leave without a deal? Therefore when the HOC sits again they will introduce a new law wiping that away and approving the deal agreed with the EU and implement at the end of the month. There might be some kick back from the Lords which would have to be quashed but it's hard to imagine the Lords will now go against the will of the people. My worry is the government will go very soft when it comes to the trade agreement negotiations and we lose a lot of the benefits of being outside the EU with unfettered trade with the rest of the world where most of our trade is. There is bound to be a downturn from leaving the EU and the government has to get its finger out and quickly establish stronger trading relations with USA, Canada, China and the other BRIC countries, pacific rim countries, etc. As I have repeated ad nauseam, the European parliament* have admitted that over 90% of future world growth will be outside the EU which will now slowly die without the UK. * www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2015-014997-ASW_EN.html?redirect
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 13, 2019 13:13:45 GMT
Just watching Johnson saying that we will now definitely come out ON January 31st. The bit I don't get, is why do we have to wait until 31st January? He's got a thumping big majority, so what's to stop him, as soon as the HOC returns, having a vote on his (oven ready) deal immediately? Aren't there laws in place that parliament has to approve any deal and we can't leave without a deal? Therefore when the HOC sits again they will introduce a new law wiping that away and approving the deal agreed with the EU and implement at the end of the month. There might be some kick back from the Lords which would have to be quashed but it's hard to imagine the Lords will now go against the will of the people. My worry is the government will go very soft when it comes to the trade agreement negotiations and we lose a lot of the benefits of being outside the EU with unfettered trade with the rest of the world where most of our trade is. There is bound to be a downturn from leaving the EU and the government has to get its finger out and quickly establish stronger trading relations with USA, Canada, China and the other BRIC countries, pacific rim countries, etc. As I have repeated ad nauseam, the European parliament* have admitted that over 90% of future world growth will be outside the EU which will now slowly die without the UK. * www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2015-014997-ASW_EN.html?redirectI don't really understand your point Cokey. I said originally that the HOC (when they return) would have to vote on it, the bit I don't understand, is why are people saying that we have to wait until 31st Jan to come out? As far as I can see, we don't have to.
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Post by foster on Dec 13, 2019 13:24:09 GMT
Just watching Johnson saying that we will now definitely come out ON January 31st. The bit I don't get, is why do we have to wait until 31st January? He's got a thumping big majority, so what's to stop him, as soon as the HOC returns, having a vote on his (oven ready) deal immediately? Aren't there laws in place that parliament has to approve any deal and we can't leave without a deal? Therefore when the HOC sits again they will introduce a new law wiping that away and approving the deal agreed with the EU and implement at the end of the month. There might be some kick back from the Lords which would have to be quashed but it's hard to imagine the Lords will now go against the will of the people. My worry is the government will go very soft when it comes to the trade agreement negotiations and we lose a lot of the benefits of being outside the EU with unfettered trade with the rest of the world where most of our trade is. There is bound to be a downturn from leaving the EU and the government has to get its finger out and quickly establish stronger trading relations with USA, Canada, China and the other BRIC countries, pacific rim countries, etc. As I have repeated ad nauseam, the European parliament* have admitted that over 90% of future world growth will be outside the EU which will now slowly die without the UK.* www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2015-014997-ASW_EN.html?redirectYou're referencing something from 2015 based on an 'forecast' for 2020 that is well off the mark. We're not even at a global GDP of 90 trillion, let alone 149 trillion. The EU haven't 'admitted' anything as there is nothing here to admit. It was a simply a forecast based on IMF data at that time. Over 18.5 trillion of that is from the EU, or just over 20%. This means that the EU growth forecast is pretty much spot on while the growth forecast for the rest of the world was greatly overestimated.
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Post by Northy on Dec 13, 2019 13:41:03 GMT
Aren't there laws in place that parliament has to approve any deal and we can't leave without a deal? Therefore when the HOC sits again they will introduce a new law wiping that away and approving the deal agreed with the EU and implement at the end of the month. There might be some kick back from the Lords which would have to be quashed but it's hard to imagine the Lords will now go against the will of the people. My worry is the government will go very soft when it comes to the trade agreement negotiations and we lose a lot of the benefits of being outside the EU with unfettered trade with the rest of the world where most of our trade is. There is bound to be a downturn from leaving the EU and the government has to get its finger out and quickly establish stronger trading relations with USA, Canada, China and the other BRIC countries, pacific rim countries, etc. As I have repeated ad nauseam, the European parliament* have admitted that over 90% of future world growth will be outside the EU which will now slowly die without the UK. * www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2015-014997-ASW_EN.html?redirectI don't really understand your point Cokey. I said originally that the HOC (when they return) would have to vote on it, the bit I don't understand, is why are people saying that we have to wait until 31st Jan to come out? As far as I can see, we don't have to. yes, that was the date of the final day of the extension, can we leave earlier I think
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Post by foster on Dec 13, 2019 13:44:31 GMT
I don't really understand your point Cokey. I said originally that the HOC (when they return) would have to vote on it, the bit I don't understand, is why are people saying that we have to wait until 31st Jan to come out? As far as I can see, we don't have to. yes, that was the date of the final day of the extension, can we leave earlier I think What's the rush? We've waited 3 years already so what's the problem with waiting a couple more months. Patience is a virtue.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 13, 2019 13:45:47 GMT
yes, that was the date of the final day of the extension, can we leave earlier I think What's the rush? We've waited 3 years already so what's the problem with waiting a couple more months. Patience is a virtue. Yet more dither and delay.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 13, 2019 15:41:51 GMT
It's going to happen finally a great day for democracy and the death of the twisted looney far left in mainstream UK politics.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 13, 2019 17:51:02 GMT
I wonder when we are going to find out what the leave vote was for.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 13, 2019 19:10:49 GMT
I wonder when we are going to find out what the leave vote was for. I think the leave vote was to leave the clue is in the word leave.
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Post by raythesailor on Dec 13, 2019 19:28:46 GMT
He /we now have a clear mandate from the people like it or not.
Our negotiations are no longer hampered by the blocking antics of Westminster.
Europe will already have taken note that THIS IS NOW HAPPENING. No more uncertainty, no more playing silly buggers with delaying tactics.
Time to tell Brussels this is what is going to happen instead of standing subserviently pleading. Europe have played politics for to long to make life and Brexit difficult so as not to encourage other dissatisfied nations from taking similar actions as a result of the arrorgance of the ruling elite.
We are coming out. They can live with us if they choose to but they will certainly miss us if they choose not to. A couple of years down the road we will not even notice the difference.
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Post by felonious on Dec 13, 2019 19:52:51 GMT
Just listening to the reaction to last night's results on Northwest tonight. The reporter made an interesting observation that the region had effectively voted 4 times in 4 years for Brexit now and finally it was time to honour the result.
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 13, 2019 20:27:30 GMT
I wonder when we are going to find out what the leave vote was for. I think the leave vote was to leave the clue is in the word leave. Yes but to go where? I wonder if we will know in the next three years.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 13, 2019 20:38:26 GMT
I think the leave vote was to leave the clue is in the word leave. Yes but to go where? I wonder if we will know in the next three years. Nowhere we are leaving the EU that was what the referendum was about, I know it's a long time since the democratic referendum in 2016 but I would assume you would have perhaps remembered our once in a lifetime vote, I also know where I am planning to be in three more years God willing after the Left was crushed. Where are you planning going to ?
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Post by foster on Dec 13, 2019 21:53:43 GMT
Yes but to go where? I wonder if we will know in the next three years. Nowhere we are leaving the EU that was what the referendum was about, I know it's a long time since the democratic referendum in 2016 but I would assume you would have perhaps remembered our once in a lifetime vote, I also know where I am planning to be in three more years God willing after the Left was crushed. Where are you planning going to ? Where you going?
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 13, 2019 22:07:50 GMT
Nowhere we are leaving the EU that was what the referendum was about, I know it's a long time since the democratic referendum in 2016 but I would assume you would have perhaps remembered our once in a lifetime vote, I also know where I am planning to be in three more years God willing after the Left was crushed. Where are you planning going to ? Where you going? Belgium see you in a bit duck, only going for a short break waffles and beer, great day for UK democracy mate, let's get Brexit done
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Post by foster on Dec 13, 2019 22:12:56 GMT
Belgium see you in a bit duck, only going for a short break waffles and beer, great day for UK democracy mate, let's get Brexit done when and where?...
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 13, 2019 22:37:07 GMT
Belgium see you in a bit duck, only going for a short break waffles and beer, great day for UK democracy mate, let's get Brexit done when and where?... Undecided as yet never been any suggestions for good waffling and strong Belgium beer ?, maybe a bit of sightseeing for the WASPI, looking for the weather to warm up a bit suffer as I from arthritis what would be the best month weather wise ?
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Post by foster on Dec 13, 2019 23:51:02 GMT
Undecided as yet never been any suggestions for good waffling and strong Belgium beer ?, maybe a bit of sightseeing for the WASPI, looking for the weather to warm up a bit suffer as I from arthritis what would be the best month weather wise ? The best month is as in the UK. The weather is pretty much the same. I'd wait for spring in that case. Best cities are Gent, Brugge, Antwerp and Brussels. I wouldn't bother with anywhere else unless you fancy Spa which has a bunch of nice villages with traditional beer. In any case, if you fancy meeting up for a real beer with a real brexit supporter then let me know.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 14, 2019 0:10:14 GMT
He /we now have a clear mandate from the people like it or not. Our negotiations are no longer hampered by the blocking antics of Westminster. Europe will already have taken note that THIS IS NOW HAPPENING. No more uncertainty, no more playing silly buggers with delaying tactics. Time to tell Brussels this is what is going to happen instead of standing subserviently pleading. Europe have played politics for to long to make life and Brexit difficult so as not to encourage other dissatisfied nations from taking similar actions as a result of the arrorgance of the ruling elite. We are coming out. They can live with us if they choose to but they will certainly miss us if they choose not to. A couple of years down the road we will not even notice the difference. Surely we all want to notice the difference, otherwise what's the point?
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 14, 2019 8:03:49 GMT
He /we now have a clear mandate from the people like it or not. Our negotiations are no longer hampered by the blocking antics of Westminster. Europe will already have taken note that THIS IS NOW HAPPENING. No more uncertainty, no more playing silly buggers with delaying tactics. Time to tell Brussels this is what is going to happen instead of standing subserviently pleading. Europe have played politics for to long to make life and Brexit difficult so as not to encourage other dissatisfied nations from taking similar actions as a result of the arrorgance of the ruling elite. We are coming out. They can live with us if they choose to but they will certainly miss us if they choose not to. A couple of years down the road we will not even notice the difference. Surely we all want to notice the difference, otherwise what's the point? You will see a difference - your passport will be blue. What more could you possibly want.
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